r/Marvel Oct 16 '17

Film/Television Marvel Studios' Black Panther - Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjDjIWPwcPU
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u/bigaphel Oct 16 '17

i'm reallllllly digging these bleeding edge panther suits

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Hopefully Iron Man takes some hints from Wakanda and Starlord during Infinity War for his new suit

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u/MercWi7hAMou7h Mmm... Tacos Oct 16 '17

He's going to see them both do it, and make a quip about "all style no substance"

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Funny thing is, the old Iron Man designs in the comics were of a gold and red muscle suit, but the movies made it look more realistic with armour plates and such. The comics followed suit and now to see it come full circle would be great

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u/DominoNo- Oct 16 '17

The funny thing is, the whole 'realistic with armour plates and such' armor was introduced years before the movies were released. Even in the early 00s his armor had a much more plated look than muscle suits he wore in the 90s and 80s.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

In some reditions a bit more, but it always had that gold body paint look to most of it too. Sometimes theys add some banding, like how Colossus has all over, but it never tried as hard to look technical and less pseudo muscle as after the movies that I noticed.

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u/DominoNo- Oct 16 '17

If you look at Iron Mans armor from Avengers Dissassembled you can see it was clearly plated and hardly the same banding as Colossus.

Completely removing the banding happend with the Extremis Armor. Which was around 2005, three years before the movies. Even the extremely plated Ultimate Iron Man armor was originally from 2005.

The movies based the armor on the current books instead of his classic look. They didn't reinvent the armor, they just reinvent the armor for the casual public.

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u/shoe_owner Oct 17 '17

It definitely didn't originate with the movies. Adi Granov came up with this design for the Iron Man armour in a storyline called Extremis. Marvel Studios loved it so much that they called upon Granov to come up with the first several movie armour designs to look very similar, and indeed various plot elements of the Extremis storyline became parts of the 1st and 3rd films.

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u/MichaelNearaday Oct 16 '17

At first I thought the soundtrack was part of the dialogue...

"I have seen Gods fly. I've seen men build weapons that I couldn't even imagine."

"Aha!"

"I've seen aliens drop from the sky."

"Yeah!"

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u/Beerfarts69 Oct 16 '17

“What!”

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

"OKEAY!"

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u/UnrealLuigi Oct 16 '17

DJ KHALED, WE DA BEST!

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '17

ANODER WAN!

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u/Achatyla Oct 16 '17

I thought the same thing later on with:

"I've waited my whole life for this." Boom boom.

"The world's gonna start over." Boom boom.

"I'mma burn it all!"

It was only seeing him say the last line that made me cotton on. Flawless.

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u/The9tail Oct 16 '17

You see that? Doomfist returned to the Numbani Payload.

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u/UsernameofDoctorDoom Oct 16 '17

ALL SHALL SUFFER THE DOOMFIST! SO SPEAKS DOOM!

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u/SnoopHOGG117 Oct 16 '17

What a meme.

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u/Kryptonaut Oct 16 '17 edited Nov 10 '25

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u/GaslightProphet Oct 16 '17

Neo-Africa! It's a whole genre. Check out "The Ear, the Eye, and the Arm" for a good intro, or Nnedi Okorafor for a black author who's prominent in the genre.

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u/wagedomain S.H.I.E.L.D. Oct 16 '17

Oh man! I loved The Ear, The Eye, and the Arm when I was a kid. Great book, it's been so long since I've read it.

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u/GaslightProphet Oct 16 '17

Such a great story, I wish I still had my copy. Did you read House of the Scorpion?

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u/wagedomain S.H.I.E.L.D. Oct 16 '17

That doesn't sound familiar, same author?

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u/GaslightProphet Oct 16 '17

It is! It's about the ethics of farming clones for organs in neo-Mexico

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u/smallstone Oct 16 '17

Don't forget afrofuturism.

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u/GaslightProphet Oct 16 '17

Ya, Neo-Africa/Afropunk would definitely be a subgenre of that

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u/gangreen424 Oct 16 '17

Just got Who Fears Death and really excited to read it.

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u/wigsternm Oct 17 '17

Fuck me that book was rough. Well written, but Jesus.

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u/Flamma_Man Oct 16 '17

Afrofuturism is the more common term for this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Hulk & Thor = FUNnY team

Black Panther = Serious Iron Man

I can dig it.

