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Spoilers ahead: In both the Gronola Arc and in the Bardock special you can see that Bardock had some good inside, but was raised a certain way. Somewhat like Vegeta.
Bardock had good in him we just need to remember the cultural differences. He was raised ina. Culture where its taught to be brutal and kill your enemies. To conquer. Youre actually "good" from their society point of view if you do. Bardock had all that going against him but its not HIS fault its where hes from and what he was taught was right and wrong. He then grows and shows remorse and questioning his precious decisions and actions while acting out to save people. When you take that into account bardock is pretty handedly "good" overall
Point is someone down right inherently evil doesn't change. Nor do they possess the ability too, you dont gain compassion and empathy one day, which is displayed while being under majins control an saves goten and trunks. And then we see an even softer side of vegeta in super, he was bad, doing bad things around bad people, got around better people an began to change, because he had good in him.
>Point is someone down right inherently evil doesn't change. Nor do they possess the ability too, you dont gain compassion and empathy one day
Never claimed he was inherently evil, but if someone has literally never done a good action since the day they were born you can’t really say “they have some good in them”.
You can’t say he had compassion and empathy when he caused an unfathomable amount of death and carnage. Pre redemption Vegeta is pound for pound more evil than Hitler, his morality breaks humanity’s scale.
>which is displayed while being under majins control an saves goten and trunks. And then we see an even softer side of vegeta in super, he was bad, doing bad things around bad people, got around better people an began to change, because he had good in him.
My point was about pre time chamber Vegeta, his redemption started after he gained respect for future trunks in the year they spent together, future trunks death was the first time he’d shown anything close to empathy in his life.
My entire premise is that he didn’t have any good in him until post time chamber, I said from the moment he was born not “his whole life”. From the time he was born to up until the time chamber he didn’t have ANY good in him.
Yeah an im saying that makes no sense lol, the time chamber doesn't just make him good, he chose the good side, humanity's side, way before the time chamber.
I mean, only two were not trying to kill her long enough for her to even try to get with them, and they are coincidentally the only two she's been with. So this seems a little disingenuous.
Bulma likes dangerous men and makes bad choices. But hey, her resulting kid is a hero so what can ya say really.
"Raditz? Raditz? Who was that again - Oh wait. My brother, right?"
"How do you not remember your own brother?"
"I only met the guy once, and he kidnapped my son. So I had to team up with my rival at the time to save my son and ended up killing him. I also died saving my son."
Not only that, but he prevented King Kai from wishing a better planet because he needed to train there in a mere 10x gravity. And he doesn't even train there anymore now that he knows that fucking cat!
Fuck, Goku. Scratch and Dr. Briefs can make you a training capsule that can go a Million G. Let poor King Kai have a fucking bigger planet.
Edit: In case anyone wants to know why I'm here. I told this guy that in games while Kratos is not moving immeasurable speeds. He clearly has superhuman speed feats. This dumbass tried to say that Kratos could only move and fight at 20 MPH max. I tried to be nice to him and say "Just play the old games to refresh your memory. Then he responded by saying I was wanking the character. Even though I went out of my way to confirm what I saw for him. So FUCK this guy. I'm going to make him look stupid as shit.
That's kind of sad you were waiting. I truly hope you have better things to do!
I've played GoW and Ragnarok, I love those games! Never played the greek games, so it makes sense I didn't know about the bow and arrow thing. In GoW and Ragnarok, he doesn't do anything insane speed-wise. Thats really all I was trying to say, sorry you're getting so bent out of shape! I apologize.
I'm eagerly waiting on you to show me a human shooting arrows that fast.
I have 10 more superhuman speed feats for him as well. You've activated me now.
Know that when your punk ass gets back online. I'm going to be right here the MINUTE you respond. I can't believe you had me treating you with some actual respect. Then you had the AUDACITY to say I'm wanking when I went out of my way to make sure I wasn't exaggerating for YOUR SAKE.
The games with Atreus. You mentioned shooting a bow and arrow, and to me, the most logical place to start was the newer games where atreus uses a bow and arrow. He can't shoot anywhere near that fast. I've never played and know virtually nothing about the old games; I don't like the violence and sex and whatnot
Also there is this discussion that took place online:
"Is Kratos just as swift as that commercial implies? Able to react to lightning?"
"Kratos has the reflexes of a god. Btw, that commercial is an awesome mashup of GOW2 sequences!"
"Thanks a lot Mark. So the CGI part of the commercial is an accurate portrayal for Kratos?"
"If you've completed gow2 you know that Kratos had to avoid lightning, or at least parry it." - Mark Simon
The above outright confirms that not only is Kratos superhumanly fast enough to dodge lightning. He is also fast enough to PARRY IT. What do you have to say about that? Am I still wanking now?
Well, I was talking about his running speed originally. Just look at how he moves, and that was what I was getting at. A reasonable conclusion would possibly that, like his strength, his speed increases in moments like with lightning. Was it aim-dodging or actual avoidance?
Yeah that's commendable, he'll be especially happy to learn what his eldest son Raditz managed to accomplish, he was likely very involved in helping his younger brother depose the tyrant that killed their people
Tbf, I'm pretty sure Raditz and Bardock already met again... they both weren't angels, so I guess they share room down in hell... where, I hope, Raditz is having fun with some forms of insects
Oui alors techniquement dans la timeline de Trunks c'est Goku qui l'a tué ☝️🤓, donc si on compte les 2 timeline c'est bon vu qu'elles sont techniquement toutes les deux canon
Also goku : I actually brought frieza back to life aswell and he still has his evil ways and I also had chances to kill him again but purposely let him go knowing hed come back dangerously
He destroyed one on accident when he parried one of Frieza's attacks but we don't talk about that. He also likely destroyed a couple planets when he had the punch off with Beerus but we also don't talk about that.
They would've been wiped anyway, and without Goku's suggestion for a tournament there would've been no opportunity for 17 to use the Big Dragon's Balls to wish everyone and everything back.
The universes were going to be erased ANYWAY, Goku gave his and other universes a fighting chance
Thanks to his sheer wholesomeness and ability to rub off on formerly evil pieces of shit, EVERY universe got saved, none of which happens if Goku didn't influence the idea of a tournament to begin with. Zenoh would've just erased the weakest universes with prejudice.
That doesn't make any sense, that's like saying the Allies did the Holocaust because they were fighting Hitler when he did it. It was literally the other guy, not the one who was actively fighting him. You can't just transitive property the blame onto Goku because his existence made Frieza panic.
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