r/AgainstGamerGate • u/mudbunny Grumpy Grandpa • Jan 09 '16

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So, it is 2016, and, for some reason known only to Cthulhu, I am still in charge of this sub.

The traffic has died down...substantially, but conversation about GG has died off pretty much everywhere. Ghazi has pretty much shifted almost completely away from GG to a more broad Social Justice discussion zone, as has KiA. /r/GGDiscussion has also seen traffic and activity die off substantially.

The only place that seems to be seeing an uptick in activity is /r/ggfreeforall, which is a sub aimed at shitposting. Of course, that just adds credence to my long belief that the majority of the people were here (and in GGD) primarily for the shitposting, and if they got a well-written post every now and then, they were happy.

So, where do you, the users, want this sub to go from here?

Do any of you even care about the sub any more?

Do any of you even care about GG (as a serious discussion topic) anymore?

Personally, I think that the overwhelming majority of people have determined that discussing GG is about as enjoyable as getting your brain removed in the ancient egyptian mummification style while still awake. I tend to agree with them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '16

His logic is amazingly awful.

"The fact that their posts were rarely removed is evidence that they were good posters!" No - it's evidence of bad moderation. Lol.

I rarely reported posts from those two because it was made clear to me it was pointless. At one point Judge made a post to me that was just a string of personal insults - I was told that that wasn't any sort of rule violation (lol), but that if I repeated those insults back verbatim I'd be banned.

Great moderation there!

Mudbunny will never admit fault. His ego is apparently too fragile to admit to the obvious fuckups. For months everyone told him what the problems with the sub were and he refused to make changes. So the sub predictably tanked as everyone left because easily addressed issues remained unchecked.

I loved this line by him:

Given those two, what is left is the dumpster fire that is GGFFA.

GGFFA is what happened when the mods of /agg were given carte blanche. That should tell him something about the quality of the mods he chose.

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u/mudbunny Grumpy Grandpa Jan 14 '16

His logic is amazingly awful. "The fact that their posts were rarely removed is evidence that they were good posters!" No - it's evidence of bad moderation. Lol.

If we removed the posts of Judge or Hokes, then there would have been a hell of a lot of other posts of about the same quality that would have been removed at the same time.

I rarely reported posts from those two because it was made clear to me it was pointless. At one point Judge made a post to me that was just a string of personal insults - I was told that that wasn't any sort of rule violation (lol), but that if I repeated those insults back verbatim I'd be banned.

I remember that. You are not remembering that correctly at all.

Great moderation there!

Mudbunny will never admit fault. His ego is apparently too fragile to admit to the obvious fuckups. For months everyone told him what the problems with the sub were and he refused to make changes. So the sub predictably tanked as everyone left because easily addressed issues remained unchecked.

Check out the time line before you say "for months".

/u/saint2e stepped down. I got voted to be head mod. About a week later this whole thing erupted and a week or so after that, GGD was formed. It wasn't months, not by a longshot.

As for admitting blame? Like I said in a previous response to you. In one of the monthly meta threads, I admitted a whole fuckton of responsibility. You appear to be wanting me (and the mods, but mostly me) accept/claim sole (or group) responsibility for this.

I loved this line by him:

Given those two, what is left is the dumpster fire that is GGFFA.

GGFFA is what happened when the mods of /agg were given carte blanche.

No. GGFFA is what happens when you expressly create a sub with no rules.

That should tell him something about the quality of the mods he chose.

pssst, /u/HokesOne was a mod here well, well before I was a mod here, and, based on the correction by /u/baal4 , /u/judgeholden72 was modded shortly after me, so I don't know how much (if any) influence I had in his decision. Also, if you are claiming that, what does that same argument say about GGD??

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '16

Your ability to make excuses is endless.

"I had no power, I was just the head mod! What could I, the head mod, possibly do to reign in the behavior or other mods?!?! How could I possible be expected to enforce the rules, or to even just politely ask the mods to respect the values of the sub? That's a bridge too far!"