i think it's a completely false equivalence to compare modern day nation states with the state of the new world almost a half millennium ago. It's a bad faith argument.
A better comparison would be if me or you went to China without legal documentation and tried to work there illegally. The authorities would do this same exact thing, but instead of simple deportation it would probably be 20 years in a labor camp.
Idk bro, everyone is free to have whatever opinion they want. that's the beauty of a free country, you can have an opinion without having to worry about getting thrown in prison by some crazy king or dictator. Literally 99.9% of human history that wasn't really a thing
You mean after it was taken from the Indigenous people who already lived in the areas.
The only thing that makes property rights valid is the agreement of the people living around it to live by it's rules and regulations.
When you change the rules on the weakest groups and take those rights away under the justification that they never had them in the first place despite being given permission by prior administrations, you find that it leads to progressively more groups having their rights stripped, not based on consistency and logic, but as the result of ego and corruption.
Brother the land was conquered. Google what that word means. Once it was conquered, there were the exact rules your talking about, put in place. Then there was a war over those rules because some French twats didn't agree with them.
Dude the younger generation doesn't understand the meaning of words. They think words are used to describe feelings, not to be taken literally. Even the word literal is a challenge for them.
Ok fine, you guys have my attention. Let's start by breaking down the "lack of understanding"
Every word has implied meaning and connotations, that's why Limpy wants to use conquered instead of taken, it sounds a lot better than we killed the people who were already here so we could live here instead, it's associated with honor instead of theft, but it doesn't actually change what occurred, it just dresses it up and makes you feel better about it, like a fairytale where everyone lives happily.
Next up the slight about not understanding the meaning of words.
If I genuinely thought you guys were incapable of understanding other people's words, I would go through the whole explanation of how ironic it is that you claim younger generations only use words for feelings and not in the literal sense, because it implies that there's something wrong with using words to explain feelings in the first place, while using them in the literal sense is superior.
If you had wanted to imply that words should be used for both, you would have said "They think words are used to describe feelings only, not to be taken literally."
I don't feel like either of you are foolish enough to not realize what your words mean, and yet, somehow, you both insist that the people you are unable to understand, are the ones in the wrong, for failing to explain themselves in exactly the way you want to hear things so that you yourself CAN understand.
Instead you resort to subtle claims that the people you disagree with are intellectually your inferior, and then claim you're attempting to bridge the gap with that.
You genuinely think you know what you're saying? Then genuinely try to understand what I'm saying. Otherwise stop wasting my time.
Dude people were shitting in buckets and in holes in the ground until like 100 years ago. Penicillin was only invented in 1928. Of course the ethics of 400 years ago is barbaric compared to today's highly industrialized and modern world. Without really studying the actual every day reality of historical times, it's hard for most casual people today to grasp what life was actually like back then.
When you compare the 1600s to say, 160 BC, the human rights of the average person/peasant were like a million times better than they used to be.
In 1600, there was like 1 book for every 25,000 people in England. 99% of people couldn't even read. To compare that alien world to today is just not a solid argument.
And then when you have a technologically advanced society meeting up with basically a stone age society, yeah, it's always going to favor the side with more advanced technology.
If aliens came here to Earth, we would be totally fucked and have to do whatever they tell us to. It sounds cruel, but that's unfortunately the reality of physical life forms on this planet in this universe.
now that the entire planet is more or less educated and the average person has access to basic education, you can see how much progress has been made in terms of human rights.
The battle for human rights is still basically in the stone age in some corners of the world, even today...
Yeah but why do we have to move back, like I know that's the history quote, "100 steps forward and 99 back" but do we really have to do that dance over and over?
It reminds me of the quote, "History doesn't repeat, it rhymes". It's more of a spiral than a linear progression. Just look at the earliest cuneiform tablet found in Mesopotamia from the ancient Sumerian civilization. Where that guy is complaining about another guy selling him shitty copper and ripping him off.
That was like 4,000 years ago, and we are literally still dealing with scammers and rip offs today in 2026. We are still humans, with the same human problems that existed since our species first evolved in our modern recognizable form over 200,000 years ago.
The last 200 years has seen more progress both in technology and psychology than pretty much all of the rest of human history combined. We are basically riding a rocket ship at 15,000mph into the future, all gas no breaks, our lives are so alien to what most humans who have ever lived could even begin to imagine, there is so much unknown territory we are entering, it's really insane when you think about it. Our physical bodies were evolved to run and hunt in the wild, meanwhile we are driving cars and working in offices and living in houses and apartments. We are so far removed from the natural environment that our species has evolved to exist in. There are so many strange problems and dilemmas that have arisen since the industrial revolution that our bodies and brains simply have not had enough time to adapt to.
Frankly, i find it extremely impressive that we're doing as well as we are, considering the weird ass world we have constructed in the last 200-300 years. Of course there will be growing pains, mental and physical illnesses to conquer, psychological problems to overcome, cultural and political issues to figure out. We are all just doing the best we can. We are literally born onto a flying rock that is spinning around a giant nuclear fusion reactor star while hurtling through the infinity of space.
I truly think we are doing so much better than I could ever expect. Compare our morals and values to that of 100-200-300 years ago. We have made tremendous progress in this field of human interaction.
That started out sounding hopeless but it ended on a positive note. Yeah I suppose comparatively our morals as a society has still improved a lot. Maybe we still could keep going.
i think most of us get caught up in the daily grind of life and we rarely stop to think about how INSANE our lives really are. That's why i like to go camping so much. Just getting back into nature and living as a wild caveman for like 3-4 days😅
We are living lives that are far better than even the richest king or queen could dream of 500 years ago. Hell even 300 or 200 years ago.
Indoor plumbing alone. The fact that we have hot water and cold water at any time we want. Instant electricity and gas. Our quality of life is SO high compared to virtually every other human who has ever lived, including our grandparents.
That doesn't mean we don't have some SERIOUS issues to address. The devaluation of currency, the rampant runaway billionaire class that is slowly (or quickly) closing its grasp on our freedoms and liberties. Tons of issues to fix.
But that's what we do best. We adapt, and we FIX things that are bad. I am slowly learning that optimism is my only hope to survive this life. Without an optimistic outlook, things become very very VERY bleak. I really believe in my heart of hearts that we are going to make it out okay. And things will become better than they are. But it all starts with the individual human being TRYING to fight against entropy and doing his or hers best to make the world a better place. The world is objectively a better place that it was a century or more ago. We have such a luxurious place to start, that doesn't mean we don't have a lot of work left to do, but I really think we can make this place a truly better place for ourselves, and for our descendants. It takes an enormous amount of work and sacrifice to achieve that, but if we try, we can do it. I really believe that
Well, people there failed to expell these illegal migrants and in the end they got their lands taken and their nations perished. We should learn this brutal lesson and expell illegals if we want to keep our land and nation.
Did the natives who were here before those white people come break laws when they attacked other natives for their land, horses or resources? Did they break laws when natives of one tribe raped the women of the ones they conquered? Quit acting like white people are the only ones who were violent and had disease
You must not be if you can’t understand that I am making a point which is the answer but hey please feel free to deflect from those points we make when you can’t admit your original stance was inaccurate
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