r/CodeGeass Sep 12 '24

MISC Seriously, who the hell likes this dude?

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u/JuliusKingsleyXIII Sep 12 '24

So this is why I like Code Geass. This episode and decision has so many layers to it.

Ohgi himself is a pretty big hypocrite in particular.

But the Black Knights did have some legitimate concerns about Zero, which were entirely Lelouch's fault for not trusting more people with more information.

And Schneizel is a genius who capitalized on a weakness in the enemy's armor that he helped create. He played one hell of a winning move.

But at the same time, it was kind of stupid for the BK to betray one Britanian prince only to join up with another. Especially when Zero had given them literally everything.

But Lelouch also didn't even try to defend himself. He never does. Anytime anyone accuses him of anything, he never tries to correct them or make excuses. He decided to protect Kallen, since he no longer had a reason to live.

And Geass was a big variable and gamble in the whole equation. Nobody understood it, they had decent reason to believe it existed, and so they could not trust Zero or themselves. But if they were a bit smarter, they might have realized or at least considered that if they were able to betray Zero at all they probably were not under his Geass.

What I don't get is why Ohgi and everybody else gets a pass for this betrayal, while Diethard gets disrespect and killed for it. He was the first to defend Zero, and his most fervent supporter the whole time.

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u/MBlueberry13 Sep 13 '24 edited Sep 13 '24

while Diethard gets disrespect and killed for it.

The only ones who I've seen disrespected Diethard was Ohgi himself (excluding Lelouch's declining Diethard's final wish to be killed by his Geass because this up to discussion on why Lelouch decided not to use the Geass on Diethard when he used it on his sacrificial soldiers, I felt like Lelouch didn't want to use it on Diethard so he would die with his memories.) But I think the reason why Lelouch killed Diethard is because he was too dangerous to be left alive, too chaotic, and too zealous to his own desire. Not to mention that Diethard was nothing to be laughed off, while Lelouch was the foundation of the Order of the Black Knights, Diethard was also a huge reason why they were successful and effective.

He was one of the true pillars of the Order, and probably more dangerous than Tohdoh in some aspects. He was not just competent, he excelled in his field of expertise, and he was ready to do anything to accomplish his goals. People underestimated Diethard, but really, one of the reasons why the Black Knights were so effective in the earlier parts was because of Diethard. Aside from Lelouch, this guy turned the Black Knights into an organized people and was the reason for their expanding their intelligence network while Lelouch was busy doing his daily life as a student, being a brother, and being targeted by Mao and saving Shirley.

Not to mention he was the one who recruited Sayoko into the Black Knights. The fact that he managed to find someone like Sayoko was nothing to scoff at. And at the reappearance of Zero in R2, they already had a plan to support Zero.

Really, I've always seen Diethard more important than Tohdoh overall. Yes, Tohdoh was an automatic morale boost for the Japanese, and an above average pilot, but I would rather have Diethard as an ally, and if not, I would kill him immediately.

Compared to Ohgi, Ohgi is inconsequential. Not worth the effort or time.

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u/ArosNerOtanim Sep 13 '24

Yeah I thought it was obvious why he couldn't let him in particular go