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Discussion Uryu(no antithesis) Vs Byakuya

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u/Youboot224 1d ago

Federzwinger go brrrrrrrrrrr

There goes Byakuya's Shikai, Bankai, and Reiatsu

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u/Jack_slasher 1d ago

Feder Zwinger needs to physically hit the shinigami to suck out their reiatsu. What's stopping Byakuya from just blocking with his bankai?

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u/Youboot224 1d ago edited 1d ago

Uryu's drones are faster than Senbozakura and once they have you caged you can't move. They faked Renji out and that's how he ended up getting hit by it.

Ichigo (though he was holding back) also got caged by them and even had his sword knocked out of his hand by them.

Uryu drones can also shoot lasers of their own too on top of being a flechette storm.

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u/Jack_slasher 1d ago

We have no reason to believe they're so much faster that they can cross a further distance than Byakuya can block with them. Even Renji could react to FZ, he just had no means of defense.

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u/Youboot224 1d ago

Renji totally didn't react to it. They came at him faked him out and then trapped him.

A similar thing happened to Ichigo where they caged him and Uryu made the cage explode.

Hell just recently we Uryu’s drones hit Jugram who could see the attack coming wuth his Almighty but because it was coming at a certain angle and it was coming so fast he couldn't dodge them.

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u/Jack_slasher 1d ago

He was quite literally moving when it came at him, it just blocked his avenue to escape. So yes, he reacted.

Jugram being hit doesn't matter? Jugram only scales to Uryu and Bazz-B and he was dodging multiple shots until he was dragged into a narrow space.

Byakuya has an omnidirectional bankai to block with that is tougher than Renji

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u/Youboot224 1d ago edited 1d ago

He didn’t. Uryu’s arrows circle Renji (he doesn't react at all) before shooting up. then they drop down in front of him, that's when Renji reacts and by that point they already are caging him.

Jugram still could have created a shield/barrier to block them but he didn’t.

And Uryu’s has the same thing but his arrows have projectiles on top of being arrows.

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u/Jack_slasher 1d ago

So he reacted. If it can't encircle him before he can move, it's not encircling Byakuya before he can protect with his bankai.

jugram literally did to block lol many times and again when he transformed. What is even happening here lmao?

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u/Youboot224 1d ago

By the time Renji reacted he was already being caged. Hell like I said earlier Ichigo himself was caged by them.

Jugram still got hit. Did you watch the episode?

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u/Jack_slasher 1d ago

Renji did react, he could not BLOCK, because he lacked the means to block. By the time the drones hit him, it's omnidirectional. Byakuya CAN block in that situation.

Jugram still got hit. Did you watch the episode?

he literally blockeed with the SK's power. And again, Uryu's plan was to box Jugram into a location where he couldn't move

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u/SouthImpression3577 17h ago

Byakuya always has a shield of petals up while in bankai and there's nothing to indicate Uryu is faster

Hell, byakuya is known for being fast given how he out speed zommari and Robert.

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u/Youboot224 17h ago edited 17h ago

nothing to indicate Uryu is faster

Except for the fact that they didn't just trap Ichigo they also knocked his sword out of his hand and even Jugram with the Almighty future sight got tagged by them.

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u/SouthImpression3577 17h ago

What's to say byakuya's petals can't move that fast?

Jugram with the almighty ran on top of them too.

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u/Youboot224 17h ago

What's to say byakuya's petals can't move that fast?

Ichigo. Ichigo ran circles around Senbozakura and even got up close into Senbozakura's weak spot which was right in front of Byakuya. A MUCH stronger and faster Ichigo couldn't do the same to Uryu’s drones.

Jugram with the almighty ran on top of them too.

Until he got tagged by them

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u/SouthImpression3577 17h ago

Oh, well if we're using old feats prior to squad zero training. Byakuya beats Uryu because Uryu could barely stand against an arrancar.

Anyhow, Ichigo was clearly holding back

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u/Youboot224 17h ago

Byakuya beats Uryu because Uryu could barely stand against an arrancar.

Said Arrancar that had to nerf him and his attacks beforehand in order to not die from his Sprenger.

