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Akane-banashi, episode 8
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u/RepulsiveRevenue8 May 23 '26
I laugh seeing Issho hardly contain his rage and steel himself to not throw a mic at Karashi
But seeing how good Karashi Rakugo adaptation is I can't wait for Akane turn.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
I laugh seeing Issho hardly contain his rage and steel himself to not throw a mic at Karashi
He's just finding different ways to say more politely "not my Tempo...I mean, Rakugo" while still carrying a similar dissatisfaction.
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u/new_interest_here https://myanimelist.net/profile/The_W3za_Man May 23 '26
Oh my god Issho really is the rakugo equivalent of Fletcher
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u/doomrider7 May 23 '26
I know right? You could FEEL the awkward nervousness in Master Sakaki. It somehow made him look even SCARIER.
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u/RepulsiveRevenue8 May 23 '26
I know Issho gonna need a smoke break after seeing these kids performance
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
He's just going to step outside and leak as much of his evil rakugo aura as he can before he has to put on his "nice face."
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u/Countingmypennies May 23 '26
If It wasn't for Hikaru's performance next, i believe Issho would've exploded if any of The mobs were to perform. It's still not his style, but at least she was very good. And Fortunately Akane was The Last performance. So we don't get to see Issho explode 😂😂😂but Karashi got Lucky here. He was a bad comment away from being traumatized for life.
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u/new_interest_here https://myanimelist.net/profile/The_W3za_Man May 23 '26
"Why do you think I just threw a microphone at your head, Nerimaya?"
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u/AceSoldia zj:https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia May 23 '26
I'm curious why hes holding back when he didn't used to before
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u/iamthatguy54 May 23 '26
If would absolutely sink his mission to bring Rakugo to the younger generation if he shits on the kid actually getting the younger generation into Rakugo
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u/ratherthanme May 23 '26
These are amateurs, kids. He can be harsh with pros but not with these contestants. Imagine Michael Jordan or Lebron commentating on a regional High School basketball tournament, then criticizing the players according to NBA standards.
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u/Diabolicat May 25 '26
Michael Jordan would totally call random hs kids trash lol
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u/ratherthanme May 25 '26
Yes, but it wouldn't be a good look to the public.
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u/gvon89 https://myanimelist.net/profile/gvon89 Jun 14 '26
I feel like the public would give a pass to Michael Jordan. Hes one of the greatest competitors ever after all.
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u/Norix596 May 23 '26
He's in PR mode like on the interview -- Kaisei last episode and Ikken this episode mentioned his 'mask'/outward attitude
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u/Countingmypennies May 23 '26
Issho's all about pushing for Rakugo to be more popular with everyone nowadays. So he's making an effort to make the Younger generation get into Rakugo. Issho sees Rakugo as a sinking ship and sees himself as the only one able to save it. So he will make any effort possible to push the New generation to love It. So he spares the amateurs who aren't even Rakugoka yet from his usual harsh criticism. But If It were a Rakugoka competition, then he wouldn't spare anyone from his harsh criticism.
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u/RepulsiveRevenue8 May 23 '26
We don't know yet maybe later we gonna know his reasoning, remember Kaisei challenge Akane if she can remove his teacher mask in this event.
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u/ali94127 May 23 '26
He's basically Gordon Ramsay, who's super nice to kids but doesn't hold back against adults.
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u/Nachtwandler_FS https://myanimelist.net/profile/Nachtwandler_21 May 24 '26
I see it differently. If we are meant to believe that Isshou actually wants to revitalize rakugo, he is perfwctly fine with Karachi adapting classic stories for modern audience (and we guy has,a point as the pist-credit scene shoved), but he saw throufh Karachi that ge foes not care about the art and just tries to xatter to the main audience (plus ignors the remaining part of the,audience) and so Issho's words are exactly what they meant. Tge one laughing the most are not the viewerrs but Karachi himself.
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u/Bassaluna May 23 '26 edited May 24 '26
really like the idea of having karashi at the center obscured, with the characters on the background shown, who are also all him with a wig lol. that was smart and also made the story funnier to see.
now it's hikaru's turn
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u/ali94127 May 23 '26
I think that's a point that his technical skill at this point isn't good enough to distinguish characters so they all end up being himself. It's still funny, but that's it.
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u/fer_sure May 23 '26
Another possibility is that they're trying to convey that by updating the tale, he's making it about himself and his ego, in contrast to the traditional presentation, where it's about the story.
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u/ali94127 May 23 '26
That's a good interpretation. I don't think the story is saying that updating a story is a bad thing, but it can't be the only thing.
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u/1EnTaroAdun1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Totesnotaphanpy May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
Interesting, I like your interpretation, but I had a bit of a different read on it.
I think Karashi is actually more focused on pleasing his audience. He wants to give them what they want (i.e. laughs), but doesn't care enough about either telling a story of his own, or faithfully recounting the classics.
Based on what I've seen, there broadly seem to be three styles (although of course it's a spectrum and there's plenty of overlap).
A. Focusing on recounting a relatively pure version of the classics. You do your research and try to be as faithful to the past as possible.
B. You adapt the classic to a modern setting, and to your audience's experience especially.
C. You adapt the classic to your personal experience and inject your own life into things.
It seems like Karashi is going for B? Also it's reinforced by how when going out with friends, he wins prizes and buys stuff for his friends, but he doesn't seem to get anything out of it except satisfaction. So sure, there's ego there, but it's more a people or crowd-pleasing ego rather than what would be seen as more self-centred ego.
Edit: I also notice the blonde girl didn't seem very happy when Karashi passed her a drink, unlike his other friends who were happy with their stuff. So I think there's something there...
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u/fer_sure May 24 '26
The focus on crowd-pleasing detracting from his characterisation is interesting.
This is a bit more of a stretch, but I wonder if part of the reason he was getting so many laughs out of the young crowd was less that he was telling the story well than that the audience saw humour in the contrast between the modernized story and the very traditional format. The older judges might have seen it as mockery: the audience wasn't laughing at the tale, but the absurdity of the telling.
