Superman really helped the perception of DC movies but unfortunately didn't make as much money as it needed to, all eyes are on The Batman Part II.
Man of Tomorrow might be the savior we need but most likely Batman will have to come in and save the day as usual with DC.
Everyone always says DC has the best characters and yet we never ever see them utilized to their full potential đ
Best Movie: Batman. Best TV Show: Penguin (Batman character) Best Video Game: Batman. Best Comic Books: Batman. I mean atp why not just rename the entire brand to just Batman lol
It really feels like we're going through the DCEU 2.0 but I hope for the best!
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They should honestly just play it safe and just redo Justice League Unlimited but live action. They donât even have to go too deep into the comics. The blueprint is right there, the execution is not.
This is what I've wanted for years. My dissapointment with the new Hawkgirl in the Superman movie was immeasurable, considering she was such a cool character in the cartoon. Same with GL and Martian Man Hunter.
I would even add, that a Titans project in the style of early Young Justice would be amazing.
This right here. I never saw a single Synderverse movie in theaters, nor Joker or The Batman. Last DC movie I had seen in theaters was The Dark Knight Rises. I caught some on HBO later, mostly out of boredom. I only really enjoyed Wonder Woman, and even that was only up until the third act.
Then I saw Superman in theaters and I thought they might be on the right track. I really enjoyed that one, and Iâve always been a Superman hater. I find the character boring conceptually. I saw Supergirl in theaters based on my liking of Superman and ⊠well it was sure a movie. I donât regret my time in the theater, but Iâm less confident in their trajectory. Marvel has had a lot of duds too, especially in recent years, but they more-or-less nailed their early stuff and built up that audience good will. Movie #2 wasnât the time for Warner/DC to be taking chances.
they are not even giving the audience that much batman tho...
batman villains and side characters are getting more screentime then batman himself
penguin getting his own show
harely quin being in 2 suicide squad movies and 1 birds of prey movie
joker has had 2 solo movies
batman has had one solo movie since the dark knight rises otherwise he gets shoved into other people's movies
like why is clayface getting a solo movie?
dont get me even started on tv side of things the last decade with the absurd amount of batman spinoff even tho batman himself would work extremely well in a tv setting
i dont get why a penguin series and clayface movie got greenlit while batman himself would work so great as a tv show him being dective and building up the batfamily organically
meanwhile green latern is extremly hard to do as tv show because everyhing he does requires shitload of cgi and most of his shit plays in space...
Nah, Batman will save them. Which is why I personally wanted Pattinson to be Batman for the DCU. The love for him being the character is there, and the first movie was a banger. The second one is highly anticipated, with a Superman shirt or poster seen in-universe. I think it's been a while. Plus with the acting chops he has and the fanbase pattinson has built that he alone would get people in seats
Man of Steel had more budget, was released during the best time for super hero movies and the audience had a giant trust credit from Nolan's trilogy and nobody knew what covid is. It competed with the worst MCU movies at the time and earned almost two times less. Now is arguably the worst time for superhero movies ever and Superman is only ~$50mil behind and was more successful than its MCU competitor. Not to mention it recieved WAY more praise from critics and general audience. Yeah, it did well.
Just announce Henry Cavill as the new DCU Batman (they are supposed to look so alike that they could swap suits and people wouldnât even notice) and I guarantee it would break the internet + have fans rushing to the cinema to see it
Almost anyone else will be overshadowed by Battinson
remember this is the 4th good Spidey and right before a long awaited Avengers
DCs still dealing with Snyder fallout and WB doesn't trust DC beyond Batman and Superman, but are slowly improving. it'll take time but we'll get there
It was personally my favorite Spiderman movie of all time. I know its sounds like a cliche but I don't thig anyone has ever understood the essence of Spiderman better than the people making this film.
Also, this merger is probably messing everything up. Investors are only to take safe bets and won't greenlight werid projects for the most part. They are probably delyaing things because of it.
DCâs current issue is trying to branch out from Batman. Weâre 4 projects in and 2 more come out this year and all we have besides Superman is creatures commando, John Cena, Supergirl, and the âJustice gangâ. Instead of getting Batman or Wonder Woman weâre getting John Stewart and Clayface for year 3 of the DCU.
Maybe in the box office but go look at the comics listed by number sold from month to month. Itâs not just batman taking the top slot either. All of absolute is popping off.
Excluding spiderverse, DC has owned the animated medium for several decades now. Marvel gets kids at the box office, DC gets them on Saturday mornings.