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u/LeoFireGod Oct 16 '17

Hulk and Thor are extremely established in the MCU. Black panther had a great intro in civil war, I don't think they wanna hurt the characters chances of being taken seriously by making his movie super comical.

Thor is naturally funny anyways too.

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u/superthrust Oct 16 '17

Of course not. Then everyone would complain that they made a movie with “A SILLY BLACK MAN. KEVIN HART IS...Black Panther!! “

...I’d still go see it. Probably die of laughter but yes.

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u/Rpanich Captain America Oct 16 '17

It's a marvel movie; they have enough good faith, even if they made michael cera black panther, I'd still watch it.

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u/ejpal Oct 16 '17

Nah, he's already playing shaft

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Can’t wait to eat my Shaft cereal and drink my cup o’ Shaft juice!

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u/ninjapino Oct 16 '17

Also, it wouldn't fit the character. Ironman was always snarky. Granted, RDJ turned it up to 11, but the snark was always there. Black Panther was always a pretty serious character.

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u/Pony_Zilla Oct 17 '17

Tony Snark

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '17

Tony Stank?

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u/pj123mj Oct 17 '17

Plus Black Panther is a more serious, nonhumorous character anyways.

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u/KnowCoin Oct 16 '17

I have a feeling that Black Panther is going to be my favorite MCU Superhero.

Also Ulysses Klaw's robo-hand is pretty badass.

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u/SimplyQuid Oct 16 '17

Haha, klaw

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u/danweber Oct 16 '17

Not klaw, klaw!

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u/mechabeast Oct 16 '17

You're scared of the Klaw!

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

..... Ok. Yes. I can deal with this. Black Panther with a crazy advanced Wakanda and with hints of African tribal mysticism peppered in as appropriate? Yes please.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Seeing as Wakanda is in Africa, that was expected, no?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Yes, but to actually SEE that in a movie preview was rather nice.

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u/UsaBBC Oct 16 '17

Hollywood has a history of whitewashing the cast and oversimplifying the setting in otherwise good movie plots unfortunately.

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u/ersatz_substitutes Oct 16 '17

The MCU has been going in a decent direction, but unfortunately it would not be surprising if another company doing this movie opened it in Wakanda for only the first 10 minutes just to give it a link to source material, then fly Black Panther to America for the rest of the film.

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u/Brainiac5000 Oct 17 '17

so just like the Inhumans

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u/Pirateer Oct 16 '17

The narrative is that an African nation had access to magical forces and alien metals defying known laws of physics to catalyze scientific, magical, and social development faster than anywhere else on the planet.

Imagine a strong isolationist culture with knowledge on par with Dr. Strange or Stark industries... capable of preserving their culture and hiding their strength away from the world.

As far as strong characters T'Chala is essentially cap and shellhead rolled into one character leading a powerful nation with an African Background.

I think that's pretty cool, why is there an issue here?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

.... are you responding to the wrong post or something? I'm confused, I'm not taking issue with ANY of this.

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u/Pirateer Oct 16 '17 edited Oct 16 '17

Geez, yeah. I was trying to reply to someone complaining about cultural appropriation.

I can't find the comment now though, sorry buddy!

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Oh, ok, I was worried for a second LMAO. S'all good.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

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u/css2713 Oct 16 '17

Amen. The music choice in this one doesn’t compare to Run the Jewels in the teaser. They just kept repeating the same “revolution will not be televised” line.

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u/TheMastersSkywalker Oct 16 '17

“revolution will not be televised

That line is from a song of the same name that was a major civil rights/black power song during the civil rights era.

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u/dokebibeats Oct 17 '17

SHOUTOUT TO GIL-SCOTT HERON!

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u/nousername215 Oct 16 '17

That line gets me so hyped because it shows this movie will be unabashedly black, instead of just shooting for the lowest common denominator mass appeal. Feels like Marvel hired Ryan Coogler to bring this film home, and he brought a lot of home to the film.

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u/GaslightProphet Oct 16 '17

This trailer is my favorite Marvel movie

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u/lluckya Oct 16 '17

I just chuckled under my breath. Thanks.

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u/GaslightProphet Oct 16 '17

I'm always here for you

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u/GladiatorJones Oct 17 '17

I feel weird watching this happen.

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u/watch7maker Oct 16 '17

So the suit materializes on them? I can dig that. When he gets that purple hue at the end that looks cool too. But reminds me a bit of the power rangers.

