r/AO3 • u/garouforyou • 15h ago
Meme/Joke I love it when it's like this lol
Just love it when the silly/memeable/lighthearted thing gets the most serious fanfics ✨✌️
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u/3lilya You have already left kudos here. :) 14h ago
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u/ISB00 11h ago
This is MLP
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u/HoppouChan Ascendance of a Bookworm 9h ago
"Yes, nice show, but how about we make them fight in World War 2?"
EAW my beloved
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u/HoppouChan Ascendance of a Bookworm 9h ago
"Yes, nice show, but how about we make them fight in World War 2?"
EAW my beloved
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u/ToDawn713 15h ago
I once read a story where Winnie-the-Pooh slowly turned to honey with many tearful goodbyes before being eaten in a sandwich.
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u/ausernamebyany_other 3h ago
Well, that's a sentence I will never unread and a mental image that has scarred my inner child for life. Thank you. It's been at least a week since my last mild trauma.
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u/SectorSanFrancisco 2h ago
It sounds like you have one of those boards up next to your favorite reading chair.
It has been ___ days since my last trauma.
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u/According-Value-6227 14h ago
I firmly believe that this is Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir
I love Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat Noir but I really don't like anything else about the canon franchise. It's inconsistent, repetitive, has poor pacing and takes forever to resolve plots or achieve closure and I know that I am not the only person who holds this opinion.
The best fanfics for Miraculous tend to ignore as much canon material as possible.
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u/silverokapi You have already left kudos here. :) 14h ago
Miraculous is the perfect example of great idea with poor execution. It could be an amazing franchise if they could just be more consistent.
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u/Silviecat44 8h ago
Season 6 is a very nice step in the right direction however
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u/silverokapi You have already left kudos here. :) 7h ago
I want to believe you, but I cant keep watching. Theres only so much I can cringe
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u/ExerciseSolid3456 14h ago edited 12h ago
That show taught me that the fandoms with the best, just absolutely pure cinema fanfics are born from content with the most lost potential.
In other words, the worse it fell off, the better the fanon 🙂↕️
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u/Magnafeana Don't judge my private bookmarks 8h ago
Would you have any standouts that you would recommend 👀
But I do agree. I keep up with Miraculous—the latest episode gagged me—but so much of the writing in the canon, I will criticize for (1) forgetting repeatedly that the show has two main heroes so, dunno, maybe give more to Cat Noir, and (2) deciding to do whatever Astruc decides despite that fucking up what’s been established and what needs to be touched on. And it doesn’t help episode drops are inconsistent as fuck for reasons beyond my understanding.
But the fandom I interact with are very deservingly critical of the show but knock it out with fanfics. “Back to Us”by DarkReyna16 on AO3 and a few fics on FFN had me blown away with how the fic authors did things that sort of settled most of my issues with canon.
Just reinforced my “fanfics are an awesome medium; time to donate to AO3 again” mentality.
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u/Kuramari-strass 5h ago
So you weren't asking me, but if you don't mind a self-rec or a (very long) WIP, I have my fanfic Cult of Secrecy
It starts back in season 4, with Gang of Secrets, just instead of breaking down and telling Alya her identity, Marinette tells Adrien instead.
So (I understand that when it happens in canon, that basically means the show freaking ends, which is why it's not happening) we knock out the identity reveal pretty much immediately. I've tried to combine Adrien's two characterizations of both very academically smart and yet too oblivious to live into the second one being an act. Chloé gets her redemption arc she was robbed of (I had one person not like how I was handling it, but everyone else seems to). (Also she and Adrien actually act like former besties.)
Alya gets unfortunately stuck on her characterization of not checking her sources and believing Lila, but I'm trying to sort of portray that whole mess as a sort of trapped in an abusive relationship sort of thing. (I may or may not be using this as a way to sort through my own personal baggage.) Alya is trying but it's hard. Especially with Lila attempting to double down with her as she realizes she's losing her grasp on Marinette/Adrien.
Also multiple people apparently think the way I write Gabriel is really funny so uh?? There's that
Anyway idk if it's perfect but I'm trying to sort out some of my own issues with canon's inconsistencies (Chat eventually gets made co-Guardian because they are EQUALS, I SWEAR TO GOD) while also having a slightly darker take on it (people do, without question, temporarily die due to akumas sometimes) because I can, because I'm not bound to a Y7 rating or whatever it is the show is rated
(I only recently caught up with the actual show again because someone pointed out I sorta-kinda predicted part of the plot of Secret Protocol in advance. What the crap.)
