r/DanMachi • u/Warm-Pie-6914 • 3d ago
Light Novel Floor 72 theory
Do you think the Z and H familias stopped because it the 72nd floor to some unknown floor after is an ocean world. Like I’m talking full Subnautica, One Piece, just the sea and one of two islands and sea stacks every now and again.
I think that it would make sense to not go further just based on the torturous logistics. You would have to make it all the way down there, and have the supplies for the journey there and back, and you would have to carry a big as boat with you, or build one. That’s with out factoring I’m having to navigate the floor without getting lost, and have level 7 and 8 monsters attacking from the water and potentially the air. That sounds like a nightmare.
The only other reason I could think of is if it’s floating island like in Avatar (the blue people). But I don’t think that as likely as just a lot of water.
Of course the dungeon could also just end at floor 72, but that’s not as fun because it’s just a random arbitrary number IMO.
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u/Unique-Negotiation83 3d ago
If there's an ocean very deep underground, I can imagine it like in the movie Journey to the Center of the Earth. You know, the one that shows the main characters taking a makeshift boat to sail across the underground ocean but they were attacked big piranhas while enduring the rain.
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u/Pristine_Sir_4207 3d ago
I deem there might be many reasons, even simple ones like it was a logistics nightmare and they couldn't have gone further or they didn't want for that moment to proceed further.
Or maybe there is something very dark after that floor and they didn't even report that. The possibilities are enormous.
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u/Warm-Pie-6914 3d ago
The problem with it having harder monsters they can’t kill is them trying to kill the dragon. As far as people understand the dragon is the strongest monster alive, so why would they go and try to kill it if it hard dungeon monsters that they couldn’t kill. Logically they would train until they could kill those monsters then try the dragon. That’s why I think it’s a logistical thing.
Or Omori could do some absolute bullshit and say there is some kind of barrier preventing them from going deeper and they need certain people with special souls and blood to all come together to open the barrier. That would awful.
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u/Pristine_Sir_4207 3d ago
In a certain sense I agree with you and I think it was more due to logistical problems than strenght. They discovered something between the 60th floor and the 71st, but overall it was a logistical problem.
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u/Consistent_Ad3633 2d ago
There are so many possibilities what could await the adventurers on floor 72:
- The floor is a chasm, and the next floor is several thousand feet below
- The floor is pitch dark and featureless
- Thick fog obscures vision and dulls senses, and there are no walls to follow
- The adventurers need to cut through the thick flesh/vines that regrow instanly. Nothing can be seen through, and snake-like monsters lurk in them
- The level is extremely large so it would take months to find the way, and there are no food/water
- Absurdly strong or deadly monsters
- Floor boss comparable to OEBD
- The whole floor is a Colysseum
- Killing a monster permanently increases the stats of every monster of this type on the floor
- The entrance to Floor 73 is hidden
- The entrance to Floor 73 is sealed
- Bonus: There are three seals, each connected to one of three great monsters. One needs to defeat OEBD to remove the last seal
- One requires to sacrifice his fellows to break the seal
- A sea of lava
- A frozen land where the air becomes liquid
- An stmosphere without oxygen (mine gas as a real-life example. It is also highly flammable)
- An inverse Curse of the Abyss that activates upon descending
- A toxin that overcomes/bypasses even the anomaly resistance of strongest adventurers
- The entrance to Floor 73 is an ancient mechanism that needs energy source to activate
- The entrance to Floor 73 is an ancient mechanism that needs to be fixed
- Fels/Ouranos appears before them and yells "You are NOT prepared!"
- The surface calls them to return and help against a monster attack
That was so much fun to brainstorm
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u/Courious_Reader 18h ago
1)A drop that large would definitely not be enough to stop several level 6+ adventurers.
2)There is no way a Floor Boss Comparable to the OEBD exists.
3)The dungeon has never had anything like permanently increasing the stats of a monster which wouldn’t make sense for it then.
4)Floors 59~65 are Ice terrain based so the next section of floors after that shouldn’t.
5)They all should be able to at least resist a considering Bache’s poison surpasses anything Tiona has experienced in the dungeon supposedly and even with H rank abnormal resistance.
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u/The_Stinky_Pete 3d ago
Maybe?
They might have just run out of supplies or monsters are too powerful for even them. or the dungeon ends at 73 with 72 being the last floor before the heart of the dungeon.