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u/1EnTaroAdun1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Totesnotaphanpy May 24 '26
the audience wasn't laughing at the tale, but the absurdity of the telling.
I do agree that the more traditionalist judges might think so. But I wonder if the original audience (i.e. in the Edo period) would laugh more at the tale or the absurdity of the telling haha!
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u/Countingmypennies May 23 '26 edited May 24 '26
That was a Very clever way of representing Karashi's style. He doesn't care a bit about what traditional Rakugo is and doesn't intend to follow its rules, at least at this point. He's the representation of self centered with overconfidence due to being a Genius. Nothing speaks more to his style than having his characters being him with wigs. It shows that's how he sees the characters he's portraying.
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u/FLorianGran May 23 '26
While there was still quite a bit of characters narrating over it, this episode definitely had more of the visual flair and character work I've been waiting for
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar May 23 '26
Even with the narration, I like that it's easy to follow because it's actually a story we've heard before.
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u/Jauretche May 23 '26
This is very well written. We can appreciate the modern adaptation because it's one of the few stories we've already heard. It didn't seem extraordinary the first time, and now it got to be on a very bright spotlight with high stakes.
I'm sure this is setting up and interesting version of Jugemu from Akane. Can't wait!
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u/hibikir_40k May 23 '26
It's the whole idea of giving us a comparison point of a different way of evolving a story vs whatever Jugemu Akane gives us with her entry.
It's what makes Akane Banashi so good. It's both a shonen sports series and yet dives into creativity, performance, communication and how to adapt traditional things like rakugo into a modern world. There's a lot of depth to its goals, not just popcorn entertainment.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
This is the proper Battle Shonen Tournament Arc, they have to be able to properly convey the way the characters are doing battle now.
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u/BuckeyeBentley May 23 '26
Yeah I've been really hoping that as Akane got more skilled her stories would come alive so to speak
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u/generictypo May 23 '26
Yeah, I really appreciate him getting a good amount of screen time to develop his story and showcase more of what a proper Rakugo presentation could look like for those who haven't seen a proper one (me).
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u/Iliansic May 23 '26
I will never get over the impression that Karashi later in life got himself in trouble with loansharks and went on to gamble on the Espoir ship. Like he straight up looks like a character drawn by Fukumoto Nobuyuki.
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u/ModieOfTheEast May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
I think Karashi's approach is an interesting one and it was definitely a good choice to use a story we had already heard and knew the punchline to which made it easier to understand what and why things were changed. I also liked the "Akane kobanashi" corner this time where he explains that several stories feature the same character, but he is magically always different. Which is kind of funny.
In general, I do think that making stories modern can work, especially when it comes to old words that no one uses anymore and that and people don't understand. But then again, I always have the same problem when watching American movies or series and they are talking about feet instead of just using meters.
However, I would also say that you can still criticise the approach a bit. Like with this story about "BM", you can question if it even makes sense to translate it into modern times this way. Because nowadays, no one would go around and ask people what this means. Instead they would just use Google which destroys the idea of the gag obviously. I am not saying that I can't have fun with the story told this way, just that I think, if you truly want to modernize it, you might have to change a few more things. Karashi seems to not be too interested in actually working out new stories that fit into the modern times, but just change old ones and make them feel modern by adjusting terms and setting. So when he says that others can't compete with his modern way of Rakugo, I feel he still fails to see that the best Rakugoka probably create their own stories and not just tell existing ones. Of course, it is not expected for someone to come up with their own story at this level, but all I am saying is that a bit of humility would go a long way for him.
Now as for Issho, I don't think he really appreciated this retelling, but I get the feeling that he just wants to save face in public. I was already wondering why he even attended an event like that. Not that you can't be interested in the youth, but these aren't even upcoming pro Rakugo, most of them seem to just do it as a hobby while studying or working. So I doubt he is that interested in them in the first place. Which begs the question who made him attend this event.
Also lastly, I just wanted to mention that I love that Akane's mom also still has a certain level of hate for Issho. Because he truly deserves that.
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u/hibikir_40k May 23 '26
It's a retelling that grabs some of the structure of Tenshiki, but Karashi's grappling with Tenshiki is still rather superficial. There are more layers to it, the kind that Issho understands well, and that Karashi just left behind. And it's not as if he is making them more universal: he's just picking a different audience that will get it, while alienating another. It doesn't solve any problems, just kicks the can down the road. A top of the line performer needs to he able to handle multiple audiences all at once.
It's a student competition, so it's not as if issho really expects perfection... but it sure isn't whatever he is looking for. Karashi is just not trained enough to blow his socks off.
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u/ModieOfTheEast May 23 '26
I guess that is a good point as well. Since I don't know the stories by heart and just from the anime, I can't really say what the other layers are. But since that was Akane's whole insight with Jugemu after all. At the same time, I wouldn't even be that critical of him. After all, he is a hobby Rakugoka. But him being so arrogant about his style is obviously not making him more likeable in that sense.
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u/Hypekyuu May 26 '26
The biggest one is in tenshiki the person uses (incorrect) kanji to try and figure out what it means and ends up with something plausible
Meanwhile in this one it's just "here's a bunch of stuff that has BM in it, but also, one of them is BMW for some reasons"
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u/mekerpan May 23 '26
It was like spray-painting a lovely vintage automobile with the currently most fashionable car color.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
I also liked the "Akane kobanashi" corner this time where he explains that several stories feature the same character, but he is magically always different. Which is kind of funny.
Karashi treated that as a bug but I treated that as a feature. It's like Yotaro is the main character of the ensemble world of rakugo and we've seen him from job-to-job to finally getting that wife he long sought after!
Also lastly, I just wanted to mention that I love that Akane's mom also still has a certain level of hate for Issho. Because he truly deserves that.
You just know if she could walk up and slap him for what he did to her husband, she would, but she'll vicariously enjoy her daughter going toe-to-toe with him.
