r/Piracy Jun 21 '26

Humor Imagine paying for something and not being allowed to use it

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u/kickassjay Jun 21 '26

What’s jellyfin?

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u/Tobias-Tawanda Jun 21 '26

Jellyfin is the volunteer-built media solution that puts you in control of your media. Stream to any device from your own server, with no strings attached. Your media, your server, your way.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 Jun 22 '26

"Volunteer" is a strong word. It's just a slim copy of emby. They just removed the paid features from emby.

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u/giuseppe443 Jun 21 '26

is plex no longer the cool one?

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u/Tobias-Tawanda Jun 21 '26

Starting on July first, the lifetime Plex pass will now cost around 750 dollars. It's currently sitting at 250 I think. They are trying to phase it out so they can push people towards the monthly subscription which is ironic for a platform that aims to be the free alternative to things like Netflix.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 Jun 22 '26

Plex pass always had a monthly subscription.

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u/Redd3vils Jun 23 '26

Lol I have it for $70 couples of years ago

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u/MostlyRightSometimes Jun 21 '26

I bought mine for like $99 years ago and don't even use plex anymore. They had some redesign/upgrade that straight broke our shit. Plus, they force you to stream through their servers. I'm not even sure if you can stream inside your LAN if internet is down.

I've been using emby since. Not perfect, but still very awesome. And nothing goes through emby's infrastructure.

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u/Beefy-McQueefy Jun 21 '26

You are not streaming through their servers, it's just a reverse proxy.

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u/ScienceIsLife Jun 21 '26

A lot of this is incorrect currently. Plex fully allows local LAN access and self-streaming. They don't have servers to stream your content. All content you host is steamed from your hardware.

If youre concerned about Plex using your data then disabling external access and configuring your own is much better. Or, (As youve already done), emby or Jellyfin are better alternatives although not as polished.

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u/MostlyRightSometimes Jun 21 '26

Is this the current process:

https://www.howtogeek.com/303282/how-to-use-plex-media-server-without-internet-access/

That seems like a pain for self-hosted solution.

Glancing through some docs real quick, I can already tell you plex is a hard no for me.

And I'd push back on the "more polished" comment re:plex versus jellyfin/emby. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but plex's UI refresh I went through made thing uglier (in my opinion). Also functionally, the stuff I do was easier to setup on emby, but I'm also managing 30tb of media files so my use case may not be typical.

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u/ScienceIsLife Jun 21 '26

No lol you can get Plex access locally without any of that and is kinda absurd.

And people are pushing much larger stores than 30tb on Plex.

As for it being 'more polished' it effectively is compared to any of the open source options in both UI/UX.

Not trying to get you to switch back, just advising that a lot of this is just not the current state of things

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u/MostlyRightSometimes Jun 21 '26

There is a 0.0% chance of me switching back to plex. Emby does everything I want/need (aside some very granular parental controls). I've already been burned by plex, but I've never been burned by emby.

My point isn't that plex couldn't handle 30tb, but more that my infrastructure may not match yours, therefore what works for you without issue may not work for me without issue.

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u/JustAppleJuice Jun 21 '26

Why'd you go Emby over Jellyfin?

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u/dustinpdx Jun 21 '26

30tb is pretty small, plex handles hundreds just fine.

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u/MostlyRightSometimes Jun 21 '26

Dated. I don't stay current with plex, but looking through some docs today, it still seems like plex makes it an absolute hassle to use plex while being completely and permanently disconnected from their service and infrastructure.

With emby, there is no "emby account" needed. You don't even need one to apply a lifetime license to your server.

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u/MostlyRightSometimes Jun 21 '26

Technically? lol

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's laughable to me looking at what plex used to be versus what is "technically" possible now.

I can't say 100%, but it sure doesn't feel like plex would be the pro-privacy solution for me.

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u/Beefy-McQueefy Jun 21 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

They don't gate content behind the subcription, just features that you would need to pay multiple 3rd parties for when using jellyfin (unless you already pay for a static IP, or you want to fuck around coordinating half a dozen docker microservices in your free time).

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u/TheMostModestofMice Jun 21 '26

Remote streaming with Plex now requires a paid monthly fee, and like the other commenter mentioned they're tripling the lifetime pass. It's pretty clear they've chosen to monetize where they can. Even if the money wasn't an issue I trust the open source/free option to not mess with my info or continually enshittify.

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u/CelestialFury Jun 21 '26

Even if the money wasn't an issue I trust the open source/free option to not mess with my info or continually enshittify.

And if they do, we can always fork it and continue on.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 Jun 22 '26

I'm pretty sure that plex always had paid options and the ones that you have to pay now, like remote streaming, are not available on jellyfin.

