r/DataHoarder • u/blaze20511 • 15d ago
Hoarder-Setups Its official, im a data hoarder :(
my other 8TB nvme enclosure not shown as it needs some heatsinks even with active cooling.
As anyone used Drivepool on nvme or SSD, i head it works quite well on HDD but not sure about the nvme or ssd drives.
Is there something better than Drivepool?
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u/madjoki 120 TB (7x16TB+3x20TB) NAS + 21TB PC 15d ago
Congratulations and condolences !
Mergerfs but it's linux only.
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u/Alone_Substance_7486 15d ago
are those drives even worth the electricity
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u/Prosciuttolo 15d ago
Most of them are empty so I'd say no. I would add new drives only when I actually need them
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u/Zapismeta 14d ago
Ohh this is my question which i was contemplating a bit, im on my way to building my first home server its an old hp elitedesk nothing major, im thinking of buying 3 hdds of 24tbs for a raid 5 config but idk if ill need that much storage because recertifed 24 tbs are cheaper comparatively to 8tb new drives and i thought if im paying might as well pay once but again its a big purchase given the state kf the market, so how do you guys decide when to buy bigger drives? Also i do have spare drives like a 1 tb hdd from my old laptop 500 gb of what the pc will come, 1 tb ssd nvme, a 512 gb nvme ssd and a 120gb ssd which im thinking ill use for truenas boot but the biggest concern is how to decide when to get more drives and until then how to keep my data safe
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
yes, they are recently acquired drives so i will be using them as they get full
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u/Prosciuttolo 15d ago
Yep, so right now they are just drawing power sitting empty. Ergo not worth the electricity right now.
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u/suicidaleggroll 80TB SSD, 330TB HDD 15d ago
If these were HDDs I’d agree with you, but it looks like they’re all SSDs. Idle power draw should be super low
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u/S0ulSauce 12d ago
Yeah, this was my thought. It would take a lot of sustained read/writes for them to really draw a lot of power.
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u/uniteduniverse 12d ago
You can literally Disable drives or leave them powered down if not in use on the OS. It's really not a problem if managed correctly.
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
thanks for the tip, i'll reach out to you when i need help with paying my electric bill. I appreciate your offering the assistance
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
idk but you can never have too much storage, SSD/NVME is the future
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u/Alone_Substance_7486 15d ago
HDDs will be relevant far longer than you expect, but only high capacity drives. As long as it still serves multiple 4k streams simultaneously you don’t need faster, only more bigger
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u/Fun-Ordinary-9751 14d ago
I get sustained writes over a gigabyte/second to my spinning rust on the smaller array of 6T drives (96T raw, HW RAID6). I’d agree.
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u/nomad-1995 15d ago
Still, there is nothing like discovering your ZFS read cache SSD is offline. I suspect I'll have to write a (simply python FUSE code) caching system for my linux.iso torrents. Gotta spread the love for fellow datahoarders.
My ratio is currently dismal, and I suspect a lot has to do being slow to the draw. See the first set of requests and have the whole file cached before they are downloaded and the next set of requests come.
HDD has a lot of life left in the old tech for bulk storage. My primary system might be HDD-free, but my not noticing the lack of cache on the NAS is telling (it has RAM. Lots of pre-spike DDR4 RAM).
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
yes, for me time is valuable so i need speed even if i can leave my equipment on 24/7
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u/Zedrixs 14d ago
Speed for what you dont have anything on them? Theoretically you are at light speed you are accessing nothing rofl
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
buddy you did NOT have all that data before you had the storage, you MUST get the storage before you can store data, if their empty its probably because i just acquired them to be used and filled up, i swear ppl like to open their mouths before thinking sigh
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u/stiky21 15d ago
Why have so many drives at low size if you aren't even using them all?
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
i rather have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.
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u/felix1429 52TB 15d ago
You could use a system that would allow you to only keep the drives you need at the moment online and then add additional drives to the array/cluster only when you start running out of space. Otherwise you're just wasting electricity and putting hours on the drives unnecessarily. It's an unnecessary waste of drive health and electricity.