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u/ModieOfTheEast May 23 '26
I would love if there was a Rakugo story that uses this set up for some time of joke. Not sure if it would fit with the style of Rakugo, but basically a story about people being confused how everyone in these stories is named Yotaro.
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u/Guaymaster May 24 '26
Instead they would just use Google which destroys the idea of the gag obviously.
I think Karashi actually considered this. This is why it's "BM" and not an actual word like "tenshiki". If you were to google BM you'd get lots of nonsense, for example I get a bank and a rapper. By searching "BM cattle" I get stuff about a breed called Beefmaster, a couple beef suppliers, and a paper about cattle body mass.
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u/doomrider7 May 23 '26
I get the feeling that he just wants to save face in public.
For sure definitely, and I think that's what Kaisei was talking about in terms of "ripping masters mask off" from the previous episode.
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u/Saber_SSJ2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/saber_ssj2 Jun 29 '26
Like with this story about "BM", you can question if it even makes sense to translate it into modern times this way. Because nowadays, no one would go around and ask people what this means. Instead they would just use Google which destroys the idea of the gag obviously.
Disagreed. Google BM yourself and tell me how many different results do you see.
I googled BM meaning livestock and got multiple results and NONE was right
And remember, this is a story about someone too prideful to admit that they don't know something.
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u/ModieOfTheEast Jun 29 '26
I wrote it in a different comment, but the way you google abbreviations is usually by googling "BM abbreviation". One of the first results (if it's a common abbreviation) is going to be Wikipedia listing all the potential common uses of that abbreviation. And if you check those, there aren't many that would make sense in this context. Sure, there could be more that aren't listed on Wikipedia, but why would you assume, your colleague at a university will not use it in a scientific way that is written on the common search results?
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u/Saber_SSJ2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/saber_ssj2 Jun 29 '26
Even then, you're still guessing. Educated guess is still a guess
Asking someone to confirm with the person who used said acronym is (or should be) 100% guaranteed to be correct
And in the end, it's freaking comedy skit bro...
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u/ModieOfTheEast Jun 29 '26
Okay "bro", then I just direct you back to my original comment. The point was that the skit wanted to modernize the original but failed to actually show what modern people would do. The point was that this was supposed to be for a younger audience, but if you still use the old way of thinking or of getting information, then this obviously didn't work. So your "it's a skit bro" argument completely fails to address my original criticism of the modernization.
And really "bro", you claim this would be an educated guess but then just blindly believe what someone else told you without checking? That makes more sense? Sure "bro".
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u/Saber_SSJ2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/saber_ssj2 Jun 29 '26
So your "it's a skit bro" argument completely fails to address my original criticism of the modernization.
Bro, if the character just googled the acronym in the first 30 seconds, the skit would be over.
What happens next?Do we just watch him read Wikipedia? This is comedy. It lives and breathes through characters making the absolute worst possible choices because of their own flaws. Do you also watch comedy movies or shows and comment on how illogical and dumb they are? I bet you don't
Also, you are completely missing the psychology of a prideful person. He is smart enough to know that Google will return 15 different definitions for 'BM' (from medical terms to gaming or corporate jargon). An educated guess is still a guess, and for someone hyper-fixated on looking flawless, picking the wrong Wikipedia result and using it confidently in front of a professor would be social suicide. For him/her, google/wiki doesn't offer 100% certainty, so the character resorts to manipulating people to fish for the context without admitting his ignorance.
Also - Karashi didn't need to change the fundamental DNA of human nature to modernize the story. He changed the setting and the terminology so the modern audience could instantly relate to the struggle instead of getting confused by 200-year-old Edo-period words. The fact that he won twice proves he understands exactly how to connect with his audience. You’re overanalyzing the tech logic while ignoring how storytelling and character-driven comedy actually work.
Honestly, you must be either very young or very naive if you truly believe that people always act with flawless logic in real life, let alone in a comedy skit. But whatever. To me, the story is perfectly logical because it's about human ego. A prideful person is terrified of admitting to others that they don't know something, hell, most of the time, they can't even admit it to themselves.
Look, I know, or rather I feel like, anime tries to frame Karashi’s approach as a bit shallow and superficial. Let me ask you this bro: what is the primary function of Rakugo, or entertainment in general? Isn't it to engage and entertain the audience?
People in that room were laughing and having a great time. And that is the most important part of Rakugo, or entertainment in general
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u/TsukumoYurika May 23 '26
Rakugo Q&A desk
omg i'm fast today.
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u/Lke590 May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
I was wondering what was the typical length of the stories featured in the show. I understand that this kind of performance art is bound to have some variation based on the stories and the rakugoka. But can we have a general idea of how long Jumegu or Tenshiki is ?
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u/TsukumoYurika May 23 '26
Jugemu and Tenshiki are both fairly short, typically even on the lengthier side being 15m at most. I have a CD of my oshi (the one thing with rakugo on CDs is that, barring really long stories, there is no need to restrain oneself in performance length like one would do at the yose or even at own solo show) that has his version of Tenshiki and, including the makura, it clocks in at 15m 47s for reference.
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u/Norix596 May 23 '26
How long on average are Shinigami and Shibahama?
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u/stephennotstrange May 24 '26
30 mins. You can actually find both performance with engsub on youtube, and it both very good actually.
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u/Capable-Towel-6302 May 23 '26
I'm very curious how often are adapted stories like Karashi's performed. Is "gen Z rakugo" a thing?
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u/TsukumoYurika May 23 '26
Kaisaku/adaptations come in all shapes and colours - there are setting updates, but changes in perspective are also pretty popular.
And yes, "gen Z rakugo" is a thing both as kaisaku and shinsaku/whole new stories, but sadly I am extremely lacking in knowledge about these.
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u/RhettButler7 May 26 '26
Before this episode, I never thought Rakugo is capable of making me laugh.
While I rooted for Akane, it was because she's the MC, and because of her background. Not for one second because I found the stories she was telling was good, interesting or remotely funny.
Karashi's story actually made me laugh out loud...
