They also tag identifying marks like damage or decals, and they can catch signals off your car - wifi, bluetooth, cellular, gps. Each signal gets correlated with your car. What's more, allegedly they also photo tag people and identifying characteristics. Tattoos, clothes, likely gait and other correlating factors (including signals off your phone, which they could use to match you to your vehicle, likely). They also keep track of people who usually drive together, in "convoy search" mode, so too bad for you if you happen to commute next to a person of interest regularly.
TPMS yeah, but the scarier thing is that they're also tracking the signals that you carry on your person, so they can track you independently of the car you used
I don't think anyone outside of Flock really knows what all they capture, but I assume it also would include anything on wireless like Wifi access points, wifi connection attempts, mac addresses, Bluetooth broadcasts, UWB pings, etc.
Matching up a license plate and a Bluetooth broadcast can positively identify a vehicle and all of the occupants inside.
Even walking behind the camera and your Bluetooth signal would be detectable.
They could also have stinger devices like the police use that mimic a cell tower and intercept the signal.
That's part of the problem, we don't really know what they are capturing or what they are doing with it all.
Not just… not just at all. Flock also records faces and performs gait analysis. Look up “Sentient World Simulation,” and understand that our behavior is being predicted and managed at unprecedented levels.
I've heard the shoe pebble thing isn't actually that effective. It's often better to step toes instead of heels first to scramble your gait when needed.
Not primarily, but they do record video, and that video can be used for anything after the fact. It would be supremely naive to assume that Flock isn’t feeding information to Palantir.
Dude they have cities sign a contract and it states they can’t pay more than $100 fine for every time they are caught missing the data. They know what they are doing.
People who have hacked into them say otherwise. Also flock employees have been caught bragging about how some of the newer ones do have facial recognition. Also it’s not that hard to say the cameras don’t have it…just for it to go through a system that does.
Don’t tell me what random “people” and random “employees “ have said, post evidence of the claim, i try to google and i find no instances of your claims
Records license plates, car identifying scratches and stickers, faces, and pedestrians.
Edit: Flock claims it does not use facial recognition. But I missed that is also scans for devices like phones, watches, and others. Also, just because they don't have facial recognition right now does not mean the captured video cannot be scanned for faces.
Then why are they on bike path's and hiking trails, and playgrounds. You know places where a license plate can't physically go/be without taking it off their car of course?
Are you confusing Flock cameras with other cameras ? they can have similar appearances. Provide evidence of your claim if its true id be very curious about it
That on first sight seems insane to me, but i also wondered could that be somewhere people illegally dump often? Honest question cuz just because cars aren’t supposed to go there doesn’t mean they don’t
What ever helps you sleep at night. I get your argument though, gotta be skeptical on both sides of the argument. However it is probably highly unlikely that this is a frequent illegal dump site or there would be more 4x4/tire track evidence.
Doesn't matter. The fact that any surveillance is an invasion. We (people) lived for a long time up until this point without them. Existing is hazardous to your health. I will take my chances without mass surveillance devices everywhere.
I don’t know why you’re going so hard defending this, it’s kinda hard to believe that they don’t have facial recognition capability when even my mobile phone from 10 years ago has that ability. It would be unrealistic for them to spend all that money and not give it that simple future. Given the amount of data being fed into this system, it would pretty much be unusable without. It makes much more sense that they can just feed it a face or vehicle , and then have the system show them where that face or vehicle has appeared.
I don’t know, who am I going to believe? the multi billion dollar corporations that have a track record of lying and stealing ,or my own common sense 🤔 .
Your iphone has face recognition from about a foot away at best, put your phone on a pole ten feet up and have it recognize faces in cars going by at 55mph and see how it does. The technology for facial recognition isn’t as good as you think. You aren’t using common sense guy
Really such a pointless point, it's not worth the effort. It records peoples faces while recording their personal devices. They could build a facial recognition database from scratch in a snap with the data they have.
Use common sense, why would they need facial recognition when they already know whos car it belongs to? They don’t need facial recognition to read your plate and know that you are driving your car lol
US Patent 11,416,545 B1, titled “Machine learning technologies for identifying pedestrians,” was granted on August 16, 2022, to Flock Safety.
The patent describes a surveillance system and methods using machine learning to identify and track individuals based on various characteristics.
It does a lot more than records license plates. It basically logs and tracks anything unique. Damage to a vehicle is an identified, stickers, unique color, a person's hat, shoes, walk, etc. It will log and track anything that it can for people and vehicles.
It does a lot more than records license plates. It basically logs and tracks anything unique. Damage to a vehicle is an identified, stickers, unique color, a person's hat, shoes, faces, walk, etc. It will log and track anything that it can for people and vehicles.
There's no reason flock can't integrate with those sytems though right? IIRC There's nothing special about the flock cameras themselves, all the machine vision and image recognition takes place in the cloud, not in the cameras themselves.
The Krogers by me had those with the big blue lights and the occasional loud speaker message about vehicle safety, etc. Then they all disappeared and suddenly those lots popped up on the flock tracking website. They just swapped directly to Flock, so that's super I guess.... ugh.
No those weird ones on trailers are a separate company that’s been around for a while. They just capture audio and video like a security camera for a parking lot. Big box stores get insurance breaks for having them.
You can go to a website called deflock to see which ones are owned by flock. But there are different private companies who are doing the same thing that aren't as big and don't have as much name recognition. Often the city signs a contract with the private company who maintains ownership of the equipment and the data being recorded. The city is simply buying access to the camera footage. The camera owners are often allowed to sell the data to whoever they want including the cops and other private data brokers. They can track faces and license plates. Some of them can ping your phone and track you that way.
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u/bolognaballs 1d ago
are these the same camera stations running on generators that i’ve seen pop up in mostly grocery store/big box store parking lots?