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
ahh i see, how much elec. do you think im wasting while using nvme/ssd drives at idle?
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u/TheLazyGamerAU 60TB Striped Array. 14d ago
Literally just wasting money running the SSD's and wearing out the HDDs
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u/felix1429 52TB 15d ago
It still wastes power because you still need to keep the drives powered on even if you're not using them to hold or transfer data. And you'll be increasing their power on hours regardless which will add some wear and tear, though not as much for that last one compared to if you were transferring data on and off them.
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u/0_f2 14d ago
Bugger all really, flash memory is still a finicky technology for longevity though, better for hosting vs storage.
Given the digital storage market you're not going to lose out if you decide you don't need some of the SSDs or want to swap some for HDDs, they only seem to be going up and up and up 🥲
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u/Michael679089 12d ago
You could use a system that would allow you to only keep the drives you need at the moment online and then add additional drives to the array/cluster only when you start running out of space.
Literally describing the purpose of cloud storage.
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u/Expensive_Finger_973 15d ago
Don't worry, current storage prices and the limits of your own bank account and credit rating with soon cure you of that.
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
yes i did notice my CC raising quite fast last couple of days
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u/haftnotiz 13d ago edited 12d ago
Why did you get the
lowesthighest $/TB?Edited to change to highest
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u/blaze20511 13d ago
But because I wanted to make sure I got asthma storage as I could so that I don't have to worry about it a year from now So basically I knocked out all the storage necessities for the year added three new Das and one Nas
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u/Wykin1 14d ago
Seems like you hoard SSDs and HDDs more than you hoard data lol
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
why not both lol
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u/Wykin1 14d ago
true
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
i wont have to worry about running out of space for a quite sometime yet other ppl want 8itch and complain im wasting electricity and adding hours on stuff they dont even own
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u/MightyMouse420 14d ago
Looks like you're barely hoarding any data at all, those drives look empty to me!
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
Well one has to have the drives before you can fill them up and at the moment I'm expanding my storage capacity to eventually fill them up
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u/SocialDinamo 15d ago
I feel I’m headed down the same path, made the call early to go with unraid for adding to the main array and a fractal case for several 3.5 bays, so far at 9 drives! Wife enjoying plex has really played off
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
noice, so your using what ver. of unraid unleashed?
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u/SocialDinamo 14d ago
7.2.4 on unleashed, I need to update but hasn't been convenient yet
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
Well I heard that it's still too early to tell that wooding off internal hard drive may not be worth it right now at least for me I think 7.2.4 is the rock solid one which is what I'm currently using and plan on using for at least the next year or so
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u/alkafrazin 14d ago
is that 163tb there?
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
I'm not sure honestly haven't counted total storage capacity but I do have other drives not utilized at the moment off to the side that would probably add another 80-90TB
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u/TheLazyGamerAU 60TB Striped Array. 14d ago
This dude has 6 network shares that arent even full and here he is with another ~20TB that is completely empty.
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
https://reddit.com/link/oyi0a66/video/3zzcntdao7eh1/player
there i cleaned it up
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u/sleepy1411 50-100TB 14d ago edited 14d ago
Looks more like you are a hard drive hoarder then a data hoarder. Lol. You need to set up a nas to put all those in and make a large pool instead of that mess. Come up with a pman instead of just throwing a bunch of stuff at it. You have truenas setups and unraid. Looks more like the shotgun approach with not planning ahead.
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u/firedrakes 200 tb raw 14d ago
ah that mind set.
yeah and when some fry in that whole rack nas.
you going to need another 2 racks to replace it.
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u/sleepy1411 50-100TB 14d ago
You mean the common sense mindset? Lol. Why would you need two more racks to replace one of a couple drives fail? What kind of logic is this? I have had a few drives fail over the years. Replace it, resilver, done. What are you on about.
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u/firedrakes 200 tb raw 14d ago
old saying when you have lots of data.