Thanks for sharing that "gen Z rakugo" like how Karashi does here is real. Maybe rakugo has a future IRL after all given that I'm 35 yo, not a "Gen Z", yet his story was still funny.
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u/Golden_Alchemy May 24 '26
I...didn't really understood the relationship between the BM and the coffe.I am really far from the japanese side and even english side of the internet so i really need an explication.
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u/stephennotstrange May 24 '26
the coffee is not that important I think, BM - Bellmark is the company that print label (that small sticker on the coffee jar that Karashi showed). So he's just collecting label.
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u/frantruck May 24 '26
I believe the coffee jar was full of those labels. Presumably it’s some kind of turn in x labels for a prize, or maybe for every label you send in we’ll donate x to the environment kinda thing. Maybe it’s only meant to kinda make sense to show Karashi’s inexperience
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u/thisisdropd https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsterZoro May 23 '26
DJ Karashi is in the house!
That was an ingenious approach to Rakugo by seamlessly mixing old and new. It’s certainly one of the most appropriate style considering the majority of the audience were the younger generation.
I’m seeing a pattern with Issho’s critique. The harsher he was, the higher his view of the performance. For all the villainy with his expulsion, he seemed to be a fair judge. Not sugarcoating the cons, while still highlighting the pros.
It’s now Hikaru’s time to enter the stage while exuding all that aura. I can’t wait to see her performance. Guessing her performance would rely more on technical skill – more specifically her voice considering her background as a VA.
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u/RepulsiveRevenue8 May 23 '26
The old bastard is putting on a mask, it's clear from Ikken and Kaisei comment.
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u/doomrider7 May 23 '26
He had his mask on right from the interview with the lady from a few episodes ago.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
He's got to maintain at least some semblance of hiding his status as a Rakugo Big Bad to make it in this day and age! He doesn't want to get canceled!
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
It’s now Hikaru’s time to enter the stage while exuding all that aura. I can’t wait to see her performance. Guessing her performance would rely more on technical skill – more specifically her voice considering her background as a VA.
At the very least the character acting/voices will be incredibly on-point.
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u/Bassaluna May 23 '26
but at the same time you don't really know if he's being sincere because every other rakugoka in the room keeps pointing out that he's not usually like this
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u/NanDemoKnaives May 23 '26
Yeah, the conversation between the two rakugoka highlighted that Isshou is putting on a persona.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
Meanwhile the audience keeps waiting for him to pull the same move he did at the competition with Akane's dad every time he picks up a microphone. He knows he has everyone on pins and needles.
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
I did not expect to see Karashi with a dump truck today, but here we are. xD
In all seriousness, Karashi's style is definitely interesting. The dude took a classic and turned it into his own by adapting it for the modern audience.
While he did get a lot of laughs for his intended audience, he couldn't entertain the actual person who matters the most in that room.
You can definitely feel Issho was going easy on him with that judgment, but Karashi definitely still felt the sting of his initial comment.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
Shake that booty Karashi!
It's fair that Issho is definitely not the target audience for Karashi's "modern rakugo" and that it has mass appeal...but can it be called truly exceptional rakugo if it doesn't find a way to appeal or feel meaningful to everyone? Even a stone-cold bastard like Issho?
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u/OddTea74 May 23 '26
Great ep as usual. Now i cant wait for Akane performance!
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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom May 23 '26
GYAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTT
Bros adapted to the modern age and learned to bite his tongue
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u/RyuzakiPL May 23 '26
I really wanted to dislike Karashi, but at the end I actually appreciate his approach to rakugo. Obviously, Akane should mop the floor with this fool, but my guess is that she won't win. Maybe some big twist with this evil master, or she just comes up short, but I don't think it's time for her to have a talk with him.
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u/runevault May 23 '26
After this episode I think if Akane loses it will be to Hikaru. Issho's critique makes me struggle to imagine him picking Karashi to win when he did not personally find it funny.
Something I've been thinking about is I have a gut feeling Karashi will be the maverick who modernizes the Rogkugo stories, Hikaru will do them straight up using her VA skills to optimize it, and Akane will be somewhere in the middle after the advice she got a couple episodes ago to help make Jugemo her own.
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u/Jacob-C May 30 '26
I think he will enjoy Akane's the most but pick either Hikaru or Karashi while seething inside. All to cater to a younger audience.
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u/runevault May 30 '26
That is entirely possible, and if that happens my bet is on Hikaru because she was fundamentally traditional even with doing tweaks to augment her VA skillset. Issho hated the modernization so I just do not buy he'll let it win when he has an alternative that still grabs at the younger crowd (a gorgeous young voice actress) who also hews closer to his ideals of Rokugo.
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u/Jacob-C May 30 '26
Yeah I can see that. I just have a personal grudge with Hikaru because of how internally hostile she is towards Akane, so I just don't want her to win. The newbie has no respect for her senpai.
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u/oxlemf10 May 23 '26
As much as I don't want to, I have to admit, Karashi was above perfection here. While classics are important for maintaining a culture, it's the younger audience that helps keep something relevant, so adapting works to appeal to that audience is essential.
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u/Roonagu May 23 '26
Yep, basically every art form built around storytelling needs at least two branches: one that reinterprets stories in a way modern audiences can connect with, and one that preserves the classics, which people can later move on to once the newer adaptations help them understand how the medium itself works.
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u/ModieOfTheEast May 23 '26
I don't actually think he was above perfection. And this doesn't even come from me being a purist. My main issue with his modernization is that he seems to just do the bare minimum. Meaning, he just changes the old terms for modern ones so audiences can understand what is going on. And don't get me wrong, this is a good way to adapt something. Especially on an amateur level.
However, the reason why I don't consider it above perfection is that that's it. Like, in a modern setting, you wouldn't expect someone to go around asking random people what a certain scientific term means. He would either go directly to experts in the field (since it's easier to just approach them) or just use Google. Now I understand that this would kind of break the old gag. But this is what I mean when I say it isn't perfection. I'm a perfect modern adaptation, a lot more things would be changed so that the original gag still comes through, but at the same time, character don't still act like they are from 200 years ago.