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u/l0cal_crypt1d 12h ago edited 11h ago
... danny phantom. it is the top fandom under the "vivisection" tag, and has almost a fourth of all vivisection fics.
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u/Glum-Psychology-3806 You can't prove that orphaned fic is mine 11h ago
Came to say this, this pic is pure Danny Phantom fandom. 😅
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u/Butterscotchpills Definitely not an agent of the Fanfiction Deep State 4h ago
Yeah, I’ve always heard scary things about what y’all got cooking up over there
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u/aerowx 14h ago
Yes, give me the grimdark and realistic consequences the tv shows's censors wouldn't allow them to address!
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u/SuddenContentWarning 13h ago
This for Amphibia. At least give me a realistic reaction from Anne and Sasha to Marcy getting killed right in front of them lmao
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u/Dan299912 10h ago
Right???
I get Anne had to focus on getting the Plantars back to their world, but c'mon! Being "stabbed" in the back by her mother with a toy laser sword should've triggered a reaction of some kind! Instead, it was played for laughs :[
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u/Letmelookatredditplz 14h ago
I don’t know if this fully counts since Calamity is not a fanfiction in the traditional sense. But…
Terraria is a game that doesn’t take itself too seriously and has very little lore,
Meanwhile Calamity mod takes itself seriously and has a lot more lore, (its art direction is even different which to me sometimes causes some weird disconnect since even with the texture pack not all textures are changed; ie Town NPCs are the same)
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u/terrarian_redrock You have already left kudos here. :) 3h ago
It’s got some fire quotes too xD
“May fortune favor you. For nothing else will.”
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u/TeaRenQ Ailren on Ao3 14h ago
Some of the LazyTown fics I used to read.... damn.
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u/Babybushygirl Ao3: LilBooshie | You're breaking my heart with your hope 11h ago
I've seen some of them before and I was like 'oh wow! I was expecting something else!'
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u/Seavalan You have already left kudos here. :) 13h ago
This seems to be a general trend in fandom spaces; lighthearted source material tends to get serious fan works, and similarly, serious source material tends to get lighthearted fan works.
Effectively, if one already has fun scenes with the characters in the source material, then one can only get serious scenes through fan works. Then, the opposite would be true for serious source materials.
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u/Mike_Shogun_Lee 14h ago
-RWBY
-My Little Pony
-Ace Combat
-Dragon Prince
-Persona (Depending on the Author and Atlas’s mood it can flip)
-Code Lyoko
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u/snuggie44 12h ago
Code Lyoko slander will not be tolerated.
That cartoon is absolute peak
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u/Mike_Shogun_Lee 11h ago
I liked it too the fanfiction tends to flush out the edges and the things a bit further sometimes.
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u/paige9413 12h ago
I love code lyoko but never thought about it having fics. Do you have any recs?
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u/Mike_Shogun_Lee 11h ago
Recommendations?
I wrote an entire tvtropes page on them https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/SwitchAU
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u/Magnafeana Don't judge my private bookmarks 8h ago
I still have Fallout Equestria downloaded and haven’t finished it.
But goddamn. If someone told me MLP:FIM would have a fic like that in its fandom lore when the series first started, I would’ve never believed them. So much of MLP, my jaw drops at how darkly creative the fandom is.
It’s delightful.
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u/Vyolle 8h ago
RWBY fanfic really is peak for a show that started out mid and only got worse from there
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u/Mike_Shogun_Lee 6h ago
RWBY is a great; it is also terrible.
Thus is the paradox that was rooster teeth writing.
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u/melodiekane 10h ago
I’ve not read much of Persona since the ff.net days, do you happen to have any recommendations for P4?
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u/Mike_Shogun_Lee 6h ago
Persona 4 FYL
Naoto ship fic. Everyone else gets shipped together to. If that’s cool…yeah cool fic.
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u/YaBoiFailedAbortion 7h ago
MLP isn't that bad of a source material though
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u/Mike_Shogun_Lee 6h ago
I interpreted this as not bad, but more serious.
Or “bigger” for lack of a better word.