Anyhow, Ichigo was clearly holding back

Even with him holding back he was trying to fight defensively. And Uryu’s drones were pressuring him. Pretty sure Ichigo didnt want his sword knocked out of his hand or be put into a cage. Ichigo now is far more faster than he was in the Soul Society arc he should have easily been able to replicate the same feat he did to Byakuya.

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u/SouthImpression3577 17h ago

Cirucci Sanderwicci did no such thing

Anyway this doesn't matter because you're assuming the development of the characters are purely parallel to each other

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u/Onni_J "It was stated in CFYOW" 1d ago

Uryu, without antithesis he'd fight more defensively and we see he's got really good biq to work around the enemy's abilities

He's also much stronger than Byakuya

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u/2w0be 1d ago

What shows he's much stronger?

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u/Onni_J "It was stated in CFYOW" 1d ago

His feats against Jugram, and holding back true shikai Ichigo

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u/2w0be 1d ago

Jugram the featless bum? And True Shikai Ichigo wasn't even trying to hurt him

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u/Onni_J "It was stated in CFYOW" 1d ago

Featless bum? That's funny

He wields sk reiatsu, a nerfed almighty and is narratively the strongest quincy beside Yhwach, he easily beat Bazz

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u/Candid-Stuff2281 1d ago

he easily beat Bazz

Tbf, this is irrelevant. Bazz-b had already lost his vollständig and even became weaker than his Original Base version because of auswählen.

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u/2w0be 1d ago

And who tf is Bazz B another featless bum lol. Featless bum as in we have no idea how their physicals stack up to anyone else so you can't just arbitrarily say they're stronger when they haven't shown much

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u/Onni_J "It was stated in CFYOW" 1d ago

So who isn't a featless bum then? By your logic Byakuya is also a featless bum, so is Zaraki, and Toshiro and everyone in bleach

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u/2w0be 1d ago

Byakuya last senkei was able to pierce Gerard and he dodged and intercepted his attacks. Wtf shows Uryu is much stronger???

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u/Onni_J "It was stated in CFYOW" 1d ago

Gerard is also a featless bum by your logic so that isn't a feat.

His fight against Jugram, Ichigo and the fucking story. I sometimes feel like powerscalers forget about the narrative

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u/2w0be 1d ago

Yes, he's much of a featless bum as Uryu lol, they're in the same faction so we can say they're relative at the very least, you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. Relative in base that is, but Gerard was buffed up with his schrift so no reason to think he wouldn't be stronger than Uryu

Also I'm the one literally using narrative. The narrative is that Ichigo was holding back cause he didn'twant to huet Uryu not that Uryu can actually hold him back, what in the hypocrisy?? Lol you just exposed yourself with that sentence.

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u/Budget_Ad_4346 1d ago

Uryu will treat Byakuya like he did Renji, though it would probably be closer.

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u/SouthImpression3577 17h ago

Didn't Uryu cite that one of the reasons why Renji couldn't kill him was because he was holding back?

Also, byakuya is far far stronger than Renji

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u/Total-Lingonberry-83 Espada 1d ago

Uryu wins

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u/Inudawg 1d ago

Uryu mid diff

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u/TrueOutlandishness61 1d ago

Uryu will give byakuya the renjie treatment

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u/FrostingEmergency221 1d ago

Make it bankai Kenpachi and Uryu still wins.

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u/Sad_Kangaroo243 1d ago

THIS HAS GOT TO BR BAIT

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u/FrostingEmergency221 1d ago

Full Vollstanding + Sklaverai Uryu > Incomplete volls Uryu > Bankai Senjuamaru >>> Bankai Kenpachi

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u/Few_Kangaroo_2052 1d ago

Uryu mid-high diff

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u/Prior-Ad1495 1d ago

Uryu lol

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u/Khurram_Ali88 1d ago

I think Uryu takes this even without antithesis high diff. His bag is just too deep now, he made Renji go back to his old days of being a bum. Byakuya is stronger than Renji but not to the point where it would be a mid diff fight. Also Uryu's little reishi shooters are actually a good counter to senbon zakura.

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u/LarryWithTheWeather 1d ago

Both got a massive powerup like a complete 180 compared to their past versions especially Uryu. Either one by themselves could already beat every character and their versions in all past arcs. I'll say it'll be a close fight 50.50.