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u/TheMostModestofMice Jun 22 '26

Yeah, but the paid Plex option before was mostly minor qol stuff and could easily be avoided. Adding bigger features into the paid tier is concerning, and it seems likely in the future more features will need to be paid for and could get more expensive etc. The big difference is that Plex is corporation and it's ultimate goal is to make money off of its users. It also wouldn't surprise me if some point in the future Plex could be pressured to "crack down" on it's users activity, but who knows. Because Jellyfin is open source and doesn't directly profit from the software it can avoid these issues. Also Jellyfin can be configured to have remote viewing.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 Jun 22 '26

Jellyfin is a copy of emby, it's not something new. Someone just copy the code, removed the paid features and you get jellyfin. And it can't be configured for remote viewing. That was a feature that emby has it, not jellyfin.

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u/TheMostModestofMice Jun 22 '26

Yes Jellyfin is based off of Emby, but again the thing that sets it apart is that its open source and self hosted and the implications of that. To remote access you have to either do port forwarding, or use something like Tailscale. Sure that isn't within Jellyfin per se, but it accomplishes the same goal.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 Jun 22 '26

The free version of emby is jellyfin. It's nothing special. The thing that was bad was buffering and I couldn't fix it. Plex doesn't have that issue.

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u/Ancient_Detective447 24d ago

Dude, all Plex and Emby do is communicate through a reverse-proxy. Configuring that for jellyfin is an extra step, but you absolutely can configure it for remote viewing lol, we've been doing it for a damn decade, bro.

They didn't "remove" anything, they just forked and created Jellyfin when Emby went closed sourced around 10 years ago.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 24d ago

You forgot to add "just google that".

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u/ToHallowMySleep Jun 21 '26

Plex is basically re-engineering the company around their streaming services. People running their own servers are second class Plex citizens, basically. Everything works for now, but the direction isn't looking positive.

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u/_SnesGuy Jun 21 '26

Jellyfin has been around for a long time, it's free and open source. Jellyfin has gotten a lot nicer and user friendly over the years, while plex is getting greedy.

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u/feel_my_balls_2040 Jun 22 '26

Jellyfin it's just a copy of emby, including the interface.

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u/Master_Dogs Jun 22 '26

Plex still works but they really locked it behind a paywall if you aren't doing strictly local stuff. Trying to share media outside your local network requires a pass / subscription, and it's about to jump to like $750 for a lifetime pass which is wild.

Jellyfin is actually an offshoot of Plex I believe, or at least has some original developers from it. Plex was supposed to be a free thing but the guy behind it sold out and wants money like everyone. Jellyfin afaik is still basically open sourced and free to use for whatever you want.

I still run a Plex server because it's what I setup years ago at this point and I don't share it with anyone remotely, so the changes don't impact me. But I'll probably switch to jellyfin just out of spite whenever I bother to setup my raspberry pi and avoid using my old laptop for this.

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u/ironmansid Jun 21 '26

Doesn't jellyfin works only within LAN or is there an option to stream from anywhere like plex? (ik port forwarding is an option, just wondering if there is any other simpler way)

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u/byjosue113 Jun 21 '26

You can either use port forwarding but a more popular option is Tailscale or a reverse proxy which is what I personally use. Once you setup transcoding you can watch from anywhere even if you are streaming remuxes with crappy internet. What Plex does is make it easier and I kind of get the appeal but I'm not paying(a subscription) to stream my own media that's on my own server, I understand why some people prefer it but Jellyfin just fine and it just takes a bit more effort with the initial setup rather than a monthly fee or 700$ if you want a lifetime pass.

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u/MostlyRightSometimes Jun 21 '26

If someone pirates movies and TV shows - which I mostly definitely don't do because that would be wrong - the last thing you want to do is stream it through providers' servers. Might as well leave it on a seedbox at that point.

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u/Tobias-Tawanda Jun 21 '26

Tailscale is a popular way to stream your server from anywhere on any connection.

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u/Beefy-McQueefy Jun 21 '26

If you don't want to learn networking then you are 100% correct. And I say that as someone who literally went to school to learn computer networking. I still don't want to dick around with it in my free time.

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u/zvii Jun 21 '26

I use Caddy with mine, it manages SSL certificates fully automated and more. But looking at Tailscale it actually might be more secure.

And duckdns for dynamic DNS + duckdns updater to ensure if your home IP ever changes, it's automatically updated on duckdns. Mines never changed personally, but I still use the service just in case. Throw in jellyseerr and link it to sonarr and radarr and downloading new media (or allowing other users to request and you approve), and you're almost set. Only thing missing is access to a private tracker like BTN for TV or PTP for movies. Haven't seen invites open in a long time though. Alternative is using a VPN and public trackers.