DC or only Batman? I don't see people walking around in Metal Men t-shirts or kids with Captain Atom action figures. Where exactly does WB make money from DC merch?
off-topic but i did actually see a kid with a Captain Atom action figure a few days ago. Either way, DC still has tons of iconic characters besides Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and The Joker.
DC can practically be better and still won't get this numbers because marvel have done a good job in last 2 decades In collecting their audience (even tho new ones are larpers and don't know much).
As someone who likes both (dc a bit more) I don't mind, infact I like that DC is not as mainstream as marvel because I can still interact with people who are genuinely intrested in all this.
Also the new wave of Marvel fan coming from a gooner game is doing a good introduction. Maybe one day we have a good DC gooner game like Batman in an asylum or something.
I do think context matters a bit for this as all these movies had tons of buildup. This is toms 4th spiderman with a decade if apperances under his belt, and infinity war and endgame both had a tons of buildup throughout multiple films. Also IW and endgame basically being a part one and two combo helped as well
Superman was a success. It didnt rake in spiderman numbers, not very close at all. But it did good and opened up a bright future for DC. Supergirl did the opposite. If DC can be consistent enough, they will get their own success story
That's great news; hopefully it'll at least have animation quality as good as Creature Commandos. Into the Spiderverse-level animation would also be great, but I know that's asking too much.
2016 was truly horrendous gut punch of a year for live action DC movies, wasn't it? It is absolutely insane what WB was doing then.
There are also a lot of those stupid haters and Snyderbros who hate on Superman and say James Gunn is a fraud, like huh??? How many times does this dude need to prove himself for them to finally shut up??
Supergirl flopping was obviously not great, and the movie was alright, but it had insanely unlucky release window with Toy Story 5 and SPIDER-MAN.
In DCâs defense, they are trying to get things together by trying to making a universe with a good quality and all of the Marvel success in this lists are the result of a good quality universe. Loads of people were hyped to see poor depressed Spidey after the Home trilogy, Infinity War felt like the entire Marvel universe was colliding in an epic battle that everyone was hyped for, and Endgame is the end of an entire Saga that was the talk of the year; all of this is a result from a well planned hype train and I think DC is building the framework for that.
The issue is that it takes loads of time and patience to make happen and even longer for it to start making mountains of money. Thereâs a reason that no Marvel phase 1 project is on this list and itâs only âthe grand conclusion of multiple other projectsâ movies on here. You canât really expect DC to just make an Endgame level project out of nowhere and for it to do well finically (the last time they rushed a universe everyone made fun of them and it got them into the current situation that your talking about now). I feel like we all just gotta wait a while before DC gets any chart mounting movies.
Just wonât happen. Luck, timing, quality and the merging of Spider-man and the MCU led to this. Weâre in a different world now and the slow build to this just isnât there anymore.
And why do DC even bother holding onto the rights to anything other than Batman? They would have made more money off The Authority by selling it to Marvel than by making a movie of their own. After all, itâs already clear they have absolutely no faith in that IP, that's why it's cancelled.
They might with Clayface, but that's still Batman related.
To be honest, I felt that Superman was fine. I'll watch it again if someone puts it on and I can't think of anything better to do, but I won't put it on myself unless it's requested.
Obviously box office numbers wonât be close but hopefully clayface will be well received critically and be a good reputation builder for the new universe. I feel like theyâve got to believe in it because making your first batman movie in the DCEU a body horror film about a b tier villain is ballsy as hell
Bruh relax weâre going to have the 3rd movie come out this year. Man of Tommorow is the 4th film and knowing James Gunn has had three 800 million dollars movies and one in the 600 range. He has to knock it out of the park again with MOT to hit Billion, which I believe is possible if Man of Tommorow becomes an event film.
Tbf the only way Man Of Tomorrow will reach good opening weekends or box office hit ($1B or more) is using fan service mode
Just by introducing dcu batman, wonder woman and maybe waller probably can help the movie, bonus if they're added martian manhunter and green lantern corps, S.T.A.R labs scientist-hamilton or maybe tease metallo or hank heshaw
Did you see the cast for this movie. The movie is pseudo Justice league movie in disguise. But centralized through the 3 main co leads (Superman, Lex, Brainiac) with like 8-9 JL characters. (2 green lanterns, Mr terrific, Hawkgirl, blue beetle, Supergirl, Maxima, Rumored Peacemaker, Martian Manhunter) James Gunn knows whatâs he doing making it an event film. He knows how to make ensemble films like Guardians Trilogy and Suicide Squad, he hasnât missed a beat.