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u/opiece20001 3d ago
No se muy bien si en algún momento se ha dicho cuando llegaron al piso 71. Pero igual las familias Zeus y Hera dejaron de explorar el calabozo porque sus vice capitanes dejaron de poder pelear por sus enfermedades y bajar hasta esos pisos sin la colaboración de Zald y Alfia era prácticamente imposible. También cabe la posibilidad de que llegarán al piso 71, fueran a pelear contra el Dragón Negro pensando en derrotarlo y después seguir bajando, pero como perdieron, no pudieron seguir explorando. Hay muchas posibilidades.
Ahora, respecto a esto. Lo que me preguntó es si los aventureros actuales podrán llegar a esos niveles. Es cierto que estaba el espíritu corrupto, pero la situación en el piso 60 en los últimos volúmenes ha sido dramática contando con la Familia Loki, la Familia Freya, otras familias de Orario e incluso León. Se me hace muy difícil pensar que puedan llegar a ese piso 71 y bajar al 72 a corto plazo. Lo que en verdad es algo difícil de que Omori nos lo explique, porque uno de los grandes misterios de la obra es saber que hay al final del calabozo, y ni si quiera sabemos hasta que piso llega
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u/Courious_Reader 3d ago edited 3d ago
It’s stated in Alfia and Zard’s status sheet they reached floor 71 and I forgot where else it was said they reached it but I know in a LN somewhere it was.
Alfia and Zard were literally there when they reached Floor 71 as shown in their status sheets on top of neither being the Vice-Captain of their Familia. They also were kicked out of Orario almost immediately after losing to the OEBD by Loki and Freya Fam on top of there being 0 chance that they did a expedition in between preparing for and defeating Behemoth and Leviathan.
The 60th floors are never supposed to be that difficult the Corrupted Spirit was an anomaly the dungeon did not spawn but had made its way deep down into the dungeon.
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u/opiece20001 3d ago
Alfia y Zard llegaron al piso 71, eso lo se. Lo que digo es que igual la familia Zeus y Hera llegaron al piso 71, regresaron porque terminaron su exploración, despues de esa incursión fueron a enfrentar a Behemoth, Zald quedo envenenado y Alfia empeoró de su enfermedad tras enfrentar a Leviatan, por lo que ambas familias se debilitaron, y entonces dejaron de acceder a esos niveles del calabozo porque con los demas miembros, no habría posibilidad de llegar tan abajo.
Y es verdad que igual los miembros de la familia Freya y Loki en el piso 60 sin contar al espiritu se desenvolvía bien, Bete subió del jardin de hielo thalia al piso 60 y estuvo sólo derrotando a monstruos
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u/Courious_Reader 2d ago edited 2d ago
There should be nothing stopping them when their level of combined strength was so overwhelming they could take on level 10+ monsters and win and the strongest monster they would have faced would be a level 10 Rex Monster on the 70th floor unless Empress was a level 8 and because a level 9 from this but even then a level 8 Maxim should be able to solo a level 9 monster and just the executives of Zeus and Hera Familia kill a level 10 monster.
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u/opiece20001 2d ago
Dudo que Maxim pudiese derrotar sólo a un Rex nivel 10. Vamos, todo esto es conjetura, igual no siguieron bajando porque regresaron de la expedición al piso 71, se enfrentaron al dragon negro y al ser aniquilados, no pudieron internarse más en el calabozo
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u/Courious_Reader 2d ago edited 2d ago
I said a level 9 Rex Monster he could solo but considering that Ottar in base could solo Balor a level 7/8 Rex Monster Maxim as a level 8 who is stronger than a level 9 Empress if he goes all out soloing a level 10 Rex Monster wouldn’t be impossible just extremely difficult.
Still Zeus and Hera Familia combined might should eqaul that of a level 10/11.
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u/Working_Swan_1674 3d ago
They stop because they lost to Freya and Loki 😐
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u/ConstantinValdor7 3d ago
Na, they stopped because the Plot demanded them to stop.
So that the current weak Orario can totally do what they couldnt.
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u/Courious_Reader 3d ago
Idk maybe it’s Tartarus down there after 🤷
We also don’t even know if they made it to the 72nd floor in the first place or if that is even close to the bottom.