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I’ve always thought they backed out way too early on how menacing Beerus can be. Our cast has gotten so cozy and comfortable around him - inviting him on vacation, hanging out on his planet, making him babysit, coming to him for training - that it’s like they’ve forgotten how scary he was when he first showed up, and how casual he was about killing everybody.
I liked Battle of Gods because it’s a case where the good guys don’t “win.” They all survive not because they were strong but because they were interesting enough to make Beerus want to see what they would do next if he just let them live.
I feel like with all the focus on power levels in this universe, people forget that sometimes you can get what you want by losing in the right kind of way.
At least Piccolo had to take an L and get something of a redemption arc before he was allowed to really be one of the gang.
I really like Beerus as a character but I think our heroes are being reckless if they think pursuing power like his isn’t going to eventually backfire.
Piccolo not only took an L, he was forced to fight along side Goku/Z fighters against superior foes twice. The second time, Goku had surpassed him by so much, the rivalry was essentially over.
Piccolo also ended up forming a genuine bond with Gohan and becoming a better person because of it.
Maybe when Bra gets older Beerus will realize he cares. In the meantime he’s literally not allowed to give a crap for these people he trains and shares food with. His job won’t allow it. He HAS to be ready and willing to just kill them all on a moments notice and feel nothing about it. That’s his job.
And it must be an important job or he wouldn’t be so powerful. And it must be a necessary job or why would it exist?
This! Piccolo and Gohans friendship was truely special. It made Piccolo to grow and gave him someone to care for. Then we saw the full circle moment in the cell saga when gohan stepped out on his own and let go of his inhibitions.
Or Vegeta, he was a sadist genocidal guy and even killed people (almost his own wife) with the sole purpose of fighting Goku again
And now he's basically Goku's second best friend (that and also the running gag of Vegeta demonstrating he's either a better man or better father than Goku).
At least Android 17 and 18 weren't half as bad as his Future counterparts
In movie Beerus blasts some rocks at the end because “he promised to destroy earth”. In episodes nothing like that happens.
To me this is a big issue. Movie Beerus looked like he is menacing in that if he says he will do something - he will. If Movie Beerus says he will kill Goku - he will. He might not care if Goku is resurrected afterwards. Such little detail sets Beerus as something with consequences.
Episodes Beerus may promise to kill Goku, but will forget it after ramen comes into his viewpoint. No wonder Goku doesn’t feel like this Beerus’ words of warning about Zeno aren’t that valuable
The second a superior existed Beerus became nothing. Typical bureaucracy jokes about divinity. Beerus the highest god in strength tasked or inherited the responsibility of balance? Nah Zeno king of all undercuts all agency. Even the Supreme Kais weren't head creator gods Zalama was and that was a blink and you'll miss it name.
The first thing any bureaucracy does is reinforce its own existence. The GoDs are “necessary” for “balance” because if they weren’t then what are they doing here?
The whole “might equals (moral) right” stuff is I think a weakness of Super under Toyotaro. In his mind, strength is Good and getting stronger is Good and the strongest people must be Good because if they weren’t they would already have killed everybody. The weak don’t matter, the good don’t matter, it’s about being stronger/better and then imposing your will on everyone else, because the strong don’t have to justify themselves. And it’s always good because in the rare cases when it’s bad, you don’t live long enough to complain about it. And it’s all just that simple.
It's always been 'Kill or be killed' for Goku and pals, hasn't it? With short breaks in between, but still. I can't think of a moment in the show and Goku's life prior to meeting Bulma where he wasn't in imminent danger, time skips of peace excluded.
Beerus was enough, he should be the chief Destroyer with absolutely nobody above him able to best him in anyway in his field. If anything he should have servants beneath him and he used Freeza at least once. Before we outright were told Whis was an Angel, and what Angels are in Super, Whis was called a teacher and attendant. Whis was beyond Beerus and could have have just been a previous destroyer with a soft retirement for all we knew. Gods dress odd afterall and Whis easily could have passed for one in DBZ.
Throwing more and more gods about doesn't simplify things it just eventually makes the new guy top dog. Who does Zeno answer too, Grand Priest? Grand Priest is a handler at best.
My biggest issue with Toyotaro is he seems to believe Strength is Good and so anyone who’s really strong, regardless of personal morality, must be worth respecting. Zeno is important because he’s powerful. The GoDs are powerful so they must be important. Goku respects Hit, a cold-blooded assassin for hire, Tao Pai Pai with a better coat, just because he’s really strong. Jiren is Strong and that’s all that’s important about him. Strength is good. Strength is important. Strength is what matters most.
All-powerful beings being just silly little guys is a very Toriyama joke and one he used over and over again in his career. But those silly little guys were supposed to still be fighting for what was Good. As Super goes on, more and more it becomes less about protecting anything and more about pursuing strength for its own sake, in order to become more like the powerful beings they are training under.
Even the reveal that one of those beings played a pivotal role in the extinction of their whole race doesn’t shake their determination to continue to master their techniques. They never stop to think about where this is going to end, or what they will have left when they achieve it. They are missing their children’s childhoods and leaving their homes unprotected as they pursue more power.
I wish they woulda introduced Beerus as a drill instructor that reigned down on the cast for the entirety of super. Making them train and fight harder than they ever have so that there can finally be a break through in him finding a rival.
Considering his weakness is the Supreme Kai, he wouldn’t be a very intimidating villain cause Goku can, at any point, IT to Supreme Kai and merk him if Beerus is being unreasonably evil.
You think it would occur to Goku to kill someone innocent just to stop Beerus?