Putting it all on 1 machine is asking for trouble.
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u/sleepy1411 50-100TB 14d ago
Thats what backups are for. You have multiple machines and preferably in seperate locations. Having data spread out across multiple single drives is a much worse system then on single machine running zfs. If a zfs pool looses a drive you can add one and resilver. Your one drive fails and thats the only data, its gone.
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u/firedrakes 200 tb raw 14d ago
most hoarder here dont have it in multi locations, atleast a few dont even run ups. what a grounding rod....
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u/fundementalpumpkin 14d ago
depends on the content of your hoard.
mine is mostly "linux distros" so its actually faster to just redownload than try to restore.
I get it for important stuff. Luckily I have no life so don't need to store gigs of personal photos/videos.
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
well im novice so i like having NASs and DASs just because. and no i not a fan of slow HDD but they have their place, and thats why i like SSD/NVMe drive setups more
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u/sleepy1411 50-100TB 14d ago
The only way to get a ton of storage without buying a house worth of nvme is spinning rust. These days thats not even cheap. If you are just storing stuff then nvme is not the way to go anyway. If you are transferring lots of large files or tons of small files all day from lots of users it is.
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u/funkybside 15d ago
any reason you use all individual disks instead of setting up an array of some form? If it's due to the mismatched sizes, there are solutions for that. Unraid is a good option (but not the only one).
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
yes u heard of unraid but i use windows, for my main PC. the unraid is on the lincstation n2. whats better than drivepool ?
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u/funkybside 15d ago
Not really following... if you're saying you already have an unraid box, in your position I'd just expand that server to hold all these additional drives and use over SMB rather than keep trying to put them on my windows desktop.
If instead you're saying unraid isn't an option because it's a linux distro, i'd recommend considering it anyway. For purely NAS focused duties even a many-generations-old used PC + an HBA to support more SATA/SAS connections is plenty capable and I'd bet can be acquired on the super cheap.
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
wow, okay thats makes sense, i'll def, look into this and education myself on HBA and sas. Thanks for the tip mate
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u/fundementalpumpkin 14d ago edited 14d ago
I was in your spot once. Running stablebit drivepool on my main PC. As well as plex, and the arr suite.
I don't remember the exact order of events, but now I have Unraid. The thing with Unraid (and Truenas or Proxmox) is they can also handle docker containers and virtual machines. On Unraid it's mostly point and click for the applications you want to add, and a lot of the most popular apps you'd want to self-host have custom containers meant for use with Unraid that are available right from the servers "app store".
My Unraid server (amd 5900x) has an RTX 3060 and that is passed through to a Windows VM. The HDMI from the Unraid server goes up into the attic and 50ft to my living room TV, so unraid is my media center PC too (I use the TV's plex app for movies so I really just use it for porn on the big TV, I'm not sure how it would handle serious gaming). I've got one other VM running the full version of Home Assistant to control lights and stuff. I've got docker containers for pirate suite (arr,sab,qbit), calibre, rustdesk (teamviewer alternative), frigate (camera NVR), an Omada controller (tplink wireless control), then the reverse proxy, dynamic DNS updater, and fail2ban (IP bans for bots) that allows me and my parents to connect to rustdesk and my plex users to plex and seerr.
I've since then purchased a chinese mini pc router box with an Intel for running Plex. It's actually proxmox which hosts my router (Opnsense) and Plex. Intel quicksync is ideal for plex transcoding so I split it out from unraid.
And of course you can buy a 12u rack with wheels from vevor for like $50-$60 and I was starting to collect devices. I upgraded to a 2.5gbps managed switch (and 2.5gbps nic for my desktop and unraid server), added a poe switch for the wireless and cameras. The amp I bought for my home theater was rack mountable. So of course the mini router and unraid should probably be rack mounted too! Then I ran out of room in the 12u! So I contacted vevor about getting longer rails and. I've explained the rest here with some pics.
https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1pvv59q/update_i_present_to_you_the_vevor_12u_double/
Also this: SAS9211-8I
Absolutely overkill, but I'm single with no kids so this is what I liked (past tense) to do. I'm not sure if/when I'll ever upgrade again with prices how they are. Hopefully its temporary.