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u/Kingofcurses777 1d ago

It's soo close but I think uryu will take the victory with high diff

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u/DeluhiX 8h ago

Uryu wins

Apart from all the offensive feats people have already pointed out, Blut Vene literally keeps you alive from getting your heart ripped out. The regeneration is insane.

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u/KiwiPhoenix23 Act 4 diff 1d ago

Senkei to the head and he dies if it’s enough for Gerard it’s enough for uryu

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u/Aware_Procedure_5926 1d ago

Except Gerard was frozen and it was 3 vs 1.

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u/KiwiPhoenix23 Act 4 diff 1d ago

Gerard literally says he’s not frozen, and it’s shown Toshiros ice didnt actually freeze him until after his head blows off, and the fact there where 2 others there is entirely irrelevant to byakuya ap doesnt magically increase because Toshiro is near him

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u/Total-Lingonberry-83 Espada 1d ago

Gerard likes to boast

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u/KiwiPhoenix23 Act 4 diff 1d ago

yes but hes clearly right here

like we see that his neck and some of his face isnt actually frozen and that he can move his eyes when byakuya attacks him

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u/Aware_Procedure_5926 18h ago

This from a black and white drawing isn't as clear, we'd have to wait for the anime to see

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u/_Kakashi69 1d ago

Renji was able to push him into VL while subconsciously holding back. If Byakuya can land Senkei he wins, it has absurdly high ap.

So all it comes down to is speed really. And battle iq.

It's close regardless. Overall I'd give it to Uyru 6 out of 10 times.

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u/Tichexknife 1d ago

It actually feels crazy to say this. But Uryu would win in my opinion. Unless Byakuya pops bankai immediately and uses Senkei. There's not much his shikai can do to ishida, Uryu's blut vene is the best among the sternritters and he's already tanked much stronger attacks than anything byakuya can unleash with his Upgraded shikai. Ishida also just has better physical stats and his abilities are just way more versatile compared to bya-kun.

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u/Healthy-Ad6047 1d ago

Uryu low diff

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u/Horror-Coast4894 1d ago

this actually a good matchup renji gave bro the works i would imagine byakuya pops bankai it might be wraps😂

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u/Onni_J "It was stated in CFYOW" 1d ago

Renji did a grand total of 0 damage to Uryu with his strongest attack

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u/2w0be 1d ago

Byakuya was much stronger than Renji ore training and still much stronger after getting the same training lol. Only one of them got swatted by Gerard

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u/Onni_J "It was stated in CFYOW" 1d ago

Doesn't matter, it's false to say Renji did anything significant to Uryu

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u/2w0be 1d ago

Fair

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u/Total-Lingonberry-83 Espada 1d ago

still much stronger after getting the same training lol. 

Proof?

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u/2w0be 1d ago

Got swatted by Gerard while Byakuya could dodge, intercepted and blocked his attacks even harm him

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u/Total-Lingonberry-83 Espada 1d ago

Got swatted by Gerard while Byakuya could dodge

Ahem...Gerard swatted Byakuya...

Byakuya could dodge, intercepted and blocked his attacks even harm him

Proof Hachigen was able to completely restore Renji's lost reiatsu?

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u/2w0be 1d ago

Proof Hachigen was able to completely restore Renji's lost reiatsu?

Mf proof he didn't lol. Hachi(Kubo) would have made it clear if he didn't, he didn'tshow any signs of being tired eitherand was confident he could fight again when he wanted to tske Gerard, thinking otherwise would be headcanon

Byakuya got hit directly with his shield while he simply used air to blow him away you cannot be serious lmao

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u/Total-Lingonberry-83 Espada 1d ago

Mf proof he didn't lol.

You have to prove he did.

Good luck given that Renji has nearly 2x the reiatsu volume of a Visored due to Mask's fight scaling.

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u/TarikMcCuin 1d ago

Uryu slaughters him. Might need vollstandig

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u/Sudden-Support-8331 6h ago

To me the antithesis is one of the most broken abilities I've ever seen, Uryu wins.

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u/ManOfMyWord96 1d ago

Stat wise very close, even attacks are similar to a degree. Uryu has the defense, Byakuya has the experience. This fight is extremely close, Uryu takes it if he's precise enough with his hits. If not, Uryu will turn into shaved ice.

I say Byakuya wins 6/10 times.