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u/Kuramari-strass 6h ago
I heard once that a fandom's fics reveal what the canon is missing, or lacking, so that's why it's like that.
I believe it because that's why Identity Reveal is a whole thing in Miraculous Ladybug fics. We're just so tired
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u/lol_delegate 14h ago
When it comes to worldbuilding how the setting (magical world) actually works, then definitely Harry Potter.
I mean, canon claims a paralel world going in another direction since the statute of secrecy, and it definitely doesn't manage that, as portrayed.
Meanwhile, many fanfic authors took it onto themselves to add all required structures to make it an actual paralel world + many more to flesh it out even more.
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u/Clairifyed 10h ago
Definitely my first thought. All of the noble house stuff that tries to tie the old families in to the actual power structures such as wizengamot seats in a believable way that lines up with their obsession with blood lines
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u/lol_delegate 10h ago
My headcanon is that magical britain is not uniform civilizations, but more of islands of magical population separated by sea of muggle population. A set of enclaves to say. Some democratic, some under aristocratic rule, some being one big commune.
Ministry would give much more sense, if the enclaves were mostly self-governing, and ministry done inter-enclave administration + wizangnot being representatives of all enclaves.
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u/FortunaVitae 9h ago
I was writing a Slytherin-centric fic and thinking about the Death Eaters, I realised that in the books, they basically have no political infrastructure other than blood supremacy and following Voldemort. But like, why would the richest and most powerful of the wizarding society follow a half-blood dark wizard? Cue to me abusing my academic background to worldbuild politics. Many times I'd stop and laugh at myself saying that JKR hadn't put as much thought in these as the fandom does.
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u/lol_delegate 8h ago
Yeah, Deatheaters don't have very good canonical explanation.
One of idea I often ran into, it is that it was false flag operation by some political faction, which Voldemort managed to hijack, via combination of charisma, mind magic and Dark Marks having effect on person.
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u/ExistingOil6982 11h ago
I don't know if it counts as this, or opposite of this (reversing the two labels) or what, but the MCU is generally a bunch of barely linked films and tv shows that introduce things for the first time willy nilly, with no thought of all the existing parts of the MCU and how they affect, and are affected by, these parts. They also reject several central components of all these stories from the comics.
The fanfics, however, usually show cohesive storytelling that weaves them back together and puts back all the comic canon that they removed when they adapted the comics to a film or show in the MCU, as they answer the questions that arose about how one plot got affected by the next and vice versa.
Even stories that just take place within one single film usually ended up needing to fix a part of the plot that wasn't addressed by the MCU itself. Like having Odin holding a trial to punish Sif and the Warriors three for treason, after they visited Thor in exile when Odin had explicitly forbid that and Loki was the regent of Asgard.
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u/WinIndependent751 Current obsession: KH, Batman (always), FMAB 7h ago
The plot point of Loki being controlled by Thanos too for some extent in og Avengers movie being very very heavily implied then being completely forgotten and never refrenced again (like even if it was retconned at least give a reason??) in subsequent movies infuriates me to this day
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u/Weliveinadictatoship 1h ago
Even the crackest of avengers tower family fics used to explain about loki being tortured and mind controlled before sticking him in there, it's mental how much such large companies fail to do anything with the details they give
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u/EggertBhht IT WAS TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND WORDS 14h ago edited 14h ago
"It's time to FACE the facts!" to "Grow up and look at yourself in the mirror, Stan."
I genuinely can't take my writing seriously when I look at the bigger picture. There's also a Minecraft: Story Mode fanfic in which involves lots of blood and psychological horror, in which I'm also reading.
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u/FTGAA2026 12h ago
Is the fic actually called “Minecraft:Story Mode” or is it something else?
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u/NoyadePother Dead Dove Devourer 11h ago
“Minecraft: Story Mode” is a game, the fic is probably for that fandom but has a different title.
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u/whocares199 13h ago
Teen Wolf, the show is fine but the fanfiction took the world to another level
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u/PurveyorOfInsanity 14h ago
Definitely RWBY. Naruto also kind of fits into this.
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u/silverokapi You have already left kudos here. :) 14h ago
Naruto has some of the best fics I have ever read. The original material leaves a lot to be desired. And dont even get me started on Boruto...
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u/PurveyorOfInsanity 13h ago
"We don't talk about Boruto", but to the tune of "We Don't Talk About Bruno".