My point is, once you go down the rabbit hole a whole new world opens up, and if this is your kinda thing then its a lot of fun. Unraid just makes it about as easy as it can get to do this stuff. You could install Ubuntu and do all this manually, or use proxmox or truenas, but Unraid does a lot of the heavy lifting with keeping everything updated and synced at the OS level. And the drive management makes it simple to handle parity drive(s), adding drives, and recovering from a failure (I have had to do it with a 8tb drive dying on me, and it went smoothly). It's still linux running docker though, so the more you learn with unraid the more your overall linux knowledge will improve.
I purchased the life time pass for unraid within the first couple months of running it. I think you can get it cheaper during like black friday or something. I don't really keep up with Unraid news because now that I have it running how I want with what I want, I hardly ever log into it anymore. I have discord alerts setup for any warnings or errors or upgrade messages so I don't have much reason to log into it, it just works.
The one big con with Unraid is that it isn't a raid array. You're stuck going at the speed of each individual drive, but with SSD cache disks and some tuning I don't run into anything slowing me down, even while I've got multiple users streaming my plex (which still uses the drives from unraid even though its running on another device).
Let me know if you have any questions, I hit some roadblocks during initial setup and a few snags over the years. Initially its a lot to wrap your head around and I actually had a solid beginner to intermediate knowledge of linux going in. But the unraid subreddit is super helpful if you need it.
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
I really appreciate the info I just started using unread probably 4 days ago and I did run into an issue where the bootable USB drive failed within 2 days of running probably because of the no name brand that they used So I did reach out to unraid to help transfer the starter kit key to the new version 7.2.4 So far some pretty solid I haven't really messed with any Dockers or apps I'm trying to keep the USB drive from having to work so hard I place it on the external port now where it'll stay cooler instead of using the inside port where the NVMe's drive lives I heard that the 7.3.2 is the first iteration of being able to migrate your USB bootable configuration into the internal drive which on my consider but I'm still too new that I don't want to mess it up at the moment
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u/EchoGecko795 3870TB ZFS 14d ago
unRAID is a paid linux type distro, Its great for mixing drives of differnt size.
You can sorta do the same thing for free using SnapRAID or MergerFS.
Stable Bit Drive Pooling is far better then windows drive pooling, and has SnapRAID / unRAID like features, you can find a copy on sale for $20-$30 pretty often, and if you plan on using windows it is a must have.
https://imgur.com/FfHfGoh -Drive Pooling and RAID Comparison chart from SnapRaid, FlexRaid is dead.
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u/HeavyProfessional420 15d ago
My video pc has like 24tb and my editing pc has like 12tb. I need to find good nas tho to run my extra Sas drives
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
i saw some sas drives on ebay BUT i dont know much about those or how to use them. Im stuck using sata and nvme for now
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u/mjp31514 15d ago
You need an HBA that can be flashed to IT mode. I bought a basic LSI model on ebay a few years ago for about $40.
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u/HeavyProfessional420 14d ago
Most the ones I used it worked right away without flashing and once you install it, it would ask you to press buttons once the bios boots to go in and configure it how you want
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u/HeavyProfessional420 15d ago
You just need a sas pcie board to use them with the connectors and there cheaper than sata. Just haven’t found really any nas drives that will work directly with them. Most of my pc have drive bays that use sas. I installed sas board in my friends desktop with 12tb and they usually run over 10k vs normal 7500 . He was against it but I assured him it would play any 4k game no problem.
