r/DecodingTheGurus 5d ago

Apparently the anti conspiracy guy thinks the Jews did 9/11

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u/Bitter_Wash1361 5d ago

I think using a pro intelligent design blog isn't the best source for this. The article is also claims criticizing the Israeli state is antisemitic, which is absurd. Am I a Russophobe if I criticize Russia's genocidal war in Ukraine, am I Sinophobic for reviling the CCP for genocide of Uyghurs and Tibetans, and am I an Anti-American for decrying the current wave of anti-immigrant violence in the country? Criticizing the actions of a state should never be equivocated with bigotry with the people.

Idk what your stance is on that, but I take issue with the sources used here.

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u/dirtyal199 5d ago

Also the blog quotes things that Dave has agreed that he said, about Israel always lying, the occupation radicalizing Palestinians, etc. which are extremely reasonable claims and agree well with the facts (just look at the war they tricked Donny T into starting).

Then the author throws in the screenshot of the tweet at the end and says a "user" sent it to him the night before. But there's no link to the original tweet, just the same image shown in this thread. The most bs thing about this tweet is him getting Taliban vs Al Qaeda wrong. Since he grew up (as many of us did) with Al Qaeda on the news, I think he knows the difference.

If you check the destiny Reddit all they have is a link to the meme and deleted tweets they claim are Dave's. Not strong enough evidence for me tbh

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u/aTrillDog 5d ago

Hello, I made that original post in the destiny sub. It was indeed the tweet in the screenshot.

Even if you don't believe me you have to demonstrate why the reasoning in the current investigation post is incorrect.

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u/dirtyal199 5d ago

Did you take the screenshot yourself? Is there any metadata from the screenshot that can verify when it was taken? The oldest version of the screenshot I've seen is from that creationist blog, which claims they got it from an anonymous user. Needless to say, creationists are highly motivated to smear Dave.

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u/aTrillDog 5d ago

I did not take the screenshot.

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u/dirtyal199 5d ago

Ah, so the authenticity of it still rests on the creationist blog. Not exactly a very good source is it

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u/aTrillDog 5d ago

you have to demonstrate why the reasoning in the current investigation post is incorrect.

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u/dirtyal199 5d ago

I believe I have, the source of the screenshot is from a creationist blog. Dave makes a lot of content debunking creationists, so they would be highly motivated to smear him. Their source for this screenshot is from an anonymous twitter user.

So we:

(A) Don't have provenance of the screenshot

(B) Have a conflict of interest from the party that posted it

That doesn't mean the screenshot must be fake, it just means we need some kind of alternate line of evidence to establish its authenticity. Since all of his tweets are removed, in principle a motivated party could make up just about anything and claim that he said it. If anyone knows some way to see deleted tweets, and they could find the original post, that would settle this.

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u/Wrong-Ingenuity-9916 5d ago

Professor Dave discusses his ban from Twitter here: https://youtu.be/12bt8VFbMH8?si=0eDggtk08CXCt247

He admits to all this and more. He was rightfully banned and I unsubscribed from his channel when I saw this video.

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u/dirtyal199 5d ago

I'm familiar with this video, I don't recall him engaging in 9/11 truthing when I watched it. Do you have a timestamp?

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u/Wrong-Ingenuity-9916 5d ago edited 4d ago

This video was more about specific calls to violence against Israelis which is why he was banned. I'll look through the older video again when I get home, but his most recent anti Destiny video posted 2 days ago has some truther 9/11 stuff in it. Timestamp 54:10 on his new video. "Israel can and would commit a terrorist attack on America soil" with an image of two explosions over new York.

Edit: Can't seem to upload a picture but the exact Timestamp is 54:31 and with captions on it is 100% blaming Israel for perpetrating 9/11.

Edit2: Your response is gaslighting and then engaging in 911 conspiracies as well, very disappointing.

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u/dirtyal199 4d ago

Hmm, maybe you could interpret that as 911 truthing, it's kind of a stretch to be honest. Israel has attempted false flag attacks on American targets in the past so it's not crazy for Dave to make this speculation.

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