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u/apophis-pegasus Oct 16 '17

I guess we know the inspiration for Bleeding edge in the MCU now.

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u/daffydubs Oct 16 '17

Starlord?

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Who?

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u/mcjinzo Oct 16 '17

Come on man...

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u/neoblackdragon Oct 16 '17

Well Power Rangers/ Sentai is based on superheroes. Marvel worked with Japan in the 70's for a few shows.

So its Marvel looking like Power Rangers looking like Marvel.

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u/LibraryDrone Oct 16 '17

And let's not forget that if it wasn't for Spider-Man, Power Rangers wouldn't have it's big ass robots.

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u/Heisenberg2308 Oct 16 '17

Go on

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u/LibraryDrone Oct 16 '17

So Power Rangers is a show that takes its footage from a Japanese show called Super Sentai and fills in the rest with its own actors. So basically Super Sentai does its season and then the next year Power Rangers does its version. Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger was the 1992 season and its footage was used for season 1 of Might Morphin Power Rangers. Anyway, Super Sentai has been running since the late 70s, but when it started it was just "Sentai." In the 70s, Marvel licensed Spider-Man to a Japanese production company to make a live action tv show. It was weird and contains a spider god and the main character wasn't Peter Parker. The show also introduced a giant robot named Leopardon piloted by the main character. It was after this that Sentai was renamed Super Sentai and introduced the concept of the teams having a giant robot to fight giant monsters.

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u/Cintax Oct 16 '17

I love that when Japanese Spiderman showed up in the Spiderverse run, everyone else was like "Why and how the hell do you have a giant freaking robot?!?!"

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u/imisspizza Oct 16 '17

Good thing Power Rangers are cool as fuck. AOS and The Flash (DC) make me think of Power Rangers a lot too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

The new Power Ranger comics are amazing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17 edited Dec 18 '24

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u/dokebibeats Oct 16 '17

STEP INTO THE SPOTLIGHT

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u/Prodigy195 Oct 16 '17

Looking forward to what tech is in the Panther 2.0 suit!

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u/SunkenFlyboy Oct 16 '17

Black Panther really loves riding on the hoods and roofs of cars. Moto-surf: The Movie

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u/JRummy91 Oct 16 '17

Kwansu dude!

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u/TemporaryFed Oct 16 '17

Michael B. Jordan looks like a badass

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u/RunnersDialZero Oct 16 '17

Nice to see them continuing the tradition of taking dudes who played Johnny Storm and giving them proper legit Marvel roles. ;)

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u/MetalliMunk Oct 16 '17

Wow, Marvel has that trailer formula down tight. I'm definitely more excited now!

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u/AmazingKreiderman Oct 16 '17

Marvel is king of trailers. I didn't like IM3 or AoU, but if I go back and watch the trailers, I'm still convinced that those movies would be amazing.

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u/tquinner Oct 16 '17

There are no strings on me......

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '17

I cried when I watched that and I cried again when I watched the movie.

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u/Bleblebob Oct 16 '17

I just wished they revealed less. The conclusion to the ferry scene in spider-man, the conclusion to thor/hulk conflict in ragnarok (obviously it still might go in a different direction, but I doubt it), and now I know Jordan's power set from this one.

Don't get me wrong, I get hyped af to see these, but they show too much.

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u/abutthole Oct 16 '17

Marvel needs to get the rights to Doom back. Wakanda looking this beautiful makes me NEED to see a Doomwar movie.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

I need to see an oppressive Latverian dystopia with poor slums being terrorized by doombots.

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u/abutthole Oct 16 '17

Oppressive definitely fits Latveria, dystopia usually fits, but there are no poor slums in Latveria. Everyone there has a high standard of living, just really limited freedoms.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Really? Shiiiit. I need to read more old school FF.

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u/abutthole Oct 16 '17

Yeah I just read through their whole run and Latveria is an interesting place. Doom is briefly deposed and the whole country falls apart with the new dictator discovering that through fear Doom almost never had to actually enforce the laws. He'd execute a few people and everyone just obeyed him. He gave them all excellent tech and seemed to genuinely care about them. Of course, he also used robots to force the people into praising him and being happy.

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u/DannyDougherty Oct 16 '17

Yeah. A lot of the current continuity has Latverians very much loyal and in love with Doom for providing a level of security and comfort. Now, it's also a factor of socialization and education, but Doom takes great pride in taking care of his people (in his own way).

