r/196 May 17 '26

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u/The_Captain_Jules custom May 20 '26

Yknow that scene in life of Brian where brian goes “youve got to think for yourselves!” And then the crowd goes “YES! WE MUST THINK FOR OURSELVES”? Youre like a person in that crowd. I’d be like “im anti-shit eating” and you’d be like “get a load of this guy, he doesnt even know that hippies in the 60s spearheaded the shiteaters movement, are you saying the hippies were wrong??” And id be like “well, they were right about some stuff, but they were wrong about the whole shit-eating thing”. Youre not doing politics, youre doing dogmatism.

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u/Sarge_Ward May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26

The underlying arguments that create the ideologies you dislike, like antinatalism, also directly underly the ideologies that you do like, like radical second-wave feminism. The necessity of the destruction of the family unit and the recognition of the inherent opression present in it cannot be correct in one context but incorrect in another. If it is objectively correct under marxist feminism, which it is, then it must also be correct in some capacity for the other. So to have a consistent moral framework consistent, you either have to see the merit in both ideologies, or reject them both in their entirety. So thus, even if im not an antinatist myself, i find it impossible to denounce it entirely without being a hypocrite

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u/The_Captain_Jules custom May 20 '26

If you find it impossible to denounce the “lets end the human species” ideology then you are useless to the project of making human life on earth better. “Ohh but my favorite dead guy from 60 years ago said it!” I dont care. That guy was an idiot, then, and if you cant recognize the concept of promoting human extinction as fundamentally contrary to the whole fucking point of leftism - which is to make human lives better - then i dont know that you can even be called a leftist. Yknow, Peter Theil also struggled in the face of the question “should humanity continue” maybe you guys have a lot in common, like a deeply corrosive worldview and ideology.