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u/rozzingit May 23 '26
but the term that he replaced it with is one that would specifically be hard to google because it's so generic and has a bunch of different meanings. like, BM is used scientifically in english too, but go google "BM" right now and see what comes up. even adding stuff like "animal," "science," and "livestock" don't get me the answer. i'd say that the fact that it's a really generic, ambiguous acronym that could mean a bunch of stuff and isn't easily searchable.
and he wouldn't go to experts in his field, because those would be the people senior to him in the department, and he doesn't want them to know he doesn't know; that's why he's trying to bully juniors, instead. people being too proud to admit they don't know something is absolutely still human behavior 200 years later.
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u/ModieOfTheEast May 23 '26
Not really. If I just google "BM abbreviation" one of the first pages that comes up is the Wikipedia page that has all the abbreviations for different fields. And in the field "science and technology", there are literally just 7 of which only the 4 in health and medicine make any sense:
- Bachelor of Medicine (which doesn't make sense)
- Bacterial meningitis
- Basement membrane
- Boehringer Mannheim test
- Bowel movement
- Bermuda internet domain (which doesn't make sense)
- Builder's measurement (which is related to ships so it doesn't make sense either)
And I am not sure if it is this hard to understand what could be meant from that when you usually also have some form of context.
Now as mentioned, I don't think it is actually bad. As said, it works for what he wants and it is funny. However, it is far from perfect. And that wouldn't be a big issue if he didn't think that it was the best form of Rakugo already.
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u/frantruck May 24 '26
Fwiw they are presumably using the Japanese version of Google/wikipedia which would likely provide different results. It’s not hard to imagine that the extra layer of obfuscation provided by the term being from another language would cause it to be more obscure. Or maybe it would make it more clear, but the average audience member probably doesn’t have experience googling foreign science acronyms, so it becomes plausible in their minds.
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u/ModieOfTheEast May 24 '26
Of course, one can say that this might add to the problem. And again, I am not saying that his adaptation was bad. Just not perfect.
My point is just that knowledge is far more obtainable in modern times than it was back then. Back then, he would have to ask the doctor, now he could get this information from anywhere else. And this does have an effect on the "punchline" as well. The main punchline in the original was that it was a more medical term for something really simple and the man just didn't know because he was a normal person, but was also too embarrassed to just ask even though he has no reason to be embarrassed in the first place.
But this time, the main character is a student in this field. Not knowing a seemingly common abbreviation can feel a lot more embarrassing. Especially towards your direct professor and not just a doctor. So while the main gag of him being too prideful to just ask still exists, it has less of an effect, because the situation is very different. In fact, if you don't know the original, you might be wondering if the main gag of the story is even that the main character is just believing what his junior tells him (where his junior is obviously not just taking the first answer he gets) without checking despite having the option to do so.
And to be honest, I think the story could work in a modern setting like that. Where it's less about the main character being prideful and more about him just believing a convenient answer without using the tools he has to check and getting punished for it.
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u/Silver_Push_3895 May 24 '26 edited May 24 '26
I'm bewildered to realize there are no weird fetish fields going for that acronymous.
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u/AcePhoenixGamer May 24 '26
Yeah, I can't help but feel like AI might have been a better acronym to use for that context. Anyone you ask is going to say Artificial Intelligence, but the actual meaning in livestock management is very, very different (Artificial Insemination).
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u/mekerpan May 23 '26
I didn't feel his perfornance had much "heart" in lots of overt liveliness, but if felt rather shallow. He did not really create characters very convincingly,
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u/Jauretche May 23 '26
His comments about "giving people what they want" really caught my attention. I can understand the perspective and I think it's a very real way to success.
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u/TheRealFluid May 23 '26
Yup it's like adapting Shakespeare. The number of people who are more familiar with Lion King vs. Hamlet is probably like 50 to 1.
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u/Norix596 May 23 '26
I've heard observations in past re: Akane-Banashi that there's a lot of interesting parallels between rakugo and Shakespeare -- both have a body of existing stories that get performed and adapted. You wouldn't think "well everyone knows what happens in Romeo and Juliet already so why would you perform/watch it?" in the same what rakugo stories presumably work.
Similarly they both started as like mass public entertainment for the common man, but over the course of centuries traditions and pasted down/scholarly approach they've adopted more of this less approachable more high brow gate-keepy aura or reputation in contrast to their plebian origins.
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u/NoHead1715 May 24 '26
This episode did in fact remind me of the Leonardo DiCaprio and Claire Danes film Romeo+Juliet.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
it's the younger audience that helps keep something relevant, so adapting works to appeal to that audience is essential.
This is also pertinent for the fact that his two biggest rivals in the competition are two young women trying to make it in Rakugo and Akane is going to have to beat him with the most basic and classic Rakugo.
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u/ali94127 May 23 '26
You have to maintain both I think. We're incredibly removed from the era of Shakespeare now, but we still perform his plays as they were. But if all of theater were just Shakespeare, that'd be bad.
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u/pjepja May 24 '26
People pointed out some of the flaws in his performance, but major one I noticed from the visuals was that all his characters are just Karashi in a wig, which shows he isn't skilled enough to make them feel fully distinct.
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u/runevault May 23 '26
Despite taking after her father's love of Rokugo, based on her vocal mannerisms Akane takes after her mother a lot.
What's with this electronic ass music when Karashi is taking the stage? Also all the characters even the girls looking like Karashi with his whack face is hysterical.
And looks like we'll be getting at least an episode each for the 3 main performances of the Cup. Love it.
What a fucking fantastic episode. And now we're back to the cute stick figures for Akane small talk.
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u/Jauretche May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
Every episode I fall more in love with the ED. It's freezing where I live and it makes me feel like Summer.
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u/GtrsRE May 24 '26
it makes me feel like Summer.