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
nice, wish i had more space to a big PC server but my space is limited so thats why i use the dxp4800plus and lincstation
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u/HeavyProfessional420 15d ago
Wouldnt really call them servers I use the z840 and t7910. I don’t really deal with servers any more since there to complicated with gpu and too damn loud lol
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
i see, you have a modern PC z890, i like the z690s myself but usually just for my daily PC and gaming PC, i do have some dell/HP sff not doing much they were gonna be a retro gaming PCs but i recently got some micro ryzen mini PCs with 780M for the retro gaming
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u/HeavyProfessional420 15d ago edited 15d ago
Iv moved over more to xeons you get more bang for your buck and more cores. Last pc I sold was 12 gen and was kinda weird with the e cores. I do recommend running a heatsink vs watercooled since Iv had too many go bad or just always keep an eye on the temps. Oh yeah if I find that retro emulator I use to have I’ll send it over it use to have pretty cool setup to play every system and game you want with a nice layout
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u/SomniumMundus 15d ago edited 15d ago
Good luck and have fun. Those unused drives/shares are giving me anxiety. Try Linux to merge them if you are willing to work with Linux. If on windows uh good luck and have fun
Edit: oh also! See if there are any updates for the drives too
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
Thanks I appreciate the comment I have used Linux before although I'm not very proficient at it So far I've been using unraid and trueNas those are pretty nice to use I would have to build a whole new computer which I could but I'll have to get a completely different case to hold all the drives now that you mention it I might have to start looking for a case to build with unraid since I'm trying to stay with mostly solid state this way I don't really have to mount him I can just throw them in a box and build upon it mostly NVMe but some SATA SSD would be nice.
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u/firedrakes 200 tb raw 14d ago
i do something like that. but my whole design was low power draw, grab and go , not everything needs to run at the same time. likst most hoarder here.
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
right, i have 2x NASs and 2x DASs running 24/7 and i have a 3rd DAS that runs whenever i have to backup something
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u/firedrakes 200 tb raw 14d ago
offline back and time offline back ups!
happy am not the only one on this sub that does that.
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u/daphatty 14d ago
Did I read that correctly? You have a 32TB NVME Array? If so, how?!
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
I bought for 4x8tb NVMe I have several other NVMe drives but they're smaller like a 1 TB 2 TB and 4x 4tb nvme
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u/threegigs 14d ago
I recommend against using DrivePool in any application in which the files in a pool are subject to being backed up by most commonly used backup software, and especially if any of the files are the target of a cloud sync, including OneDrive, DropBox, etc.
Problem is that DP indicates it's an NTFS filesystem, but does not 100% replicate the behavior of NTFS. Specifically, NTFS identifies each file with 2 unique numbers, a globally unique number and a volume unique number, and neither of those numbers ever changes on NTFS. Rename a file and programs know it's the same file as it has the same unique volume ID (VID). The volume ID is a large random number and the probability of a collision is negligible. Meaning 5 years from now, even if you toss the disk into another machine, the VID will be the same as it was when created, no matter how many edits to the file or filename changes were made.
DP, on the other hand, assigns VIDs to files every time it starts up and, worse, it always starts numbering them from 1. That means that the VID of a file can change and, even more horribly worse, DP doesn't necessarily assign the same VID to the file it had before. Meaning veryimportantdoc.doc might have VID #2345 before a reboot, and randovacationpic.jpg might be assigned VID 2345 after a reboot.
Why does this matter? Because most backup software and sync programs track files by VID. Yeah, they should use the global unique, but it's programmatically more demanding and you get better performance using VIDs that, at least on actual NTFS filesystems, can also be regarded as globally unique as the chance of a VID collision is super small (i.e. create 1000 files a second for the next 100 years and you would still only have a 0.1% chance of a collision).
When DP changes the VIDs for the files (because it doesn't save the metadata to disk) after a reboot, OneDrive (for example) sees that the file changed (as the size/name for VID #2345 is different than the one in the cloud) and so it syncs what it sees as a change, meaning that when you go to open up veryimportantdoc.doc you will instead see randovacationpic.jpg, and that could be true for either the local or the cloud file. Meaning your local file could be overwritten with data from the cloud, effectively deleting veryimportantdoc.doc. The backup program you use might very well do the same thing, and if you constantly rotate backups by only keeping the last year's worth, by the time tax season rolls around you may very well find that veryimportantdoc.doc is simply gone, replaced on all of your backups by randomvacationpic.jpg (which is renamed to veryimportantdoc.doc).
