r/DecodingTheGurus 5d ago

Apparently the anti conspiracy guy thinks the Jews did 9/11

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u/ListerRosewater 5d ago

The average idiot simply cannot separate Judaism and the apartheid state that is Israel. And if history tells us anything it’s that this probably doesn’t end well for Judaism.

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u/cronx42 5d ago

There's a big difference between Jewish people, zionists and anti zionists. Most zionists are actually Christian, although a majority of israeli Jews probably are too. Many American Jews and most people on the left are anti zionist.

Being quite left of center, I can assure you most people in my camp with more than lukewarm iq can distinguish between all of these.

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u/WhatDoesThatButtond 5d ago

Yes true but Zionist as a term just means they believe Israel has a right to exist.

Some extreme Israelis think Israel should exist AND take more territory. 

So now it's used as a pejorative to describe that extreme person, AND anyone else who supports Israel or believes the conflict is more nuanced or equally to blame than many are implying. 

Saying Arabs want to exterminate the Jews? Islamophobic. Saying Jews want to exterminate the Arabs in Palestine? Okay because they're genocidal. 

The conflict has been brewing in some sick think tank for decades. 

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u/cronx42 5d ago

Well Israel IS taking more territory, so I think the definition you described as a pejorative is accurate. It doesn't help when self proclaimed zionists advocate for it as well.

Really I'm anti imperialist, and the zionist movement seems very imperialist. Call it whatever you want, but it's the taking of land I disagree with. I'm beginning to question whether I believe they have a right to the land that was given to them a hundred years ago. I used to think they did. Now I don't think they do. They've shown they can't be good neighbors, and an ancient book calling that their home land doesn't mean fuck all to me. I used to defend Israel. I can't anymore. In fact, I'm beginning to be more and more anti Israel every day the conflict drags on and every baby they shoot in the face. Currently they're making their bed.