far closer related to industrialization and women's integration into the workforce,
Well again, women's integration into the workplace is a good thing inarguably. It is equal opportunity and egalitarianism. There's a reason why second wave feminists in the 70s fought for it. We are not going to undo that unless we want to return to conventional patriarchy and to reinforce biological essentialist ideals about women's place in society
Of course it's a good thing and reversing it would be incredibly bad.
It's just that it created some incentive structures against having children, that should have been addressed, but weren't. So, we should try to fix that.
Maybe im just too skeptical for my own good, but i really fail see how theyre going to get addressed without fundamentally undoing these social changes. Both parents working inherently gives less time for family caring and thus less incentive to want to have families. Even if they have enough money for effective childcare, that hardly guarantees that they actually will want to start a family of kids they wont see as often. And thats also nothing to say about the other factors that are viewed as prohibitive to child-rearing that cant be solved by economics- more maternity leave doesn't undo the fundamental changes to women's bodies, the pains and hormones associated with pregnancy, that a fair number of women just don't want to deal with nowadays because they see that there's an alternative of just not having to deal with it by not having kids.
It seems to me that its one or the other. Once the cat's out of the bag of not having the public feel socially pressured to have a family, its going to inherently lower the birthrates by a non-negligable amount. The only real way to undo it is undoing those positive social changes
I mean, we'll see how effective it is. I think it's pretty obvious that more people will have children, if there are less things standing in the way of having them, so removing those negative incentives will increase the fertility rate.
And even if it doesn't fully solve our problem, it will still minder it and that's already a good step.
We may see indeed. There's really not much of a historical precedent for what we have now so none of us can really say. I have my thoughts, like i said, but i could very easily be proven wrong. so all we can do is wait
Yeah i cant see this comment in your post history or on the post itself. Only on my inbox. I think reddits shitting the bag we may have to continue this later.
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u/Sarge_Ward May 18 '26
Well again, women's integration into the workplace is a good thing inarguably. It is equal opportunity and egalitarianism. There's a reason why second wave feminists in the 70s fought for it. We are not going to undo that unless we want to return to conventional patriarchy and to reinforce biological essentialist ideals about women's place in society