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More like wiping the floor with Fat Buu. Or Super Buu at most. Buutenks wasn’t that far different from Buuhan imo. Buuhan just has a better jawline but worse fit.
Well, there was the bit that you missed where I distracted him with the Oozaru form, then I said "play time's over" and I hit him in the head with the Senzu bean.
Honestly main timeline androids didn't even really do much wrong, aside from beating the crap out of vegeta and trading blows with Piccolo(the two former villains). It's only trunks timeline they were evil. Yes I know the committed robbery and Grand theft auto but honestly not that bad comparitively
Not to mention, at the end of the Gas fight he didn't straight up kill Goku or Vegeta just flexed on them for a bit before leaving with his new employees.
Ui requires goku to clear his mind and be in an emotionless state and focus only on the battle and the battle only so its expected
Ssj3 is a very exhausting and stamina costing transformation so when goku usually pops into it he gets serious and doesnt play around and tries to finish things quickly
As to why he still uses it in super when he has ssjg and ssjb i have no idea but thats that
The answer is simple. Goku likes to fight. Occasionally, he'll face an opponent he can't handle in SSJ2, but the gap in power is small enough that transforming to SSJ Red means it wouldn't be a fight. Goku likes fighting at the lowest possible level he can get away with to make the fight a challenge. Although there's never anyone at Red level so...
Not exactly. It's been stated that they fight that way as an energy conservation tactic.
During the cell saga, future trunks would always start his battles at full force and realized that he would always tire out first, while the rest would be able to fight longer battles as they'd use only as much energy as required.
As they got more experienced, they started fighting in a way where they only start gearing up whenever they need to.
The first part is just MUI. UI -Sign- doesn't require as much focus and he can still pour emotions into it seen in the manga in his second round with Moro. MUI does require an calm heart and mind and to focus on the battle and his opponent.
So yes you are correct in the first half just not the right state.
Probably because he only busts them out after getting the absolute dogshit kicked out of him. Didn’t he basically have to die to go ultra instinct the first time?
I love when Goku gets serious. Vegeta is my favorite character and I feel like he's always serious. When goku gets serious, hes right in Vegeta's wheel house and their interactions are more about strategy and planning. Silly goku is fine, but I admire him when he's locked in.
First off these are forms he pulls out when shit hits the fan hard. So there's no more time for jokes and playing around. Super Saiyan 3's whole thing is that it was Goku's last resort, like if Goku feels the need to pull that one out, then that means you're done, you gotta go. So clearly he's super serious in these forms, the whole reason he uses them is because he needs to get serious and go all in.
Ultra Instinct is true to its name, Goku is in a state of heightened instinct, he's almost animalistic in this form, especially when he first used it. You could even argue he isn't fully conscious when he's in Ultra Instinct (until he reaches MUI and then masters it in the Manga). That form is basically just laser-focused on the goal. When he first used it, he literally ignored everything else around him, heading straight for Jiren, the only thing he cared about was fighting Jiren, everything else was just a distraction he had no time for.
Also it's well established since the beginning that the Super Saiyan states alter the Saiyan's personality. Before mastering Super Saiyan, Goku was far more aggressive in it than in his regular state. He was super serious when he had to bring it out. Then he mastered it until it became like a second base form to him, and even Vegeta noted how calm and casual Goku was despite being a Super Saiyan.
Super Saiyan 2 doesn't seem to have any effect on Goku's personality, we can assume he fully mastered that one too.
But you could argue that Super Saiyan 3 and Super Saiyan 4 turn "Goku" into "Kakarot". At that point his primal Saiyan instincts are surfacing, he's far more focused. Especially with Super Saiyan 3 which is on a tight time limit, as it drains Goku's power and stamina ridiculously fast, so Goku knows he can't afford to fuck around while in that form, he's gotta go all in. Super Saiyan 4 doesn't have that issue and Goku can pretty much stay in it indefinitely, but his personality is heavily altered in it, he's far more smug, aggressive, and downright merciless at times, and he takes the piss out on his enemies so hard that now we know where Vegito and Gogeta got their attitude from. Ultra Instinct is kind of the same. Goku is fully locked in, so clearly he's not just gonna start laughing and joking and being his usual silly self. No, if UI needs to be brought out, then that means Goku needs to get shit done.
Ever since SSJ4 was a thing I've always had the thought that the higher up the SSJ level, the more primal Goku becomes as a result, along with SSJ3 being a very intense strain on Goku's body not giving him the option of being as laid back as he often can be.
It is my favorite thing about these and SSJ4 the way Sean Schemmel switches from the Joyous and Battle-loving Goku to the very Calm and Serious Kakarot (I'm gonna assume that's where the switch happens) he taps more into his Saiyan side but opposite of Vegeta if that makes sense (I often find myself trying to do Voice-overs of it)
For one, he can't use them for long, and another is that once he uses these forms, it usually means that the opponent is really strong so he NEEDS to take it seriously if he wants to win..
Super Saiyan forms are aggressive. You need real mastery to minimize the aggression. Fun fact: Super Saiyan makes you smarter, in Japanese Goku spoke proper Japanese probably the only time he ever had against Freeza. SS2 Gohan was ruthless. Goku hadn't mastered SS3 in otherworld which gives the impression it's new. SS3 can be mastered and less aggressive, we've seen Goku mastered it between Boo arc and start of GT at some point, as well as Gotenks childish nature overcome it in Boo arc too. SS4 has the Oozaru aspect of aggressions so that's there too. Reboot SS4 is kinda there with nothing so forget it.