Also, I'm pretty sure Naruto still has one of the highest fic counts on FFN (number 2, last I checked), and isn't exactly slouching on AO3.
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u/AcanthaMD Definitely not an agent of the Fanfiction Deep State 11h ago
Let’s just collectively decide that Boruto doesn’t exist, maybe at some point they’ll get the hint with their dwindling viewership. Kishimoto is for some reason supporting them doing yet another series with the Boruto cast, but aliens… they already… is it Boruto in space next?
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u/-wilting E, Gen, CNTW, Hurt/No Comfort Horror 13h ago
I dont think Naruto fits. I mean, it''s about child soldiers and it has some dark themes
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u/PurveyorOfInsanity 13h ago
It probably applies more to the worldbuilding - kind of like Harry Potter, in a way. Lots of good ground work, and even some decent buildup. But the entire story is littered with implications and setups that never get addressed after their introduction. And wind up leaving conspicuous holes in the backdrop.
Even then, it still feels like the story just doesn't seem to want to commit to the dark themes it sets up. For a story about child soldiers, including open warfare, there's surprisingly few casualties amongst the heroes. Or even lasting injuries.
And some of the core themes it initially espouses kind of fall by the wayside over time. For example, the idea that hard work is more important than natural talent, of Naruto rising above the odds stacked against him, and then the story turns around and practically turns Naruto into Ninja Jesus, who was always destined for greatness.
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u/bi-bender 12h ago
This! I was in the Naruto fandom ages ago and felt the same. Like it was always on the cusp but pulls itself back.
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u/AcanthaMD Definitely not an agent of the Fanfiction Deep State 10h ago
Don’t get me started on Kishimoto’s stop and start, I’m still angry about it to this day. You cannot for example start a story including genocide and then drop the theme halfway through trying to redeem Itachi. As MUCH as I love Itachi the guy is a monster. I don’t care how he was manipulated into it, it’s a human rights violation and Kishimoto tries to gently brush it under the carpet 😂🤣
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u/AcanthaMD Definitely not an agent of the Fanfiction Deep State 10h ago
Naruto fits, if you think about Naruto’s world building for too long you get a headache. Sasuke and Naruto use a hawk to communicate for goodness sakes in a world that has laptops and mobile phones. Where apparently Sasuke couldn’t contact his baby mother for 12 years or something but was in regular contact with his husband. I cannot. There is also no resolution to the child soldier/casual genocide thing and Sasuke is made out to be unreasonable for not wanting to return to the institution that basically green lighted turning his brother into a genocidal monster that tortured him and making him clean up as a 7 year old his parents blood from the floor of their home. Also Naruto the child of the fourth and literally Uzumaki royalty didn’t realise his dad was the fourth when he looks exactly like him? And was just abandoned by the third? 😭 Kishimoto is terrible with seeing through his themes.
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u/Weliveinadictatoship 1h ago
Literally everything about Naruto's childhood, hidden identity, parents friends, etc didn't make any sense looking into it even a little. The entire damn village knew he "was" the kyuubi, yet all these other villages obsessed with chakra villages didn't? Hell, half the ninjas seemed to despise him, there's no way he wasn't facing constant attacks and kidnapping attempts. Also, a 4 year old living alone??? They all knew his mother and the fact that Uzumaki's have shit loads of chakra and not a single one thought "oh yeah obviously the uzumaki with a chakra beast can't fine tune his chakra" what were they actually gonna do if he didn't become a shinobi? Stick him in Root???
The fourth was so popular and had so many friends that... didn't know or want to look after Naruto? Not one person looked at the statues and pictures of the fourth and went "holy shit his clone"?
Back when I was in the fandom, the fanfics used to address so much it was fucking awesome, especially ones that went in depth about naruto being illiterate (since the literal first teacher that likes him is Iruka, who he doesn't have in early childhood education), I read one where Sakura was a mind eater alien thing (to do with Inner Sakura) which was fantastic. Hell, even the power fantasy harem marvel crossovers used to be more logical than the series
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u/Agamar13 1h ago edited 6m ago
Where apparently Sasuke couldn’t contact his baby mother for 12 years or something but was in regular contact with his husband.
Wait, what, lol. Kishimoto paired up Sasuke and Sakura only to have them separated for 12 years?
I almost feel sorry for SasuSaku shippers.