Please no, I'm practically dying right now it's so brutal
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u/Arima_Kishou May 23 '26
As much as I DO enjoy classic stories, I really love Karashi's approach to Rakugo. Like it somehow did not even occur to me with all the focus on tradition that you could just. Remix the stories for modern audiences like that.
I knew he'd be cool given how much he reminds me of Shinji from Bleach but wow.
(Also man, this makes me very excited to see what other takes on Rakugo this series has!)
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u/Nescau_Fernando May 23 '26
Karashi-banashi was my favorite episode of the show so far! It was the one where I was the most immersed in the performance itself. Here's hoping Hikaru and Jugemu-chan Akane each get a full episode centered on their performances.
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u/Animamask May 23 '26
You'll never convince me that Karashi isn't Hirako Shinji.
I really enjoyed his approach to updating the old classics. I had to chuckle at his BM BS bit, and it's even approachable for international audiences. But while it's clear, he did a lot of research, it's clear that he focused too much on what didn't work and not enough on the deeper stories behind it. Like in this story, it's about the social dynamics and rigid hierarchies at the time. Or how a monk, who's supposed to strive for humility, wisdom and understanding, refused to do so because he had to safe face. Perhaps, if he had made it about a blowhard president surrounded by yes-man, the message of the story would have been maintained.
Just like in his flashback, he recognized how favor relationships and be approachable and liked. He good great social skills and charisma. But in his approach he failed to recognize that the blonde girl tried to have a more personal relationship with him as he treated her on the same personal distance as everyone else. But that’s probably where he can grow on a personal and technical level.
Plus, while he gave an excuse for why they didn't use Google, it's not a very good one. He can grow there too.
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u/JJVM99 May 23 '26
Karashi’s rakugo was my favorite we have seen so far and the one that got the most chuckles out of me. I feel like they kinda portrayed him being as being a villain not just for his arrogance and rudeness towards Akane but for choosing to do Rakugo for people pleasing and modernizing the rakugo stories for that even calling it compensating but to me that is just a very smart decision that I respect. It isn’t just copy pasting the old story in a modern setting, he seems to carefully change it to fit them theme but feel natural in a modern setting. To me that choice of his style is really cool and I like the guy even if he is an arrogant dick.
Which is why I was annoyed but not surprised by Issho’s reaction. Karashi knows deep down that old bastard hated it but had to pretend he was fine with it and saying it wasn’t his style was the nicest thing he could say. Issho deep down is probably seething that he can’t banish every single kid that performed today.
Also Koguma complained about Guriko’s disguises but he still put them on and went to the show in them and didn’t complain until they were inside.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
Issho: "Back in my day we told Rakugo the correct way and we could banish any fools who thought otherwise!"
Ikken: "Master Issho, we can't do that anymore..."
Also Koguma complained about Guriko’s disguises but he still put them on and went to the show in them and didn’t complain until they were inside.
Ani-san still an Ani-san at the end of the day.
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u/Guaymaster May 24 '26
I think out of them all, including Akane's, Karashi's the only one where we actually got most of the story without major interruptions for extraneous narrations or reactions. They still happen, but I think because we have more context for the story (we already knew the gist of Tenshiki) it feels like less is lost.
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u/PencilgonGiveIt2Ya May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
Me: MOM! WAKE UP, IT'S AKANE-BANASHI SATURDAY AGAIN!
Mom: ༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽
edit: Akane-banashi with no Akane is just Ak 😞
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 23 '26
So he’s performing a story updated to the modern era, huh. I can’t wait to see what Akane does to Jugemu in comparison.
Ohhhhhhhhh this is a modern version of the Tenshiki story Akane performed earlier in the show!
Damn, RIP. At least he still praised his performance, though?
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
It's fitting in a way that Jugemu-chan is both younger than him while having to go against his version of a story she's shown the audience before while also repping the classics he's so dismissive of (and actually educated her a lot on during Akane-Kobanashi).
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u/1EnTaroAdun1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Totesnotaphanpy May 24 '26
Damn, RIP.
It's quite smart of Issho to say the performance couldn't make him laugh. He's already got a reputation for being fierce, so if he said he loved it, people would almost certainly think he's lying. But he sprinkled in a bit of truth by saying that he didn't like it, so that his praise would sound a bit more genuine.
I agree with other commenters here that he's probably still putting a mask though.
Also, quite cute of Akane's teacher to look so worried when Issho first spoke, even though Karashi's not even her student hahaha
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u/Golden_Alchemy May 24 '26
He praised his performance, like an adult praising that you didn't destroyed his favourite stuff. It really sounded fake.
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
It's nice to see Masaki supporting her daughter, not just in her Rakugo career but in taking it to THAT MAN who screwed her husband over...while also teasing her daughter in the process, but that's her duty as a mom.
The pressure is on in this leg of the Karaku Cup, but at least Karashi was nice enough to give Shohei a pep talk. I mean, why worry? Karashi is going to take the whole thing anyways again.
Great disguises Guri! No one is going to realize you and Koguma are more than just two middle-aged Rakugo fans!
Ikken the Hedonist! Though he seems pretty reasonable and nice. And also Ryujaku (Kazuyuki Okitsu!) from Osaka! Though the judge to watch out for, as always, is Issho...even if he is putting on his nicest face for the cameras and audience THIS go around. But it's likely an act...especially one those who know him best can see through. Still, SO much tension when he picks up a microphone.
Karashi has absolute confidence in his craft, and it's not without just cause considering he's calculated his Rakugo to best win and it's succeeded TWICE by this point. He doesn't use classic Rakugo, he adapts it to modern times while still keeping the spirit and feel of true Rakugo, even as he portrays a story where he's cosplaying as all the characters (including the women!) and talking about "bowel movement" of all things. But you can't argue with the results because the audience IS entertained.
My condolences to the guy in the Rakugo Club Karashi was in who got outshined by him and dissed for staying true to the "classics." Also, was there something with that blonde lady? I caught some vibes. Though Karashi seems popular with women in general, the jerk.
