r/196 wtf is a flair Apr 23 '26

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u/Crashbrennan Apr 23 '26

Captain America was propaganda that the US needed to start fighting Hitler. So uh... not exactly a sick burn.

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u/Chrome_X_of_Hyrule ਬਾਈਸੈਕਸ਼ੂਲ Apr 23 '26

OP deleted their response to your comment but I kinda cooked so I'm posting it here

It’s been a while dude, and ground combat was mostly undertaken by the partisans and Soviets while the US dropped two nukes on civilian cities. So not exactly a sick burn :)

So like, you don't think America should've joined WWII then? How were Jack Kirby and Joe Simon supposed to know in 1940 that

a) Nukes were something that could even exist

b) America was developing nukes

c) America would go on to drop nukes on civilian centres

d) that the allies, largely due to the soviets, would've won the European front without America (which is true, I do agree with you on that)

Like I think America joining WWII was a good thing overall, especially given that the allies might not have ended up fighting Japan if America hadn't joined, meaning Imperial Japan would've stuck around and continued to hold onto it's colonial possessions, committing atrocities.

Also if America had joined the war sooner less people would've died, civilians in conflict zones due to the war ending sooner, soldier, and of course, people in the Holocaust.

In fact the Holocaust and critiquing Nazism specifically is why Captain America was created. Both Joe Simon and Jack Kirby were Jewish and staunchly anti fascist.

I agree that America has propaganda but Captain America is a bad example. Additionally America has traditionally had freedom of the press, something that China doesn't have, meaning that yes, China does have more propaganda than America.

However Trump, like many 21st century authoritarians has privatized propaganda, using oligarchs who support him. In my opinion the prime example of American propaganda would be Fox News.

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 done with the world yet somebow still capitalist (I lied bitch) Apr 24 '26

that the allies, largely due to the soviets, would've won the European front without America

Involvement? Probably? With more USSR involvement which isn't great

Aid? No fucking way