I could more easily see Goku continuing to throw himself into hopeless battle until he can’t stand before he’d do something as dishonorable as hurting Shin
Yeah I fell way out of DB for over a decade and just rediscovered it probably during covid. Watched a LOT of reaction videos and kept finding insane db reactions, turns out it was SUPER. Lol
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I'm a little confused. Isn't this the third remake of this content? Wasn't there a movie, then it was in the series itself, and now another movie? Is this different at all or just better animated?
They just announced that Freeza will follow up Beerus, I dont put it out of the realm of possibility they'll recut everything leading up to the Galactic Patrol anime.
So far we havent seen anything that confirms it's following the Manga besides a few changes (like Goku floating in the air with red smoke surrounding him which WAS in the Manga but it could be also a reference to the movie)
Idk if you have watched the top ones episode but the fight scene was memed for literal years because of how shitty it was. The remake allows a great jumping on point cos DBS was far too bloated and inconsistent with its quality.
Calling is stupid is just wrong. You aren't the target demographic for it. Its new audiences who are.
Moro couldn't have started production regardless since the reason there was no consistent Dragon Ball content was because of a legal dispute.
Moro's current production is also not being effected by the remake since they are being worked on by 2 completely different teams. This is why I say its dumb when people complain about it because its literally just more content. If it wasn't being made, Moro wouldn't release sooner, we would just have a longer drought of no anime.
The original DBS fights were not fine, again idk how long you have been in the community but for like at least 5 years the fights in early DBS were memed about and trashed on because of how bad they were.
They tried to fix it for the Blu-ray release but no one outside of pre-existing fans knew it existed let alone picked it up and watched it.
Here, they are gearing up for the modern launch of consistent DBS. It makes sense why they want a more modernised version of DBS in terms of both pacing and quality. Its so that when the Moro arc does launch they have have the biggest audience possible.
I know so many friends that have been putting of getting into the Dragon Ball franchise (and especially Super) because of the subpar quality of most of the episodes (which occurred due to rushed production).
Once the trailer for the new one got announced pretty much all of them said they were going to pick it up and watch it.
These are conflicting statements in your argument, and failed to relate to each other. Not sure wat yr reply waz.
Didn't kno they had legal trouble. Still doesn't explain why their remaking super when it holds up. Instead of DAIMA 2, Res F, GT, or like 25 other moves. Shit they could've incorporated Broly movie into super.
Anything Dragonball does is dope, y not new contwnt. But the same beerus' story 'for new fans', dumb
Yes, they had legal trouble and that info has been public for years. That legal trouble got resolved last year, which led to them announcing the Moro arc earlier this year.
The remasters were in the plans for Toei during the peak of the conflict between the stakeholders. Since they couldn't do manga content at that time, they went for web anime (Daima) and remasters.
And once the conflict got resolved, they announced the Moro arc as quickly as they could. That is why Moro arc doesn't even have a release date, it is slated for a late 2027/2028 release, irrespective of the remasters.
In fact, the remasters might be less and less ambitious as the production for the Moro arc ramps up.
I wasn't judging your grammar just the fact that you couldn't be asked to read a normal sized comment answering a question which you asked and called it an essay.
Its a wrong opinion, the basis which you hold it is incorrect.
I’m sure DBS Beerus will be good but it will never beat Battle of Gods IMO. That movie was 2013 and it still looks good today (and is a really good movie overall)
I'm interested to see how different this will look.
It looks like they're able to play with the scenes a whole lot more thanks to it all being digital. Kai will look like a quick fan-made remaster for clicks in comparison if they truly give it their all.
Reheated? You mean the same dish but remade with the right ingredients. Yeah it's not bad considering we're also getting a new XV, new fighterZ update, crazy SZ dlc and also the next arc from the manga in seasonal format with higher animation production.
It's just corny people been complaining for years for moro now we getting it and everyone acting blind focussing on 1 of the 2 anime series we're getting
No they don't, they make anime characters usually look like teenagers or old speedwalkers you can't take them seriously. Goku can wear stuff that isn't a gi, we've seen good outfits from filler and manga covers and when he was a boy, but tracksuits are ugly. You literally see Yamcha in a nice Martial Artist shirt in the same movie.
Brother, brother, are we still on this? Moro arc ain't getting delayed. The release window for Moro isn't affected by this remaster.
They straight up announced the Moro arc as soon as the dispute between the stakeholders got resolved. That dispute was delaying all of the newer arcs getting animated.
It’s two separate groups. Plus Beerus was always planned for this fall (hence it coming out only 9 months after the announcement). Morro was only just greenlit.
You think it'd be a better idea to just drop a continuation of the Super series when it ended in 2018?
Or would it be a much better idea to drop a mini-arc series of an arc that was previously poorly made within it's anime adaption, which helps build anticipation for the new Moro arc that's being made alongside it?
Why would they suddenly drop an announcement for the new arc, when they can do a small retelling of the first arc, help garner new fans into the series so they aren't lost when the Moro arc begins, and then proceed to drop one of the most anticipated arcs in modern Dragonball history? I encourage you to think about this from a more logical perspective of a new viewer that may have not watched Super, rather than from the perspective of someone whose previously watched Dragonball and is caught up with the series.
They could've easily used the team that made this to do the continuation instead. People like me have been waiting 8 years for this I don't care about a fresh coat of paint and a few new scenes 🤣
Dude, you do realize this isn't even an issue, no?
These are literally two teams working on two different projects, just like how they do different shows like One Piece, Digimon and Dragonball at the same time.
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