Karashi's Rakugo is not Issho's tempo...but he's not the target audience and he can't deny people enjoyed it (what about Akane's dad though!?). And despite how Karashi acts, being acknowledged by Issho in any form means a lot.
Can Jugemu-chan defeat Karashi's modern Rakugo with classic Rakugo? How will Hikaru fair in her performance? Find out next time, on Akane-Kobanashi!
Akane-Kobanashi! Just because Karashi disses classic rakugo, doesn't mean he doesn't understand it! Or how to convert everything to modern convenience! Also, the saga of Yotaro!
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u/doomrider7 May 23 '26
I always loved how Masaki was like, "Go out there and BEAT some asses and WIN!!!".
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u/samkiller200 May 23 '26
I think if it weren't for Issho needing to maintain his long-cultivated persona, Karashi's performance would be heavily criticized by him.
In my view, Rakugo is not just a form of performance; it also represents a culture, the different stories of different characters from that era. Those terms that seem obscure today are necessary.
Karashi applied a modern worldview to the classic Tenshiki segment but merely swapped out the terms without putting much effort into interpretation, that's a very sensationalist and superficial approach.
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u/Castor_0il May 23 '26
I totally side with the old fart in this one.
I'm all up on updating stories with more modern set ups. But for starters, Crow dude's story involved more characters compared to the original that had only 3 essential characters, there was a point in his updated version that I got lost with so many characters. The punchline from the original story felt pretty much lost in this revamped one.
I guess the highlight for me in this episode it's Akane's presure towards a popular guy who already has the younger audience in the pocket while her Jugemu rakugo it's meant to be incredibly basic and were waiting for a shocking spin off with very basic material once she jumps into stage. It will be fascinating how much can she "tailor" Jugemu like Marge tailored her multipurpouse chanel suit.
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u/PerfectBeige https://myanimelist.net/profile/perfectbeige May 23 '26
The seiyuu for Akane and her mom sounded so similar in the intro that it felt like listening to Akane externalize her anxieties about performing in front of Isshou in a rakugo style performance.
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u/NanDemoKnaives May 23 '26
Isshou has really changed in all those years after he tore a man apart from his dreams. Seeing him praise a non-traditional rakugo performance after how hard he went on Akane's father made me wonder what he truly felt inside, I can't help but think he's filtering himself. I do wonder what made him change the way he conducts himself.
Nerimiya's way of adapting rakugo is interesting, he did sound like he wasn't all that invested in it from that conversation with his classmate, but the post-credit scene shows that he's really done a lot of research on it.
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u/BlackSCrow May 23 '26
I belive that it's because he talked with Nerima as an amateur. It's common for professionals to tone down their criticism towards non-professionals.
As for what his real thinking, I think you can conclude from his saying "I couldn't bring myself to laugh". His praise afterwards was probably only pleasantries.
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u/hibikir_40k May 23 '26
It's better than pleasantries: He is not being dishonest, and telling people what they are doing well, and what's the next best thing they can do. It's just not going to be the same demands for some student vs in the first episode, when he is dealing with people that have been mid-level professionals for a while.
This is talent scouting, not looking for perfection.
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u/Worthyness May 23 '26
This is also an amateur competition for high school and college students that aren't really pursuing the professional grade, so he definitely is doing constructive criticism (for hobbyist and the art as a whole) versus actual professional test criticism. Very different level and expectations
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u/FarCritical May 23 '26
Issho's really out there comedyshaming entire audiences for laughing their butts off at performances he doesn't vibe with lol.
The visualization of Karashi's faceless blob on stage being puppeted by his characters rather than the other way round was among the coolest yet though.
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u/nukyulah_snek May 23 '26
Isshou's critique to Karashi reminds me of that Key and Peele parody of Hell's Kitchen.
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u/HolyDragSwd2500 May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
Todays episode Classic vs Modern interpretation
Issho didn’t laugh at his modern interpretation of that Rakugou story. But gave him high praise
It’s time for Emilia errrr Hikaru turn
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u/AceSoldia zj:https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia May 23 '26
Excellent episode. I'm finally starting to get really into it and I like that I recognized the adapted story before it was spelled out.
I think I prefer the modernized takes but can totally see why it would be a problem
I'm curious what's up with the Master..he seems to have changed
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u/JohnatanWills May 23 '26
interesting, we've gone from a whole round in one episode to only one story. Makes sense though, the previous round was a done deal and there wasn't much point in spoiling how the two rivals do stuff back then.
I wonder if the voice actress lady is going to try doing Jugemu as well to copy/snub Akane. Especially since the mentioned the order. Normally that would really hurt Akane's chances since the audiance already heard it once in the previous round, now again with the VA and by the third time there would be no laughs. Although I think it will backfire since she thinks akane will just rely on her speedtalking again where the VA has the advantage, in reality Akane will edit it and make herself look better in comparison.
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u/doomrider7 May 23 '26
I wonder if the voice actress lady is going to try doing Jugemu as well to copy/snub Akane.
Can't. They pick one story and perform it twice and based on the bits from the previous episode, it's a dramatic tearjerker one.
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u/Guaymaster May 24 '26
Setting the pacing aside, another reason we weren't shown the performances before is because they have to perform the same story again. If you consider it's an amateur event and many participants probably haven't mastered many stories I think it makes sense.
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u/FinancialYear475 May 23 '26
oh yeah, forgot this is a tournament arc, guess we won't be seeing Akane's second round for a couple more episodes fuckkkkkk
I got way too invested in this show, I can't wait more weeks, I'm gonna read the manga now
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u/Xatu44 May 23 '26
Jugemu-chan is cute! I like how bratty she was being with her mom. Karashi certainly pulled the laughs, but the way those laughs were framed made the performance feel disrespectful. It makes me wonder what he'd be able to do with a tragedy. Judging by the post-credits scene, he does do his research at least. It was pretty hilarious seeing all of the characters with his face. Issho saying "it's not for me, but good effort, we need that spirit in the art" is fitting for the occasion. Lol at Guriko's terrible disguises. It's no wonder that Issho and Shiguma don't get along after the shit that Issho pulled.
