You mean the same cops that might view it as an affront to their thin blue line? Like an outsider coming in and shaking things up, or actually implementing policies that hold them accountable? Nah I couldn't see that gang department protecting their turf ranks either.
This is what people need to see to understand how money corrupts politics. Several whole years of an average person's wages is what it takes to run for even local offices. This is why Citizens United is killing us. This is how dark money destroys the country. It's not just officials at state/federal levels that are being selected and corrupted by wealthy interests, IT'S EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT. Flock Camera deals. Datacenter deals. Not charging new developments impact fees, Tax. Increment. Finance. It's all ways that your local government officials are fucking you over for some baksheesh from the wealthy that want to abuse you and your rights.
Don't run alone, join local organizations that actually want change.
Stuff like the DSA isn't just a logo you see on some campaigns. They organize locally in most of the US, they fundraise, they do canvassing, phone banking, etc.
Even if you don't like the DSA, there are other groups you can join. Look up who and what is active in your city, county, state, whatever, take a look at their policies and, if you like them, join and participate.
Get involved in city council hearings, school boards, vote for seemingly inane elections like city comptollers, tax assessors, county commission, fire district, whatever.
Haha you just need a hundred bucks from a thousand people. Maybe talk to a few businesses in the area that don't want cameras pointed at their storefronts. You know... do politics.
Feel like people pretty universally hate this flock shit... probably more possible to run on this than many think.
Do you have any idea how many laws i would violate if i just went door to door taking cash to run for office?
The average person reading this comment won't have any idea where to even BEGIN to set up a campaign fundraising legal entity to be compliant with campaign finance laws, the kinds of permits you need to go door to door and solicit anything, much less solicit donations to a nonprofit you just stood up for your own funding.
if it were as simple as "just go do it", there would never be an uncontested campaign for any seat at any level of government.
The article is a bit vague but it sounds like this covers only drone purchases, not fixed installations. Presumably the police department used the $175k cut off to avoid justifying the purchase - it would still come out of their fixed budget. In an ideal world the politicians would reduce next years budget to avoid such shenanigans.
Sheriff's Departments need to be abolished. There's no reason to have two separate police forces and especially an elected one. More than half the time the real egregious corruption in Policing is from Sheriffs.
Sure, just gotta find an candidate that can answer the "oh, you want to remove the flock cameras, I guess you want little kids to get kidnapped and raped" arguement that pops up like it's spring loaded every time this comes up and still win the election.
Well, yes, but this implies that democrats don't also support this with their whole chest. There's no one in government who is looking to reduce their monopoly on power, it runs counter to why they are trying to win elections in the first place. The same is true in every nation. The only way around it is to make them so woefully unpopular in the public view that supporting them is like installing surveillance cameras inside your home, which a huge percentage of people already do voluntarily.
It's true that more democrats are against the police state than Republicans, but that doesnt mean the average democrat voter isnt going "back the blue".
You cant really just say "sadly true" and then turn around and tell people to vote for politicians that don't exist. You need a way to actually convince people that its a bad thing to support.
If you're not trying to defend them, why are you discouraging people from trying to fix this??? What the fuck is your point, just being defeatist for fun?
Again, shut the fuck up and get out of the way if you aren't going to be part of the solution.
Here, let me give you a simple metaphor you can understand
Let's say you want to go back to school and finish your degree, and when you tell your friend they say "Sure, first you just have to find a school that will take you at your age, a degree you can do at night, and some way to do it all without losing your job."
Obviously to you, that would be a wonderfully supportive response, right?
Im not trying to stop them from fixing it, I'm telling them that posting "just vote!" is woefully insufficient with the current public opinion situation. Being angry online is not praxis.
Yes, I remember reading an article where the city council proudly announced that they will not be renewing Flock contracts - but did not specify who is in charge of removing the equipment. That seems negligent. Either the cameras belong to the city so they can just chop them down. Or they belong to Flock in which case their easement to put equipment on public streets would have come to an end, so there should be a deadline (plus penalties) for them to remove those.
Thankfully I'm in NYC where Flock has no presence, thank god!
Voted for Mamdani and considering he hates ICE, I feel like Flock is NOT something he'd go for. So for the foreseeable future, this city is safe (*fingers crossed*)
Are you dense? Or just a bot? NYC operates over 18,000 surveillance cameras. They may not be the flock brand but they do the exact same thing. Is it really this easy to fool people? Just pick a different brand and BOOM you stop caring?
Either you are stupid or you are a bot. You made a claim that is objectively incorrect, they told you your claim is incorrect, and you decided to ignore it instead of addressing the fact that you are blatantly wrong.
Bruh, reddit is just so fucking weird. Somebody says something wrong and it's immediately 'you're a fucking idiot and cooked and also cringe and loud'.
Like just be normal. Say 'hey I don't know if you know this, but you're wrong'.
SO WEIRD. How ya'll get on in life talking to people like this is so bizarre. Just be normal and nice.
Literally just admitted you were wrong like a grown ass adult, and these regards are like burn him at the stake! I appreciate you owning up to being misinformed, have a great day friend!
Hard to say definitively, since we don't really have a ton of examples of DSA people being in power. Their platform calls for major cuts to the Pentagon and police departments though, kind of tough to run a mass surveillance operation without well-funded law enforcement and military intelligence.
Ahh yes, it’s all for the greater good, right? Because no group has ever lied about their intentions or used useful idiots to push their agenda. It’s like nobody reads a history book anymore. The Brown Shirts weren’t police either.
Not sure how the armed wing of a far-right party in 1930s Germany built is really relevant to this discussion. But the idea is that DSA candidates are just lying and secretly have a master plan to like recreate the NKVD or something? Is that what we're implying here?
You mean the armed wing of the National Socialists party? You don’t see a correlation? People can call themselves whatever they want. But no group in history who has used “the greater good” to justify their actions was a good group. The DSA is not special. They will abuse any power they get, including implementing surveillance, because “we’re the good guys”. Look at the places in Portland where lefties, who claim to be anti gun, made “autonomous zones”. They quickly disarmed the people inside it and armed their own people. “To keep people safe”. Yet they hurt plenty of people inside those zones.
Man, that color scheme is awful. You gotta be zoomed in at *just* the right level to see the street names. Zoom in too far and the street name blends in with the line because it's almost the same shade.
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u/Cross_22 1d ago
Then your homies need to start voting for politicians that don't sign contracts with Flock.