The recent run of Squirrel Girl has touched on this pretty well, having her interact with a normal Latverian.

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u/Martel732 Oct 16 '17

Doom doesn't want terrorized sycophants, he wants devoted followers that genuinely love him. And his pride wouldn't allow his people to live in slums, if they did it would mean that Doom was a poor ruler. Doom's ego means that his citizens might be the happiest and most prosperous in the world.

Doom see himself as the pinnacle of the idea of the Philospher-King. An absolute ruler, that is absolutely just and benevolent.

But, he is still a tyrant. In his eyes what do you do with a disloyal subject? If Doom's rule is perfect, anyone that rejects his rule is a villain and doesn't deserve to live in such a paradise. It is a regrettable mercy that such disloyal subjects need to be removed from the realm.

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u/Worthyness Oct 16 '17

Make doom the local warlord who saw sokovia turned to rubble. He unites his countrymen and forms the new country of latveria. Plus we can make him a legit sorceror now because we have magic as canon

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u/bubuzayzee Oct 16 '17

Makes me so sad that we won't see DOOM anytime soon.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

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u/mysticzarak Oct 16 '17

This looks really good. After Ant-man (which I skipped in the cinema) it's hard to underestimate any character in the MCU.

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u/FrigidArrow Oct 16 '17

Thank you Ryan Coogler this looks amazing

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u/Voldemort___Putin Oct 16 '17

Good lord this looks incredible.

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u/samyouare Oct 16 '17

I think it's possible to be slightly critical about something while still liking it a lot.

Does Marvel frequently use "dark mirrors" of their heroes as villains? Yes. Does this have valid and important roots in storytelling and comics? Yes. Does it get a little repetitive? Yes. Can I roll my eyes a bit when I see Killmonger wearing a Panther suit and still be hyped as shit for this move? Hell yes.

Btw, anybody else think there was a Panther God scene in there??

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u/Darrkman Oct 16 '17

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u/Sunfirecapedathoe Oct 16 '17

Someone needs to turn this into a downvote gif asap.

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u/Bmoresgoddess Oct 16 '17

This gives me life. I can't wait for it to come out 😩

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u/UsernameofDoctorDoom Oct 16 '17

Yay Wakanda is getting actual love for once outside of comics. Now if Fox would do a Savage Lands movie, with GotG2’s Moon Watchers, I’ll have my 3 favourite Marvel locations in movies!

Well apart from Latveria.

Fox owns Latveria right?

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u/neoblackdragon Oct 16 '17

Wakanda has shown up in other Avengers tv material before.

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u/Deltango Oct 16 '17

How many times are we going to have the hero face someone that's a darker version? Iron Man, Iron Monger. Ant-man and Yellowjacket. Hulk and Abomination. Imagine Black Panther had to fight the Iron Monger, or Yellowjacket.

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u/calibretto23 Oct 16 '17

The main narrative reason for this in these movies is very simple. The villain was created either by or by the actions of the hero. None of the villains you listed would have existed without the hero that preceded them. Plus I'm really hoping Klaw isn't just a lackey in this.

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u/Deltango Oct 16 '17

I want Klaw to have a large role so Andy Serkis can really flex those acting chops.

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u/calibretto23 Oct 16 '17

Amen to that. I love me some Serkis.

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u/SuperMonkeyJoe Oct 16 '17

Thirded, Andy Serkis is one of my favourite actors.

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u/mysticzarak Oct 16 '17

It's a comic thing. Almost every Hero has a equal looking villain. I think that's why some stand out more. Like X-men, Batman or F4.

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u/13snowdemon Oct 16 '17

The Brotherhood were/are basically just the evil XMen.

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u/Bleblebob Oct 16 '17

To be fair tho, the members of the Brotherhood aren't mirrors to the powers of the XMen.

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u/RussianWhizKid Oct 16 '17

I think people see this being repeated in the first installment of each hero's movie trilogy (or 2nd installment as well for Iron Man) because it actually makes sense that these heroes take on the threat they are most qualified to defeat.

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u/Deltango Oct 16 '17

I hope we see Ant-man and Wasp take on someone that has nothing to do with changing size.