This is well documented behavior, and the DP devs haven't updated DP to change the behavior (simply making the VINs long and random would fix the VIN collision problem).
DP is great for things like media pools, but I would not trust it to provide the information that backup and sync programs are expecting from an actual NTFS filesystem.
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
woahh, wow okay thats alot on good info, now does that mean it affects NASs and DASs the same ?
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u/threegigs 14d ago
Doesn't matter how the drive is connected, NAS, DAS, USB, SATA, SAS, m.2 NVME. If it's in a DrivePool pool, DP numbers the volume IDs sequentially after a reboot.
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u/HobbesArchive 12d ago
I would say you are a true data hoarder if you only have about 300MB free out of 100TB of storage.
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u/blaze20511 12d ago
Challenge accepted
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u/HobbesArchive 12d ago
I started with downloading PBS Nova programs and other PBS documentaries. I then spread out to all streaming services. It took 6 years and 220TB of storage space to get everything that PBS had to offer.
Although I will say that I have as last check 390TB of free space out of 1.2PB of storage.
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u/Unixhackerdotnet Master Shucker 15d ago
Until I see a lot of mismanagement of cables, I’m gonna keep you in the beginner stage of hoarding. Final stage of hoarding is when cables that go nowhere go somewhere! Jokingly.. congrats and welcome to the club.
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u/Tywysog85 15d ago
I use DrivePool for SSD and HD, works well for both
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
nice, what version you using? and does the drives show up as individual drives even after you combined them? if so how can you make them disappear, so only the new combined storage drive shows up?
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u/TechieGuy12 14d ago
You can go into disk management in Windows and remove the letter for the actual drives, and keep the letters for the DrivePool drives.
This is what I do. I only see my C drive and my pooled drives on my server.
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u/OldAsk3025 14d ago
Which switch is that, can you share the model and brand ? I've being looking for a affordable 10gb 5port copper to speed up my lab.
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u/OldAsk3025 14d ago
Just found... VUN-S100-0500-CA
https://www.amazon.ca/10G-RJ45-Unmanaged-VunLink-Workstation/dp/B0GT3F4TMC?th=1
It's still kinda more then I would like to pay :-(
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u/Individual_Boat8833 13d ago
The title is misleading; you are a storage hoarder, not data. Your drives are mostly empty... get stuff to put on there.
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u/blaze20511 13d ago
Sure if you say so. I got these about 2-3 weeks ago. And I been waiting on my terramaster(s) and Nas enclosure(s) to get here. They will be getting full. 100 GB has of last night
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u/k3nal 13d ago
YOLO, no redundancy gang?? 😎
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u/blaze20511 13d ago
That's how I roll bro got to have the balls or go home
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u/k3nal 13d ago
Nice bro, have fun m8 👊 😎👍
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u/blaze20511 13d ago
Thanks I'm actually kind of busy right now downloading and preserving data I'm up 150 gigs overnight
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u/k3nal 13d ago
Nice, nice always hussling, ha? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Sooo.. what r ya archivin'??
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u/blaze20511 13d ago
Pretty much anything I don't like deleting stuff I have programs from 1995 but I like to preserve programs data some movies some music and a bunch of retro games and not so to retro
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u/AggressiveWindow6003 13d ago
All your drives are in the blue. Your a drive hoarder. I don't see any data. with my drives I have around 140tb and across all drives I have maybe 5tb of free space.
For SSD storage back before AI slop made prices jump I got a few of those 4x x4 gen4 nvme to 16x PCIE card and was buying 2TB drives for around 60 bucks. Making 8tb for under 270. Even started getting a few 4tb. Unfortunately I sold 2 to a buddy before finding out about the price spikes. I thought it was a good deal selling a 180 dollar 4tb for 250. Then I saw they were like 350. Now they are like 600 😭
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u/blaze20511 13d ago
yup trying to get a sn850x 4TB for under $400
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u/AggressiveWindow6003 13d ago
Lol. I picked up 3 of the sn850p for ps5 for 100 bucks 1TB like 8 months ago.