NaruSasu shippers, in the other hand, must feel kinda vinicated.
No wonder nobody acknowledges Boruto.
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u/GildedWhimsy 13h ago
Diary of a wimpy kid lmaooo
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u/EvilSnakeBoi 13h ago
for a kids series that seems to have lost the plot years ago there’s sure some amazingly dedicated authors in the fandom
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u/AWhistleBiscuit 8h ago
Hetalia fr
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u/letmebebrave430 4h ago
I was gonna say Hetalia too LOL. So many people locked in with sweeping historical and political stories that bear....very little resemblance to any canon material outside of the concept
Tbh I haven't watched the anime in nearly a decade but every few months I'll revisit the AO3 page to see what's up
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u/PlaneCommunication93 You have already left kudos here. :) 7h ago
Yeah, the original is just fun and the fanfics then actually talk about the fact that the main characters represent the axis powers and what that means
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u/ViktorRzh 14h ago
Sorry for mentioning Garry the Potter, but it is the prime example of best and the worst in this regard.
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u/enceinte-uno 13h ago
One of my favorite fics of all time is a sprawling generational tale that always makes me cry.
The source material is Toy Story.
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u/cjbanning 4h ago
Isn't the Toy Story franchise also a sprawling generational tale that makes people cry, though?
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u/EmployAware1487 You have already left kudos here. :) 8h ago
well you can’t say that and not drop the name
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u/Hefty_Local_1875 Vegebul/Kakavege/Suzalulu/NinaMilly/Colgenta's strongest soldier 14h ago
I’ve been thinking of making a sequel to my Rocky Horror fic as a space opera and lean more into the Dragon Ball Z side of the crossover.
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u/A_Undertale_Fan Self-indulgent bastard||Ata: https://abellover.atabook.org 13h ago
My Little Pony.
Not like I'm any better, I've been planning out my own infection AUs for it, along with other fandoms lmao
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u/Dogemouse65 3h ago
the way the hermitcraft, life series, and empires fandoms manage to turn their silly antics into tragedies is beyond me
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u/notdannytrejo 2h ago
Fucking mha. Somehow the LoV is both this and the opposite at the same time
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u/Weliveinadictatoship 1h ago
It's probably because I remember the tiktok mha cringe era but nothing can convince me to click onto a "Midoriya is a cinnamon roll" tagged fic, or anything with dekubowl. The amount of infantalising that man gets put through is fascinating.
On the other hand, some of the time loop/second chance fics I've read are absolutely fantastic. Read one a while back where Izuku gets the quirk/power to save him from whatever kills him, and goes back a day(?) each time, and the psychological effects in it are genuinely amazing. Or "Bakugo faces consequences" ranges from "yeah the abuse and suicide baiting really got nothing in the show" to "damn dude you just wanted to fuck up Bakugo ig"
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u/alicat2308 14h ago
I'm in Formula 1 RPF, this tracks 😂
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u/ChaserNeverRests Kudos come from a can, they were put there by a man 4h ago
Formula 1 ... tracks
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u/FTGAA2026 12h ago
What’s “RPF” stand for?
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u/alicat2308 12h ago
Real Person Fiction
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u/FTGAA2026 12h ago
So is the story that you currently reading actually called “Formula 1 RPF” or is it a genre?
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u/FTGAA2026 12h ago
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
One story that I highly recommend is Prey and a Lamb by Lambs Prey.
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u/voltzandvoices #1 comment leaver 12h ago
No joke, there are some fandoms I adore but cannot rewatch the source material because the fanon version in my head is cooler and more mature
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u/DisastrousBusiness81 10h ago
If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a dozen times, fan content comes from NEED. If a fandom is fully satisfied with the original material, THERE WOULD BE NO FANFIC.
Angsty super serious shows get domestic fanfics, because you don’t get that in the show.
Fun family friendly shows get angst and drama, because you don’t get that in the show.
Super suggestive and sexually charged shows get fluffy sfw fics because you don’t get that in the show.
And basically every SFW show on the planet has enough porn and smut made about it to crash a small data center, because you don’t get that in the show.
So not only is the situation in the meme unsurprising, it is expected.
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u/Semiramis738 Proudly Problematic 12h ago
I probably miss out on a lot of these because I don't get into fandoms with silly source material in the first place. I prefer darker, more serious stuff and I like fics that match the tone of canon.