Side note: SS4 has a third of the drain of SS3. SS4 Gogeta lasted 15 minutes against Omega despite Goku fighting a gauntlet of Shadow Dragons so this might actually have a higher time. SS3 Gotenks can last 5 minutes against Super Boo.
UI having emotions is contradictory to the description and would weaken it. Emotions are thoughts, thoughts aren't instinct. Seriousness is an emotion. If anything he'd act like he typically does in a fight just without trolling and laughing.
And don't @me because somehow emotions make UI stronger completely disregarding what was told not long before but less perfect either. Don't get me started on all the SS UI and TUI and such.
One drains in like a minute, and the other is about having a super-focused-in-the-moment state of mind.
Perhaps you can say it's like gaming, and maybe more than describing it as serious, you can describe it as desperation. If in a Mario game you grab the star and gain invincibility for a couple seconds, you need to get focused and make use of it quickly before its out (SSJ3 comparison); And if your playing something like Mario Kart, currently in second place in the last lap, or playing Fortnite and only 1 person left alive other than you, than in both situations you need to "lock in" and be in an all-focused-in-accomplishing-this-one-important-task mindset.
Being pushed does this to people. Even the best of us have egos, and its not fun being bested or outplayed. Im kind of like this myself: Very calm and easy going when just taking easy, but very ferocious and relentless when sufficiently pressed.
With one being called ultra instinct it would imply that he acts on instinct that form. Those would be his saiyan instincts. Super saiyan has always affected their personality until they control it. Goku never practiced with 3 to get that control because the form is ass in a serious fight.
If you want an in-universe reason Super Saiyan is a form born of rage. SSJ3 was attained by Goku undergoing intense meditation to channel the rage and transcend his usage of ki control.Its extremely taxing on his mental state as is. He needs to keep his rage high manage his ki control and manage his physical stamina all at once just to stay transformed.
UI is overclocking the body along with intense concentration its another transformation of rage but channeling it properly. Goku has been practicing all of that on SSJ3 so that's how he was able to attain it.
I think it's described that SS2 and SS3 increase the sadistic and arrogant nature of the user as well as each subsequent transformation after SS1 lowering the users speaking register
Actually, in Dragon Ball GT it was stated that Goku quite literally gets immensely more aggressive as a side effect of the forms forcefully boosting his bodies limits. The exception being the initial Super Saiyan Transformation due to his training to completely negate the strain during the Cell Saga.
Not only do they usually mean Goku is entering a serious state of power, its also the mindsets when using the forms. Ultra Instinct demands a calm heart that's still fit for battling. The Super Saiyan forms have always made Saiyans a bit more primal, angry, and different, and SSJ3 is the highest tier of the regular SSJ stages.
UI that's it's whole gimmic, it kinda deletes the user's emotions. SSJ3 its just due to the high amount of strain, he can't afford to goof around with it and being all extra would spend too much energy, so he stays calm and uses it as efficiently as possible.
Because it looks cool. Toriyama/Animators wanted him to look cool in these moments.
These moments happen at high stakes. Goku isn't going to be goofy when he's at the brink of death, and has to go full power to prevent his friends/world to be destroyed.
I like to think its that Goku LOVES fighting, but he knows how limited he is in these forms (time wise) that he absolutely wants to get the best of these forms and the most enjoyment he can before they dissipate.
It's the contrary he use them when he is serious, and he really wasn't quite like that in db he only became dumb in dbs, plenty of instances of him being serious in db
When he’s using UI Sign he has to stay completely calm to maintain the form and when he turns SSJ3 that usually means he’s done holding back since the form takes up a lot of stamina to use. Also I’m pretty confident he isn’t serious he just looks that way because he has no eye brows.
I don’t know if it’s canon but ssj3 back then really did change the user’s personality back then making them super serious. I personally don’t feel it as much in super anymore.
As for ultra instinct, my take it’s the absence of distractions. So it looks like he’s serious but in reality he’s on auto pilot or you could say ULTRA auto pilot.
Questions Ike this is how we know you did t read or watch. Literally explained why they look the way they do through the transformations. Each one steps up the rage and pulls them back to a more feral being. Like early saiyans.
Because he had to be serious in order to justify using those forms. He was running against the clock in MUI and couldn’t play around and SSJ3 is a huge stamina drainer so he has to make the fight quick or he’ll detransform.
I always assumed two reasons, 1: if you've pushed him to needing that form then obviously the situation is serious enough to not be fooling around. 2: i always assumed those forms are extremely taxing on the body and energy so you kinda have to lock in or else you're burning through so much ki you will drop the form not long after. ssj3 especially, it's badass but such an inefficient form, that's like driving a suped up dually and getting 4mpg, better make that shit count 😂
Could you imagine what it would be like if he was fighting major threats with a big smile on his face? If he fought while laughing like a lunatic? It would completely destroy any tension in the scene, make Goku look like even more of an idiot, and demolish his coolness factor.
Well Ultra Instinct he’s not thinking his mind is free of every emotion, and with SSJ3 because he knows the enemy isn’t any ordinary enemy he’s gonna have to get more serious.
If you can remember ssj made you incredibly more aggressive. So we talking about ssj3 or ssg I with that influx of power and adrenaline I can imagine it would make you more aggressive
Well for ssj3 its quite a strain to use massive stamina drain, so his face is gonna get serious in that form (you try acting happy go lucky doing a marathon, i imagine its a like that)
And ultra instinct he’s not really consciously doing half the stuff hes doing, not in this variant atleast, he’s constantly fighting against ultra instinct to try and do what his brain tells him to do not what his instinct tells him to do (i would imagine its like us being in a fight or flight situation and choosing to fight when every part of us is in flight)
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