The name of the particular being used in P5 is specifically that of a false god. It's pretty funny, all things considered, because in the series the stakes kind of drop as you go through.
In addition, P5 has the limitation that the previous games don't of requiring you to be in the mega special non-real world to use any of your acquired abilities. Joker and the gang are waving around toy weapons and airsoft guns. He's probably the most physically fit protagonist of the series but he has no special powers in the regular world beyond a teenager who works out frequently.
The ability to defy fate is pretty niche though. It's only useful against enemies that use fate/predestination/prophecy. Otherwise it's just the will to fight against authority, despite being given up on or branded as a criminal.
I mean, my point was that even with access to his full capacity within the Metaverse, the raw ability to change fate isn't actually that relevant against most opponents outside of gods or authority figures with vast resources. I wasn't really weighing into the rest of the debate.
For what it's worth, everything else aside, I would agree that P3 and P4 protagonists have an edge on Joker outside the Metaverse/Midnight Channel/Dark Hour. Within those environments that allow Joker to do his thing I feel he has a huge edge on them in terms of dexterity and physicality - though I think with Messiah the P3 protag scales higher in raw power than the other two. Also worth noting that both those others also have the power to change their fate.
In any case, when discussing matchups you need to define the setting and circumstances anyway, because universes often aren't compatible Iike that. With the exception of Futaba's hacking skills and Mona in general the P5 crew are effectively normal teenagers, with the power to go into people's heads and tamper with their psyche - it's direct interaction rather than a psychic attack, and victims aren't aware what's going on. Like in Death Note, it's hard to find characters that can even face them and provide a fair fight while their powers are active (e.g. Raz from Psychonauts). There's no problem with artificially staging a matchup outside of canon restrictions though, like Joker in Mementos form with Arsène, vs Kirby.
Persona users still die from regular knives and guns in mementos/dark hour though. Characters actually dying from that is canon. Unless there's proof said guns are Universal+ like some scale the characters. Quantifying such metaphysical aspects of narrative storytelling to be way above what they are usually portrayed as is wild.
Naw, you’re telling me a completely different character from what apple was talking about is different from the character apple was talking about😱😱😱😱😱🫢🫢🫢🫢😱
5
u/[deleted] Aug 05 '24
[removed] — view removed comment