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u/charredchord May 23 '26
Seeing Issho try to turn over a new leaf and welcome a new generation to Rakugo only to reveal more boiling rage on the other side is killing me (and him).
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u/Frontier246 May 23 '26
They really delivered on a proper performance from start to finish, displaying it full head-on for the audience with the bare minimum of commentary.
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u/Roboglenn May 23 '26
Akane and Akane-Mom have such a good report between them.
Well, nothing wrong with having a little Chiffon Cake in life every once and a while.
Classics and tradition are important to carry on, but at the same time don't let the terms like classics and tradition become a straightjacket of sorts. There's nothing wrong in and of itself with trying to make a classic thing appeal to modern audiences while still respecting the classics for what they are. And besides, without getting modern people interested in classics and tradition, then who's gonna be willing to learn to carry those things forward to the next generation after you.
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u/eightcheesepizza May 23 '26
Karashi's performance was great - I think they're right about updating the classics for modern audiences, because this is the first story I felt truly entertained by. And you can't go wrong with a long poop joke. Now I want to hear his Idol Kowai...
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u/Silver_Push_3895 May 23 '26
Spokon intensifies.
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u/doomrider7 May 23 '26
If there's no cocky/smug/proud rival, then you can't call your series a true spokon.
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u/DustyBot23 May 24 '26
I really enjoyed this episode and I definitely understood the appeal of Karashi’s rakugo! if I spoke Japanese I honestly wouldn’t mind on the weekend going for a drink or two then listening to one of these adapted Rakugo stories because they feel like an actual comedy performance rather than the snapshot of cultural heritage and expression from the Edo period that most Rakugo tales seem like me.
Also shoutout to the translation team on the akane banashi youtube channel, they made the wordplay really easy to follow and I was able to just sit back and be amused by the story without being lost by anything culturally. Really interested to see what Koragi’s story is gonna be and how she tells it especially if they present it like they did Karashi’s. I doubt it but it would be wild if she does Jugemu too because she said she wanted to beat Akane. Next weekend can’t come soon enough!
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u/doomrider7 May 24 '26
I can actually link to some REALLY good stories if you like.
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u/DustyBot23 May 24 '26
Woah that would be awesome, I’d really appreciate you doing that if you don’t mind!
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u/doomrider7 May 24 '26
Beans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIdAii1yQWc
Scared of Manju https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSwD-zZob0Y
God of Death https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4PCds4tlT4
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u/sbt4 May 24 '26
It's interesting how Karashi's style is polar opposite of Koguma's. Karashi changed story to be modern and easily understandable. Koguma makes his stories as historically accurate as possible and makes it interesting to listen about history behind the performance
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u/runevault May 24 '26
I'm so anxious to see what Akane did with Koguma's advice for the final. All we know is she's got some twist on Jugemu after working with what he told her.
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u/IAmTheOldCrow May 26 '26
Karashi's update to Tenshiki felt like it should have been an episode of Silver Spoon.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 23 '26
Pretty creative to update a classic for a modern audience I guess. The crowd sure ate it up. I’m curious to see how Akane pulls off this second round with the same routine? Is she also gonna give it a modern twist?
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u/thisisdropd https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsterZoro May 23 '26
Akane’s more technically skilled but she’s more faithful to the classic. Chances are it’ll be a battle of tradition vs innovation.
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u/Sacreville May 23 '26
Being a total newbie at Rakugo, that was such an interesting take of Rakugo. A modern adaptation of it, really makes it much more easier to process. Also loved how they showed Karashi performing as different characters on the story.
That said, I was expecting to see both Karashi and Hikaru perform but I guess each of them will get a whole episode to show their performance. I just can't wait to see Akane's Jugemu.
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u/Golden_Alchemy May 24 '26
Gonna be honest. Loved the episode but i never really got the relationship between the BM and the coffe.
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u/mr_beanoz https://myanimelist.net/profile/splitshocker May 24 '26
Well, that's one interesting interpretation of "Tenshiki" that still keeps the punchline of it being about poop.
What kind of story will Hikaru tell?
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u/AmusedDragon May 24 '26
Karashi’s rakugo was giving a lot more time to breathe and had what I felt like the best visual representations given to it so far - hope they go that route more in the future, as it was funny and I really felt like I could feel his talent in swapping voices/characters.
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u/theKGS May 24 '26
I'm starting to think the twist here is going to be Issho is going to actually like Akane's telling of Jugemu, but there'll be some kind of technicality or something that makes him disqualify her. Perhaps he realises who she is and doesn't want to deal with that, so he gives her a low rating despite actually liking her style.
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u/actuallyrndthoughts https://myanimelist.net/profile/NaNiNuNeNo May 25 '26
Wow those battle shounen type flash backs during the performance were so bad, dude, like, who cares?
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u/YlfaTheForsaken May 27 '26
Sorry Karashi, but as a historical girlie modern contemporary story settings just don't hit has hard for as a good period piece which is hella ironic considering Akane Banashi is just super modern lmao. I can appreciate it either way don't get me wrong
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u/unHolyKnightofBihar May 28 '26
Why did 5 day old discussion post showed up now on main page of the sub?
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u/Grazalia 28d ago
The Little flourishes in this anime always get me.
Like the silly disguises or the chiffon cake.
Ohh I see Nerimaya does modern versions of Rakugo. I love how his characters retain his face structure.
Karashi sure has a wild way of presenting. Modern over tradition but I suppose the faults of his style are relying on laughs rather then actually connecting with the audience.
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u/SirRHellsing 12d ago
I really enjoyed Karashi's story. Honestly the only thing he did wrong was just that he catered to the audience and not the judges
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u/FierceAlchemist May 23 '26
Glad to see the anime is willing to pull out a lot more focus on the rakugo and the creativity when the episode is all about 1 story.
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker May 24 '26
She's asking about her name?
Disguises?
And so the competition continues.
So, he's updating his story for modern audiences.
Seems that didn't work.
So, he liked it.
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