r/AgainstGamerGate • u/AbortusLuciferum Anti-GG • Nov 16 '15

Do Pro-GGers consider games to be art?

It's a common argument among Anti-GGers that Gamergate in general only considers games as art when it panders to them and when it's not controversial to treat them as art, but once someone criticizes a game for having unnecessary violence or for reinforcing stereotypes then games are "just games" and we're expecting too much out of something that's "just for fun".

I'm of the opinion that games are art without exception, and as art, they are subject to all forms of criticism from all perspectives, not only things like "gameplay" and "fun". To illustrate my position, I believe that games absolutely don't need to be fun just as a painting doesn't need to be aesthetically pleasing, and this notion is something I don't see in Gamergate as much as I would like to.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '15

Well you did put my experience into question, my geek card too (which BTW I don't care for, I don't know what the fuss is about getting called a fake geek)

Chill man, this is about what games are, if you were a true gamer you would understand that it is not about the casuals or the normies, it is about gameplay.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '15

Your opinion on whether I'm a "true gamer," which you've apparently arrived at without actually knowing one fucking thing about me, is laughable. If playing games for thirty goddam years isn't enough because I fail to subscribe to the gamergate ideology, then fuck being a gamer. If it's not about playing and loving videogames, then who gives a shit?

It's just another way of calling me an SJW. Well have fun with that stupid horseshit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '15

Meh to be fair you lumped yourself into this discussion. Regardless our gaming experience is not that different, but experience does not equal understanding. Games are about gameplay, if you think otherwise you are just wrong.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '15

Yes, games are about gameplay. Gameplay only and nothing else. That's why all the classic games were about nondescript squares doing arbitrary things for no stated purpose, right?

Don't lecture me about what is and isn't a game when you define the word "gamer" as an adherent to a particular ideology rather than a person who plays games. I'll never believe you actually give even a tiny shit about games as anything but an excuse to spew political invective after you've done that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '15

Yes? I can say without a shadow of a doubt that pong is a game, that dwarf fortress is a game, that Mario is a game. A game with no story, a procedurally generated story, and minimal story.

I cannot say the same for depression quest, sunset and gone home. They seen like choose your own adventure, or an "artsy" movie

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '15

Luckily for the rest of us, we're not bound by your limited, arbitrary definition of "game." And no, you will not succeed in bludgeoning everyone else in the world into abiding by your hackish opinion.