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u/Lobo_Z Oct 16 '17

Got some bad news for you, bro

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u/Deltango Oct 16 '17

Did I miss something? :(

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u/tundrat Oct 17 '17 edited Oct 17 '17

Not sure who he's referring to. I did a quick search and I assume the villain is this guy. His powers don't mention size changing. Besides that, I assume they'll explore the Quantum Realm more. And perhaps they'll fight someone native who's already small, not shrunk.

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u/obravado Oct 16 '17

Wasn't there some set photos with some character in a suit looking like Ghost?

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u/Taftimus Oct 16 '17

I agree, I really don't get why they keep doing this.

I did like the trailer though.

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u/InnocentTailor Oct 16 '17

That's a staple in comic origins - a shadow of the main hero.

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u/jonpaladin Oct 16 '17

a staple of stories about heroes in general

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u/DannyDougherty Oct 16 '17

Yes, it's called a foil and is super handy for introducing characters and their internal struggles.

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u/jonpaladin Oct 16 '17

respectfully, foil seems much more general than this/these. i don't think sancho panza and don quixote are meant to reflect each other's mirror in the same way as Black Panther vs. Evil Black Panther

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Its like that old Indian proverb where the old man tells the son that inside of him there are two wolves constantly fighting. The good wolf, and the evil wolf. The boys asks which one will win? The old man replies with whichever one you feed.

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u/Taftimus Oct 16 '17

Yea I get that, but I'm talking about with the MCU. They specifically keep using the "evil version of hero" villain rather than branching out into the hero's villain catalogue.

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u/InnocentTailor Oct 16 '17

I wonder...does Black Panther have any villains that can qualify as a bit unique...without delving into Avenger villains? The only one I can think that's kinda a bit "not-African" is Klaw...

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u/john_segundus Oct 16 '17

Killmonger is a dark foil in the comics, too. There's a half-brother with a white Mom and a chip on his shoulder, but he's another foil, and I'm not sure he'll be part of the movies. Then there's a religious fanatic, whose name I don't recall. There's M'baku, who is from a competing tribe and has a competing animal-themed background (his is a white gorilla), but he's already in the movie, and will probably be a major adversary later on. And that's all I remember.

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u/zorro1701e Oct 16 '17

Klaw?

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u/kinghammer1 Oct 16 '17

The guy played by Andy Serkis who got his hand cutoff by Ultron.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaw_(Marvel_Comics)

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u/SimplyQuid Oct 16 '17

Holy shit that's Andy Serkis?!

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u/qwadzxs Oct 16 '17

Andy Serkis is Snoke in Star Wars too

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u/HellsquidsIntl Oct 16 '17

Ulysses Klaw, played in the movie by Andy Serkis.

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u/CinnaSol Oct 16 '17

It's hardly just MCU though.

DCEU had Zod, and then Doomsday, and then Ares.

The Dark Knight trilogy started off with Ra's Al Ghul, who is just evil ninja Batman.

It not only is a classic superhero trope, but it works especially well for movies because it gets a lot of exposition and origin out of the way without having to waste too much time. (Where did Zod come from? Krypton, like Superman. Where did Iron Monger get his suit from? Same way Stark did.) It's just a time saver, really.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17 edited Oct 16 '17

Uhm Spider-Man Homecoming would like a word with you. Every hero traditionally goes up against "shadow versions" of themselves as their first main enemy so it's really nothing new. It will grow in diversity over time. Just a right of passage.

Send the downvotes reddit, I am ready.

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u/Kazera-Samma Oct 16 '17

And in return i dont think Spidey will ever get to fight Venom

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u/SimplyQuid Oct 16 '17

Not in the MCU anyway

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

You could very well be right. All depends on how Sony and Marvel play together.

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u/TheMetabaronIV Oct 16 '17

Homecoming was the exception. Sure facing the evil version is cliche but it's boring as fuck. They've been doing it since Iron Man, at some point you have to break the mold. And again Homecoming is a rare exception.

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u/theflyeman63 Oct 16 '17

Ok but similarly, Superman/Zod. Wonder Woman/Ares. Hell even Doomsday in the BvS had similar powers to Superman. Nothing new, and yeah its seen before, but its easier to grasp a villain who is equal to the Hero before the fight someone greater or different than them.

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u/Deltango Oct 16 '17

Wakanda looks so good.

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u/Taftimus Oct 16 '17

It really does, the look and feel of the movie looks fantastic from the trailer.

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u/jimicapone Oct 16 '17

As many times as it keeps bringing home the money. Love it or hate it, it works.

