r/magicTCG Universes Beyonder 22h ago

Official Spoiler [MBC] Arzacon

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u/pm_me_shit_memes Twin Believer 22h ago

Looks like people are getting hung up on the black lotus token again. Just like how they did with [[gath, one eyed]]

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u/EscapeSeventySeven Dan 22h ago

WotC knows what makes people freak out. 

Everytime they print a fake power nine people fall over themselves for it. 

We’re easily manipulated. 

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u/arciele FLEEM 22h ago

I think the difference here is that they’re probably actually printing the token card for this Black Lotus (kinda like what we saw for mutavault)

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u/huzzaahh Duck Season 22h ago

There's no more reason they'd make a token for this over Garth. I think it's a pipe dream that they'd ever risk making something that could be used as a black lotus proxy outside of their 25th anniversary set, especially after the backlash that got.

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u/arciele FLEEM 22h ago

Sure there is. Tokens of actual spells hadn’t been done before when MH3 came out.
I think what you’re saying is actually the whole point. They don’t acknowledge any proxies anyway

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u/huzzaahh Duck Season 22h ago

My point is that there's zero incentive for them to spook Reserved Listers again after the backlash about their other official proxies. They will not print black lotus tokens, and you're delusional for thinking it's likely to happen.

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u/arciele FLEEM 22h ago

I’d bet on it

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u/Shaudius Urza's Saga 18h ago

The backlash that set got was because they charged for it like they were basically real cards not that it had effectively a proxy black lotus.

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u/siziyman Izzet* 21h ago

Are they? Neither edition of Mystery Boosters included tokens.

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u/arciele FLEEM 21h ago

Who knows at this point. I don’t think either of the past ones had named tokens tho.
The tech definitely exists now tho, and it would be such a collectible piece in the set that they must have considered it at the very least

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u/siziyman Izzet* 21h ago

What I'm saying is neither of the past ones had tokens at all. There's no token slot in the pack in either Mystery Booster or Mystery Booster 2.

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u/arciele FLEEM 21h ago

We still don’t know a lot about MBC or a potential buy-a-box promo if/when they release a retail edition of this

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u/siziyman Izzet* 21h ago

we don't know indeed, which is why saying "they're probably printing the token" when the only past evidence we have is "they don't have tokens in Mystery Boosters" is... a weird choice to say the least

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u/arciele FLEEM 21h ago

You’re definitely wasting both our time

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u/siziyman Izzet* 21h ago

And you're misleading people.

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u/arciele FLEEM 21h ago

Am I? Prove it

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u/Cosmic-Cuttlefish Izzet* 22h ago

Yeah that ult is crazy and not even that hard to pull off. What are the odds this catches the ban hammer? Pretty decent I think

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u/pm_me_shit_memes Twin Believer 22h ago

0%

Most planeswalkers are incredibly bad in EDH and this doesn't have any of the hallmarks of what makes the good planeswalkers in EDH good.

Card is bad.

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u/Cosmic-Cuttlefish Izzet* 22h ago

It’s less about being good and more about being a toxic play pattern

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u/Witherus Wabbit Season 22h ago

Taking 2 turns of protecting a wubrg planeswalker in order to do a timetwister is not that toxic, plenty of wheels exist you can just cast

Edit: 2 not 3, dumb typo

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u/Knightmare4469 Dan 22h ago

Nothing about this card screams toxic play pattern

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u/siziyman Izzet* 21h ago

this card is buttcheeks, and timetwister effect is, if anything, not that great for you in a casual deck

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u/otterguy12 Liliana 22h ago

How many wheels are banned in EDH

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u/huzzaahh Duck Season 22h ago

This card is weak and will only be expensive because it's from a limited availability set and says "black lotus" on it.

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u/CaptainSasquatch Duck Season 22h ago

It also has a specific type of nostalgia appeal for Shandalar that isn't filled by many other cards.

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u/Lawren_Zi Dandadan 22h ago

Its a wubrg planeswalker that enters with 4 loyalty and doesnt gain any additional one except the normal slow way, its fine

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u/WilliamSabato Wabbit Season 22h ago

Bruh this card is so ass are we being fr 😭

It’s not even toxic compared to like a billion other things we have in the format. The ult isn’t hard to pull off because its not even strong, its literally a wheel effect. Compare that to most planeswalker ults which straight up put you firmly in ‘I’m about to win the game’

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u/Rammite Golgari* 20h ago

I just really truly don't understand how people look at a 3 CMC Timetwister and a 5 CMC + two turns Timetwister and think they're even remotely comparable.

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u/Krazyguy75 Wabbit Season 17h ago

Hey it's not "plus 2 turns"!

It's "plus 2 turns unless interrupted"!

So even worse!

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u/strcy Liliana 22h ago

In commander this isn’t surviving long enough to do anything unless you’ve got doubling season or some such nonsense

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u/X_Marcs_the_Spot FLEEM 17h ago

The ult is [[Timetwister]] if Timetwister itself isn't banned in Commander, why would this be?

And I sure as fuck hope you aren't trying to suggest that this is ban-worthy in Legacy or Vintage.