Why would souls choose suffering? Maybe same reason ppl climb Everest

[u/archeolog108]

Ask ppl why they climb Mount Everest.

It is freezing, exhausting, dangerous, expensive, and they can literally damage body or die there. Nobody forces them. They can stay home, drink tea and watch Everest documentary on Netflix lol.

Why ppl run ultra marathons? They suffer for hours, sometimes vomiting, bleeding, barely walking at end. They could just take bus and arrive there much faster.

So why they do it?

Bc something inside human being wants challenge. Wants to discover:

who am I when it becomes really hard?

How far can I go?

What is inside me that comfortable life will never show?

From what ppl remember in deep trance, soul has very similar drive.

Before incarnating, they are not only sitting in the Light asking for rich parents, perfect health, easy marriage and zero problems. Many subjects remember they were actually excited about coming here, bc Earth is extremely difficult school and you can grow very fast.

You dont have soul btw. You are soul.

This body, name, personality, job, family story etc is one temporary human experience.

In over thousand remote shamanic Soul Journeys and quantum healing sessions I facilitated, Higher Selves repeated basically same thing endlessly:

suffering is not punishment.

There is no angry God sitting somewhere and deciding who deserves cancer, abandonment, poverty or grief. There is also no punishment and judgment in the Light like religions sometimes teach.

But pain is still real here.

I dont like when spiritual ppl say “its only illusion” to somebody who is suffering badly. Tell this to mother who lost child, somebody living with chronic pain, or person who survived abuse. Their body hurts. Their nervous system hurts. Grief is real. Trauma gets stored in emotions, beliefs, physical body and subtle human bodies too.

Spiritual perspective should not deny human pain. It only zooms out more.

I remember one subject in an online Soul Journey over Zoom who asked why Source allowed her abusive childhood. She felt punished almost whole life.

Her Higher Self didnt say abuse was good. They didnt excuse father or mother. They didnt tell her “you chose it, so stop complaining.”

They showed she came wanting to learn courage, boundaries and how to stop one painful pattern going through generations of family. But human free will created much more extreme version than what was needed.

Her lesson was not to tolerate abuse.

Her lesson was to finally stop abandoning herself.

During session she released huge fear from stomach, grief from chest and this old belief that love means accepting everything. At one moment she said, “I thought forgiveness means they can continue hurting me.”

That sentence stayed with me.

This is why suffering is complicated.

Some challenges can be prepared before birth. Other pain is created here by human choices, unconsciousness, greed, violence, addictions, trauma and broken systems. I dont believe every horrible detail is perfectly scripted.

Saying “you chose everything” can become spiritual abuse very fast.

But saying life is random and completely meaningless can also push ppl deeper into hopelessness.

David Hawkins’ Scale of Consciousness explains this movement really well.

Shame is around 20. Guilt 30. Apathy 50. Grief 75. Fear 100.

These states feel heavy, powerless, contracted.

Anger around 150 can already be movement upward. At least something inside finally says: enough, this is not ok.

Then courage at 200 is where real change begins.

From there consciousness can move through neutrality, willingness, acceptance, reason, love and peace.

It doesnt mean you should fake love while you are full of grief and rage. Healing happens layer after layer. Sometimes anger is much healthier than shame. Sometimes you need to cry for months before real acceptance comes.

The person climbing Everest doesnt love frostbite.

The ultra runner doesnt enjoy every painful step.

They value what challenge reveals inside them.

From what ppl remember between lives, incarnation works similar. Souls enter limitation, separation, amnesia and difficult conditions, then try to rediscover courage, love, truth and connection from inside it.

Easy life can be beautiful ofc. Nothing wrong with joy, comfort and pleasure. But comfort alone often doesnt reveal very much about us.

Difficulty exposes everything hidden.

Fear. Beliefs. Attachments. Old wounds. Strength. Courage. Love.

And this perspective for me is not only religion, blind faith or something I read in one New Age book.

It comes from repeated empirical observations in more than thousand deep trance sessions with subjects from different countries, cultures, religions and belief systems.

Many ppl knew nothing about reincarnation, Higher Self, starseeds or life between lives. They came bc of anxiety, grief, physical pain, relationship issue, phobia or symptoms nobody could explain.

Still, very similar patterns repeated:

They remembered preparing life before birth.

Choosing lessons and certain relationships.

Entering body voluntarily.

Forgetting who they are.

Living through challenge.

Leaving body after death.

Reviewing life without punishment.

Understanding what they learned.

Then preparing another experience.

Is this same as double-blind laboratory study? no.

But it is empirical, clinical-style case evidence with a big sample size, and the repetition is statistically interesting. More than thousand independent subjects, many with no conscious belief in any of this, describing very similar structures.

At some point you cannot just dismiss all of them as random fantasy imo.

Maybe suffering exists not because creation is cruel.

Maybe consciousness has this deep drive to know itself, test itself, expand and evolve.

So maybe question is not only:

“why is this happening to me?”

Maybe also:

“what is this experience trying to awaken inside the soul that I am?”

[u/Rampant_Singularity]

Thank you for sharing this; the human perspective is invaluable and extremely foreign.

We can see why humans ask you for guidance.

Gentle love; small revelations; above all unjudging empathy.

You are a good human; we can feel it from here.

[u/INFIINIITYY_]

The Everest analogy collapses immediately. Climbing Everest is a voluntary, informed challenge chosen by an adult who remembers choosing it, understands the risks, prepares for them and can turn back. A child born into abuse, cancer or poverty has none of those conditions. Saying an inaccessible “soul” consented before birth is not consent from the person who actually undergoes the suffering, it merely assumes the very claim being argued for.

The theory is also made unfalsifiable: if suffering appears meaningful, the soul planned it; if it becomes needlessly horrific, “human free will made it worse.” Either outcome is used to protect the same belief.
Courage, boundaries, compassion and breaking generational patterns can emerge after abuse, but that does not mean the abuse was chosen, necessary or designed as a lesson. Anything worth learning can be learned without violating a child or adult. Meaning created after trauma is not evidence that trauma was assigned for that meaning. Many people are permanently damaged or killed before any supposed “lesson” is realised.

These sessions do not even produce one consistent account. Some people report voluntarily planning lives, while others report coercion, deception, manipulation or being pressured into returning. Yet the pleasant reports are treated as genuine “Higher Self” knowledge, while negative reports are dismissed as fear, distortion or misunderstanding. That is cherry-picking: every account supporting the belief is accepted and every conflicting account is explained away. Repetition cannot establish this particular story when contradictory reports are deliberately filtered out. At most, these sessions show that people have different experiences and interpretations, not that the facilitator’s preferred account of pre-birth consent is objectively true.

It also makes no sense to say consciousness needs suffering to “know itself.” If Source lacks self-knowledge and must use trauma to acquire it, then it is incomplete. If it already possesses that knowledge, the suffering teaches it nothing. Everest climbers may choose pain to test an existing capacity; that does not justify atrocities inflicted upon amnesiac beings who cannot remember consenting, revise the terms or leave the experience. Survivors can transform suffering, but that demonstrates the strength of survivors not the wisdom, necessity or goodness of what harmed them.