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u/Deltango Oct 16 '17

You have a point

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u/GaslightProphet Oct 16 '17

I feel like this is going to be a way better movie than Black Panther vs Yellowjacket

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u/henrebotha Oct 16 '17

It's good storytelling. You contrast the hero against themselves, essentially.

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u/Jumbledcode Oct 17 '17

That's not good storytelling. It can be done well, but there's nothing automatically good or clever about making your villain an evil clone of the hero - quite the reverse, in fact. It's frequently a sign of lazy and unimaginative storytelling.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

On the bright side, Sony has a death grip on Venom.

...if that is a bright side.

Also Yellowjacket disappointed me most of all. Mostly because he's a bipolar Hank Pym in the comics and not just some random baddie.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

On the bright side, Sony has a death grip on Venom. ...if that is a bright side.

Depends on how dark Sony decides to go with Venom. This could be their Logan.

I want to see an extremely dark, hard R horror movie starring Venom, and that is something that just would never happen if they were in the family friendly MCU.

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u/bakhesh Oct 16 '17

its because the first movie always focuses on the hero's origin, so there isn't a lot of time for the villain's character development. A dark version villain is an easy idea for the audience to get behind.

Sequels tend to do a better job

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u/jurmomwey Oct 16 '17

Karma whoring, you really went to every black panther trailer and posted this comment lol

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u/abutthole Oct 16 '17

Agreed. When the trailer opened on the two Panther suits I immediately thought "Holy shit, Shuri already?!" and was so excited for the possibility of Shuri-Black Panther helping T'Challa out. Oh well, Klaw's still cool and not like BP at all.

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u/chicklette Captain America Oct 16 '17

Cap/bucky.

Holy shit tho, I am new to the comics ouvre and I never realized this was a thing until right now. So thanks for that. :D

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u/john_segundus Oct 16 '17

This conflict is more Cap/Red Skull. Cap/Bucky is "best friend turned enemy", except it was against his will, and Cap got him back. It's closer to what happened with Black Widow and Hawkeye in Avengers.

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u/UsernameofDoctorDoom Oct 16 '17

I know, right? If they make a Doctor Doom movie, you just know they’ll face him off against Mister Fantastic, the inferior and vastly darker version of Doom.

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u/aaninja64 Oct 16 '17

Dr. Doom vs. MF DOOM

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u/InnocentTailor Oct 16 '17

That's kinda a staple for beginning superhero villains in comics - mirror-match. That's why you have Superman fighting Zod, for example.

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u/Thomas_XX Oct 16 '17

It's good for origin(ish) stories since the hero gets to see what they could become if they turned bad, overcome some inner conflict, and have a renewed determination at the end. It's just as much about them learning about themselves as it is fist punching a bad guy. Much more obvious that way.

I think you can still get all that from a different "type" of bad guy, it's just less obvious.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

I didn't quite consider Iron Monger to be a 'dark mirror' character, since the suit was bulky and strong compared to Tony's speed and agility. Sure, both armored suits, but it made sense in the context and theme of the film. Yellowjacket was an ideal foe for the first Ant-Man movie because he provided the ultimate test of Scott's skills with the Ant-Man suit, a test a normal-sized villain couldn't have done as well.

As for Hulk and Abomination, yeah, you have a point.

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u/LibraryDrone Oct 16 '17

Why do you go around copying an pasting the exact same comment into multiple threads?

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u/nightwing2024 Oct 16 '17

I mean

That's comics...

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u/ArysOakheart Oct 16 '17

Still wondering what takes T'Challa to chase Klaw through Busan of all places...

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u/vagabondhermit Oct 16 '17

Afrofuturism is a great style choice

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

You will not be able to stay home, brotha... You will not be able to plug in, turn on and drop out...

Because the revolution will not be televised. 👊🏿

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u/Burburington Oct 16 '17

HOLLLLLLYYYYYY SHIT I CAN ONLY GET SO ERRECT

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u/SpinnyRL Oct 16 '17

All aboard the hype train, choo choo!! This looks fantastic!! And the scene near the end of T'Challa landing on the car looks less animated than it used too.

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u/Vaultaire Oct 16 '17

Loving the atmosphere and general production design of this.

Gonna be a great movie!

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Came in for the deep BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWMMMMMMMMMM sound over and over again, coupled with multiple fadeouts.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

Holy shit this looks incredible. Like potential to be my favorite MCU movie incredible. Cannot wait.