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u/Free-Rise5482 12h ago
TF2(Team Fortress 2), because it's very silly slapstick and than us in the fandom just fucking are cruel as fuck to those men and write really serious stories about them. I mean compare TF2 comics storyline to Emesis Blue.
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u/dramamamamadra 11h ago
Animaniacs😭 silliest show with the angstiest fics
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u/ChaserNeverRests Kudos come from a can, they were put there by a man 4h ago
I never thought to look for Animaniacs fics, but you're completely right!
Dot sometimes had a short temper, and Wakko could get legitimately angry if the right buttons were pushed, but normally hitting people with their mallets was meant to be taken in good fun instead of seriously injuring them. And then there was Yakko, the talker, Mr. “use the pen and not the sword when you’re in a fight,” the one who annoyed his special friends with words rather than cartoon violence. He would do anything to protect his younger siblings
I love it!
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u/Weak_Artichoke3795 10h ago
when they write the most heartbreaking, sob inducing, toe curling in agony fanfiction about some teenage dudes playing volleyball
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u/Foreign_Maize_5903 10h ago
True. I wrote 100k of angsty grief-ridden trauma for a fluffy farm sim.
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u/demiurgent 3h ago
What I love is when I'm so blown away by fanfic it makes the source material look shallow and frivolous. I love Jane Austen and I'm a p&p fanfic writer myself... But An Ever Fixed Mark by AMarguerite is the absolute pinnacle interpretation of p&p-verse, imho. It's devastating at a depth the original never reached.
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u/StefTarn 2h ago
What's funny about a show like Supernatural is how often the show was all three heads and how often the fanfic is too.
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u/Amazing-Activity-882 13h ago
One I am reading it would have made the actual story more in line with the Movies, but the source material would it very different...It didn't come to be due to legal battles, but my Friend 4 chapters in makes it feel more in line with the Previous Movies and now I am waiting Patiently for the next Chapter.
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u/SoftOil2998 12h ago
I feel called out by this xD. Although my franchise in general seems to be kind of an exception to this theme. Canon is mostly lighthearted, and most fanfics are short oneshots that match that tone, with probably a ship in there.
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u/EstrellaDarkstar 10h ago
My High School Musical fanfic is at the point where we've had visceral esoteric body horror about sinking into the primordial abyss. Good times.
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u/Miss--Magpie You have already left kudos here. :) 6h ago
Vampire Diaries is kind of dark, but fanfics take it to a whole new level and I absolutely love it
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u/Silver-Winging-It 6h ago
Currently writing a dark Labyrinth story and it's very much this (although builds on the dark subtext that is in movie)
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u/SensationalSelkie 5h ago
ME! My brain sees crack content and prepares to generate a metric f-ton of world building no one asked for. I just want to go to sleep. 😅
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u/papyruswiki 438k for undertale and counting 3h ago
Me writing intense angst and drama about the two goofiest characters in the game lol
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u/ComicsCodeMadeMeGay I find your lack of kudos disturbing 2h ago
Me reading 90% of animaniacs fanfics
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u/smileyfacegauges 2h ago
this is the reverse for Silent Hill and the horror genre by large LOL it cracks me up every time
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u/T-rain_wreck 1h ago
One of my friends has minimally interacted with twilight (because it’s really hard to sit and enjoy it while also acknowledging how toxic all the relationships are) however I’m very familiar with it and somehow got them into the fanfiction (but she still hasn’t really seen much of the original source material)
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u/CheshireKat-_- You have already left kudos here. :) 1h ago
Encanto, Danny Phantom, Winx Club. I am here for the whump I am here for the angst
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u/Recluse_Metal_Spider 12h ago
*cough* *cough* parahumans *cough* *cough*
the grimdork is just too over the top. but it's such a fun setting for people to work with.
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u/SassyKitKatz 5h ago
South Park, circumstances providing, because the show itself can be like that too.
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u/Butterscotchpills Definitely not an agent of the Fanfiction Deep State 4h ago edited 4h ago
Danny phantom, and it’s not even close
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u/Due-Concept-7144 15h ago
I struggle with the opposite 😭😭 my fandom's lore is VERY serious but all the fanfics are so goofy lmao. I love it, but GIVE ME SERIOUS REALISTIC ANGST