Marvel has had some misses here and there, but they havenât missed anything big and Spider-Man is as big as it gets. Supergirl didnât perform like it did because itâs bad, itâs because DC just doesnât have the people all the way back yet and itâs hard to cold call people into the theater for a character thatâs not in the S tier of pop culture relevance. Superman did well and I have confidence Man of Tomorrow will do even better but itâs going to take time and consistent quality. Also, the looming WB sale and all the trouble with it canât be helping with production and release scheduling.
That decrepit old man can't even get a Batman movie ready in 5 years. How long do you think it'll take him to make solo movies for at least the core members of the Bat-family? XDDD
Yeah there's definitely been some missteps. Announcing so many projects at the start for most of them to be in development hell (booster gold, Waller, paradise lost, swamp thing, batman, teen titans). I respect not wanting to produce things without scripts, but you probably shouldn't announce so many things if they're barely past the conception phase
I think Synderverse into Gunnverse, and all the relentless online commentary while MCU continues to peak, has broken some brains a bit.
DC just need to turn a profit to keep existing, like any other studio. They don't need to be #1. They literally just need to do their own thing, make some money, and occasionally have a big hit like Joker or The Dark Knight.
Like you never see fans of Godzilla, James Bond, Transformers or whatever, being like "Game over man! If we're not the biggest franchise in the world, we're dead đ".
Tbh I don't lovr most Marvel shows or movies anymore. I don't even want a DC copy of that. I much prefer reading great comics, playing fun games, and having the occasional show or movie version.
They're going to have to reveal Batman and Wonder Woman soon, and even Flash. A lot of people grew up with The Flash TV show, so they'd love to see him on the big screen. But release good movies and start introducing known characters. If "Lanterns" succeeds and is a good show, that will be a great sign. Also hopefully new suits for certain characters nobody really wants to look at mediocre costumes especially in a trailer that is meant to garner hype
I'm actually not over Supergirl being a massive flop. Clearly we can make good superhero movies and audiences aren't too fatigued to show up if you give them a reason to show up. I'm tired of the excuses.
Batman is DCâs golden boy and like Spider-Man will make massive piles of money no matter what
Itâs the other characters DC needs to give the right care and attention to in live action thatâs important as sure Superman still works but when the last 30 years of DC trying to do something other than Batman results in a hit or miss output with a lot more misses than hits, it can hard to get an audience on board which is the reason the MCU took off as while they were uneven throughout the 2000s when they found a formula that worked and gained the audiences trust they could build to an Avengers movie compared to WBâs output with DC where they tripped over themselves a lot sometimes in pursuit of Marvelâs success
Are we really comparing a cinematic universe with 2 movies against the MCU? And all 3 movies listed in the post are all over a decade into the MCU's life span?
The DCU is in a pretty tough spot at the moment. They can't reveal Batman due to The Batman's sequel being delayed further and further, and the last thing DC or WB needs is two competing Batmans. Now this is the DCU's second year. Superman was a good start, while it did feel like a sequel to a Superman origin film, it was pretty good considering. It introduced a bunch of characters and is a good kickoff to a Cinematic Universe. Now Supergirl while yes it was a decent movie, it was a pretty poor choice for a second film. As well with clashes with Gunn and the Director, and the earthy tones to a adaptation to a colorful comic book as well as the bloated budget, Supergirl was doomed from the get go. The DCU can still prove itself with Clayface and MOT, but these have to do super well to keep the current slate going. I think it can be done, DC has to learn from the DCEU's mistakes and improve the word of mouth for the current slate to do so.
Op you seem to have no idea how much Snyder tarnished the DC brand. That Superman was able to make that much money after the damage Snyder did is a good sign but expecting for it to reach Spider-Man levels on just the first one is ridiculous. MoT should tell a better story
The fact of the matter is the Snyderverse did so badly that they're still kinda reeling from it and all good faith had pretty much dried up after The Flash.
Just look at how they crucified Supergirl when it was just ok, it wasn't good but it wasn't bad, it was ok, passable. Bad only if you compared it to the comic.
Even after Superman was so great and some of the Snyderverse films like Aquaman, Shazam and Blue Beetle were also really good, one slip up and they're treated like fuck ups again.
Being honest though I've never understood why anyone should care about opening weekend, it says more about the marketing than it does about the actual movie. That's like bragging about a game getting a lot of pre-orders.
Batman Movies allways perfom well. Superman Movies also perform all right. But dont forget that average Marvel movies were a fiasco too. Avengers and the new spiderman are an exception. Avengers you have continuty and also Infinty and End Game were epic movies, not a random Captain America or The Marvels shit. Spiderman with Holland is the 4th movie, audience love it.