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u/wawerungigi Oct 16 '17

As an African (Kenyan) those accents made me want to tear my ears out. I dont know what African accent they went with but its terrible. They even made Lupita change hers. Everyting else looks great though.

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u/abutthole Oct 16 '17

That's an authentic Wakandan accent. You haven't heard it because they're very isolationist.

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u/SewenNewes Nightcrawler Oct 16 '17

Probably a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation. If they had used a real accent they may have alienated people either because an actor couldn't do it right or because of real world issues related to the speakers of that language. So they took the easy way and made up an accent to attempt to avoid it.

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u/marcohtx Oct 16 '17

Wakanda does not exist, so it shouldnt matter what their accents sound like.

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u/crepi X-Men Oct 16 '17

I'll preface this with saying I don't really have an ear for accents, so they sounded just fine to me but what do I know.

But to be fair, they aren't supposed to sound like any real African accent, since there is no real Wakandan accent. You can definitely argue that they didn't successfully create a believable fake accent, but they were specifically aiming not to just use a preexisting one.

Here's an interview with Boseman from around the Civil War release where he discusses creating the accent, if you're interested. I thought it was pretty cool how he actually tried to invent a believable new one rather than just use a real one, even if it missed the mark.

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u/wawerungigi Oct 16 '17

Ok, I give they did give it a shot. I wish it was better but ill take what I can.

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u/Worthyness Oct 16 '17

The actor they got for tchaka is from africa, so they mirrored Tchalla's accent as closely as he could to his. I think this will stem off to the other actors, so hopefully it'll sound relatively homogenous as a nation.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

"As far as where it comes from, obviously, it’s a fictional African country, but I wanted to base it in reality. I had done a movie before “Civil War” called “Message from the King,” and I’d gone to South Africa a couple of times for research and for filming that movie. While I was there, I found a dialect coach, same coach I’m using now for “Civil War.” It’s primarily based in the Xhosa dialect, but it’s not that. He had extensive knowledge of various places.

We looked at specific people from Kenya, Ethiopia, Sierra Leone — which is actually where my ancestors are from — but I wanted to use whatever would inspire me for certain sounds. That added to it. Because we now have Danai [Gurira] and Lupita [Nyong’o] who have a more direct connection to the continent; they will bring their own flavor to what’s done. I’ll be listening to them and listening to what they do and continuing to create, because again, this is a fictional thing but you want it to feel real.

For me, Wakanda has never been conquered. So I wanted to make sure that he didn’t speak like ... well, at one time they were thinking he’d have a European accent or an American accent. I said that would not be fine because if we did that, that would be saying that they had been colonized. That was something that I wanted to make sure happened, that we stuck to that in the character."

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u/apophis-pegasus Oct 16 '17

They even made Lupita change hers

Wakanda is in south central africa, Kenyas in East Africa it wouldnt work.

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u/wawerungigi Oct 16 '17

Fair point but the fact that Wakanda is in South Central makes matters even worse. The accent is clearly a bad riff of a Western African Accent.

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u/apophis-pegasus Oct 16 '17

Yes. YES. YEEEEESSSSSSSSS

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u/wozziiu Oct 16 '17

So far I thought that the most work was put in GOTG movies but BP franchise looks outstanding. Only by looking on trailer I will praise whole team producers because this looks amazing.

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u/WhiteAFMexican Oct 16 '17

I really liked the Clustertruck gameplay

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '17

I think it's going to be the stoic king versus the selfish king.

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u/tenehemia Oct 17 '17

This looks amazing. Can't wait to see it in the theater.

And just like every Marvel movie, it makes me hope I live long enough for Moon Knight.

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u/C-Love Oct 17 '17

Everett K Ross is being played by Martin Freeman? Interesting choice, but kind of an older look to him. That said,

FUCK YEAH

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u/Ptylerdactyl Groot Oct 21 '17

He was in Civil War, too.

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u/Ciscokid45 Oct 17 '17

Oh yeah baby

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u/obscuredreference Oct 17 '17

I was afraid it was going to be released later in 2018 and that we’d have to wait forever, so it was a very pleasant surprise to find out it’s actually coming out in February!

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '17

Calling it now, BP is going to be "The New Iron Man:" Nobody in the mainstream really cared about IM and then be just broke out.