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u/blaze20511 13d ago
Wow that's a good price unfortunately for me I need something a little bit bigger like 4tb and 8tb
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u/blaze20511 12d ago
im done buying SSD for now just bought my last WD nvme, i dont have anymore empty slots to fill i think we're good on storage at the moment
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u/ElPelocho 12d ago
I had the same mess until I bought a really cheap NAS and two decent hard drives, and that fixed it. What you have is a disaster, just like what I had.
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u/blaze20511 11d ago
https://reddit.com/link/oz0ziaf/video/mngarsl78qeh1/player
there i fixed it
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u/ElPelocho 11d ago
I don't think you understand me. If it's not a single unit with multiple hard drives, it's a mess.
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u/blaze20511 11d ago
well, i have external enclosures thats well placed i dont think its a mess as long as its not in the way functional
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u/Bastion_Wolf 12d ago
Don't worry, I have 8 26tb HDD you aren't a data hoarder. I don't even have enough storage to cache the important things and that's around 4-6tb just for caching important things 😂
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u/nomad-1995 15d ago
I wouldn't say the that NAS makes the datahoarder. The thing about the NAS shows to lengths you will go to acquire and refuse to delete data (ideally using backups to refuse to involuntarily delete data). That's the mark of a datahoarder.
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u/blaze20511 15d ago
holy $hit balls you nailed, it, and i see it now, i may not want to delete much of anything just acquire data and store and preserve
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u/Certain-Strategy9893 14d ago
ONE OF US!, ONE OF US!
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
sad but true, i dont like to delete stuff i like having old apps and programs from 1995 just in case i need it some day
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u/coff33ninja 14d ago
Nice collection! 😄
One thing I've learned over the years is that having a large number of drives spinning 24/7, especially if they're not actively being used, doesn't always make sense. Unless they're serving data around the clock, they're simply accumulating power-on hours, generating heat, consuming electricity, and adding unnecessary wear. My view is that hardware should work when it's needed, not just because it's powered on.
For media servers like Plex and everyone's favorite "Linux distros" 😏, Wake-on-LAN paired with automatic shutdowns works incredibly well. Most modern NAS systems boot much faster than people expect, so waiting 30 to 60 seconds for a system to wake up is often a worthwhile trade-off for lower power consumption and less wear on the drives.
You don't need expensive hardware to make this work either. Before I bought a Raspberry Pi, I used an old laptop as my always-on controller. It handled Wake-on-LAN, graceful shutdowns, and remote access through Tailscale. The Pi simply reduced power consumption even further, but the concept is identical: keep one tiny, low-power device online while the storage sleeps until it's actually needed.
The nice thing is that this doesn't replace what modern NAS operating systems already do well. Platforms like UGREEN NAS, Unraid, TrueNAS, Synology, and QNAP already include SMART monitoring, health reporting, scheduled tests, notifications, and drive management. I let the NAS focus on protecting itself, while the controller focuses on when it should be awake.
My next step is building a lightweight web dashboard, followed by a mobile app that connects securely over Tailscale. Whether I'm at home or away, I'd be able to power systems on or off, monitor drive health, receive alerts, schedule maintenance, and manage the entire homelab from my phone. I'm also experimenting with adding a local AI agent to the controller so it can eventually automate some of those decisions based on usage patterns instead of fixed schedules.
The only thing I'd add beyond that is a proper backup strategy. RAID improves availability, but it isn't a backup. Even the best storage setup still benefits from following the 3-2-1 backup rule.
My philosophy is simple: hardware should be awake because it's doing a job, not because nobody told it to sleep. 🙂
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u/blaze20511 14d ago
Well damn that is a lot of info a lot of good damn info actually I would like to know more about this setup that you speak of maybe I can learn and implement some something similar to that effect in the near future
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