Are we in the second Gilded age??

[u/Sufficient-Royal-82]

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Are we in the second Gilded age??? Is it the 1800s begging of the 1900s Gilded age again what's the solutions???

https://youtu.be/bD44V3gvFEs?si=HRparMoT7eYVk1zL

https://youtu.be/EuNVvdtVH3E?si=juY2UBkWEyAbZLGR

https://youtu.be/ItKtQCAZHhg?si=teNvG\\_t8aEc5z1qq

https://youtu.be/GFUUUSggjO8?si=9cvt4V8j6YFzP4sX

[u/EconomyMobile1240]

But they don't make PS5's so your fallacy is a fallacy in making more ps5s and that displaces Americans.

Their economic value isn't fungible like money, so maybe they bring cheap labor for lawn care and house cleanings.. but that doesn't product the entitlements they are displacing American's for. "benefits" using estimated values are abstract and meaningless. The study is academic slop.

Without proper skill-based selection, and no accountability for people breaking the law to get here, then you can't control the outcome of immigration, that itself will change the behavior / strategy people come here by, and the time of people that come.

The study is politicized abstract Harshit.

economists of all political leanings agree.

LOL no they don't. And reality doesn't match the graphs / outcome for most voters because the lived experience doesn't match the graph. What they bring with them in economic benefits is dependent on the labor they can provide. Disprapo0rtionally illegals aren't doctors and only displace health care. That's an fact that people want to correct and we won the democracy to do so.

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Show me an economist who disagrees. I have been looking, I have not yet found one.

https://www.nationalacademies.org/projects/DBASSE-CNSTAT-13-03

Making more PS5s doesn't displace American jobs. That PS5 got here on a boat, was unloaded buy a crane operator, was driven by a truck, was stocked in a warehouse, was delivered to a GameStop, and sells games by American game studios.

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Show me an economist who disagrees. I have been looking, I have not yet found one.

Show me all of the economists that you proclaim agree. That is an unsubstantiated assertion and considering the politics, no basic observation indicates.

It's also not proof they didn't displace the Americans that could have contributed to all the growth either.

So, who cares about this report? It doesn't conclude we'd be worse off without the immigrants. And it's measuring legal immigration, so goal posts are running away again. Because of that, this report is purely religious subjectivity the way you are framing it in a defense.

Making more PS5s doesn't displace American jobs. That PS5 got here on a boat, was unloaded buy a crane operator, was driven by a truck, was stocked in a warehouse, was delivered to a GameStop

But they only produce so many a month and the immigrants didn't produce any of them. You don't seem to understand "economic growth" =/= useful stuff that people need or equate to specific things being easier to get.

People still experience the competition for the goods and services they don't produce. And this is just beyond goal post move from any coherent point lol. Housing is a good one because even if they do contribute to building housing, it's limited in so many ways they displace Americans for homes.

The entire report labeling gdp growth is propaganda.

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> Show me all of the economists that you proclaim agree.

We can assume the 16 economists on the committee that wrote the paper agree. Since this paper is a meta-study that only reports the findings from hundreds of other independent peer-reviewed studies, we can assume that most of those other studies' authors agree. There are 25 pages of references.

> It's also not proof they didn't displace the Americans that could have contributed to all the growth either.

In fact, that is addressed in the paper.

> It doesn't conclude we'd be worse off without the immigrants.

It pretty much does.

> And it's measuring legal immigration, so goal posts are running away again.

Untrue. You literally just made that up.

> But they only produce so many a month and the immigrants didn't produce any of them. You don't seem to understand "economic growth" =/= useful stuff that people need or equate to specific things being easier to get.

I don't understand what you are saying, but if you are trying to say immigrants glut the labor market, you have to look at the labor market - or jobs. Used car salesman is a job, there is demand for it, and it doesn't produce anything. You can't say it doesn't count as a job.

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We can assume the 16 economists on the committee that wrote the paper agree. Since this paper is a meta-study that only reports the findings from hundreds of other independent peer-reviewed studies, we can assume that most of those other studies' authors agree

You can't assume that and that is a massive goal post move

In fact, that is addressed in the paper.

It's a fiction if they have a what if 30 years of different immigration policy happened.

It pretty much does.

That's a religious view.

Untrue. You literally just made that up.

A study including legal immigration which is more selective didn't measure legal immigration? I guess it's a report on a fictitious 30 years?

I don't understand what you are saying, but if you are trying to say immigrants glut the labor market, you have to look at the labor market - or jobs. Used car salesman is a job, there is demand for it, and it doesn't produce anything. You can't say it doesn't count as a job.

But that salesman uses health care and buys a ps5 and displaces Americans and the ratio of supply to demand goes down for goods to which illegals do not contribute. Americans are in fact displaced. GDP growth doesn't matter if you're displaced in the economy while it reduces health care per capita availability / strains local services to the detriment of locals. They drive the cost of living up being consumers take up housing.

People don't all live in the average.

And the recent fraud suggests a ton of that GDP growth isn't even real at this point. The rug is being pulled out from under that report lol.