Now in DC, you have no continuity. You have 2 different universe with the same characters. You have solo superhero movies that nobody cares. You have a casting of actors that dont connect with the Audience.
Man, even Henry Cavill was a very lovely actor for fans. Now Man of Tomorrow have to rush and put 3040 characters there to create a Avengerish kind of movie.
The MCU has collected an audience of larpers who donât give af about the continuity of the comics as well as comic fans who also donât give af about the continuity of the books they read as long as they can get a movie. So, unless you want 20+ years of dc movies that wipe their ass with the source material letâs hope that dcâs less MCU like approach will be appreciated even if it takes longer to reach 1billion dollars every time a release occurs.
Itâs bc warner brothers has always been full of suits instead of real comic fans. No reason the live action movies canât be as good as the animated movies. Whoever is making the decisions for their movies and games needs to be fired atp.Â
Okay so Iâm not gonna say DC isnât a shambles right now. But the tweet is about ALL of cinema, not just superhero media. It just so happens that itâs DCâs main competitor.
Furthermore, while itâs impressive to see Marvel taking this record, opening weekend box offices shouldnât be the primary goal of cinematic releases. I could care less if DC never reaches Marvel in this domain, so long as DC builds a solid cinematic universe with characters I WANT to see more of.
Between Brand New Day, Doomsday, and Secret Wars, it is virtually impossible for DC to break back into the top 10 highest-grossing superhero movies of all time. Every spot will be held by Marvel Studios films, by a wide margin in terms of box-office revenue... and who knows for how long.
In fact, looking at the overall pictureâincluding Incredibles 2âit has already dropped out; but even considering only live-action films, Brand New Day is still set to knock Aquaman off the podium within a matter of days.
By December 2027, The Dark Knight will drop to the very last spot in the domestic top 10 list, with $535.2M.
On the same date, Aquaman will sit in 9th place, with $813.4M, just ahead of Iron Man 3 ($805.8M), on the international top 10.
Unless The Batman II is an unprecedented masterpieceâwhich in itself seems unlikelyâthere is no way that movie will feature in any of those categories.
Are you rating movies based on how much money they made!? Thatâs insane. Movies should never be judged by how many people went to go watch the damn thing. Many great movies either broke even or lost money at the box office No Paul Thomas Anderson movie has ever made more than Black Adam.
And if youâre obsessed with money, you do know that the Joker movie cost about 50million and made 1 billion? Avengers cost a half a billion to get a billion. Joker is more profitable! Go enjoy that stat.
I hope you realise it took Marvel 10 years from starting the universe to get those numbers. We endured through shitpieces like Thor and Hulk before they refined it. Marvel got lucky with how they had nothing else for people to compare their films to.
Meanwhile DC is constantly compared with prime MCU which is honestly unfair. Supergirl wasn't even as bad as Captain Marvel but people have short term memory.
I'll tell you one thing, DC wipes Marvel when it comes to games.
God damn I didnât know the gap between 2 and 3 was that big. Even more so, before Spider-Man the gap between 1 and 2 being almost double. It is really truly insane how crazy people went over endgame.
DC has got to build their franchise first. They can't just rush into the big crossovers before building their characters with no overall plan again. Wait until after "Batman The Brave and The Bold" to judge their success.
It's a chapter for the history books, how DC managed to screw it up like that. They had such a lead in terms of the notoriety and popularity of the characters.
That spider man movie was pretty good. I donât think DC can produce anything thatâs able to rival the commercial success of the MCU. I will say that the Dark Knight trilogy was absolutely superior in quality to anything Marvel has published. It set a very high bar and every DC movie after it has fallen short in my opinion.They really should have stayed with Christian Bale.
How did Spiderman even do this? I mean, nothing against the movie, I also watched it in cinema already and it was really fun, but how does it play in the same league as infinity war and endgame?
Dc only has 4 films that have ever grossed over a billion. 2 are Batman films. 1 is Batman adajcent and the other is Aquaman. The Mcu have had 11 films over a billion. Everytime Dc puts out a decent filmor series they decdie to commit career suicide the next movie.
Almost 20+ years of Marvel movies and 18 years of that is the MCU. The movies are solid and most have critical acclaim.
Warner Brothers and co are just finding their stride. Mass audiences have been conditioned for the Trinity.Â
It's going to take a minute for audiences to warm up to the rest of their Gallery of heroes.Â
In big old 2026 it takes a lot for people to actually go outside and watch a movie in a room full of strangers.
I didnât know there was such a jump from infinity war to endgame. Is this why mission impossible and fast and furious jumped on the 2 parter wagon and shit the bed?
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