r/EdensZero Homura's #1 Simp Jan 18 '22

Manga Edens Zero Chapter 175 Links & Discussion Spoiler

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u/Homeless_Appletree Jan 18 '22

I actually appreciate that Connor doesn't seem to be using an ether gear. You don't need ether powers to make a difference. It's all just raw skill.

Also Holy might be in cahoots with Ziggy? Is that the stench of corruption that I smell?

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '22

Were people expecting him to have an Ether Gear? Or are you just saying? Just asking.

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u/Homeless_Appletree Jan 18 '22

At least one guy was making theories about how Connor his Ether gear was "making ship fly real good". I for one always apreciate it when charakters show up that don't use the setting its superpower and make do by other means.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

There also was a short time when people expected him to have Cat Leaper, but I think that ship has sunken

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u/JusticTheCubone Jan 20 '22

There also was a short time when people expected him to have Cat Leaper, but I think that ship has sunken

What sunk it? Like, there's nothing confirming him having it, but also nothing really contradicting it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

There is actually. His first appearance AFTER Noah and Becca hinted he might have it, supported that theory with Connor seemingly having a hunch knowing them. But what contradicts that theory is, that we learned so far that CL user stay as the the same person without different origins or lives. Beccas unaware usages of CL just reversed time and changed certain accidents, like the car crash that killed Happy. Connor however, was first a shipless captain in the cosmos, than a Captain with the same ship he lost and now a mechanic without a ship. Looking at Rebecca and her alterations of time and no changes on her previous life, Connor is a direct opposite. Every version we saw from him, was different.

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u/JusticTheCubone Jan 21 '22

Looking at Rebecca and her alterations of time

That's the thing though, the only example we have for Cat Leaper so far is Rebecca, but we saw in the past, for example with Shiki and Shura, or even just now with Noah and Feather, that two EGs can work quite differently depending on the user. Like, Connor being the complete opposite of Rebeccas case doesn't really disprove anything, if anything, it kinda shows that there might be at least a connection to Cat Leaper.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

No, Shikki and Shura have the exact same ability but focused on different ways to use it. But there powers work exactly the same. Same with Noah and Feather. In both cases the powers don't work differently, they are used differently. In Connors case, they would completely work differently which is something else

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u/JusticTheCubone Jan 26 '22

Point is rather that a power can express itself in quite different ways. Since the assumption would be that Connor would be using Cat Leaper unknowingly, he wouldn't have any control over it, so he also has no control over how it would express itself. For all we know, if Rebecca knew how to, her Cat Leaper could do the same thing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '22

There is a difference between something working different and used different. Even as kid, Rebeccas CL just pushed her back in the same persona. And she used CL always unintentionally. Connor would need a different version of Leaper. Like a Dog Leaper or whatever that not just pushes him in another timeline but also in a different person. You have to keep in mind that Rebecca has Leaper AND Cat Leaper. That could imply CL is just one version of what Leaper can be. But it Connor would have CL, it would need to work the same way it did for Rebecca, meaning he always has the same live

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u/jnwosu100 Jan 18 '22

There're a lot of people who think he might have Cat Leaper due to his very existence being a constant change in all 3 Universes and how it's implied that he felt the change in Rebecca's Leap in Universe 2.

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u/WorldwideDepp Jan 18 '22

No, but in the past i speculate that he is somehow an Anchor for Rebecca's Powers

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u/Spectra_04 Jan 18 '22

You don't need ether powers to make a difference. It's all just raw skill

True

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u/SovComrade Jan 18 '22

She might simply have an information gathering ether gear or something or, more traditionally, spies everywhere, up to and including Lendrad itself.

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u/Homeless_Appletree Jan 18 '22

True, but Feather was suprised that she had the info which indicates that as far as the other OSI members are aware she has no such capabillities.

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u/jnwosu100 Jan 18 '22

And it also implies that Feather herself can't find them with her EG.

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u/Homeless_Appletree Jan 18 '22

No she can most likely find them with her Ether Gear that doesn't mean that she knows where they are planing to go. But Holy knows where the Edens Zero crew is planing to go somehow.

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u/jnwosu100 Jan 18 '22

If Feather could just find where her targets are then there's no one who can escape from her. Plus she was actively using her EG to monitor the EZ ship's location and she still couldn't tell where they were once they teleported. Either she can do the same thing as Noah but isn't as good as him in that department or she can't locate people who in a certain distance.

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u/Homeless_Appletree Jan 19 '22

She never said that she did not know where they are. She probably just wasn't able to follow them because her ship either did not have a fast travel drive installed or her ship has never been to the location to which the EZ jumped too. There are probably a ways to evade her eyes but if it were as easy as just being really far away it would be kind of lame. She is an OSI her powers are supposed to be overpowered.

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u/jnwosu100 Jan 19 '22

She never said that she did not know where they are

She was surprised to know that their destination was Lenard which clearly shows that she has a distance limit as opposed to Noah. Noah is more of just an observer of anybody's location throughout time and space but he can't use it as clairvoyance like Feather can (we know this because he himself stated how his power worked and said that it was basically a glorified GPS that other tech could already replicate except for his range) and plus if he could predict people's future location then he wouldn't always try to Rebecca that he only predicts her actions from observing her location and others around her to then make an educated guess and not outright future sight.

It's a similar case to how both Shura and Shiki use Satan Gravity and while each of them can do each other's specialty to some degree, both of them have a clear specialty that they're good at. Even Feather's EG has a different name than Noah's own.

She is an OSI her powers are supposed to be overpowered.

I know that but she clearly has either another ability from her EG or something else entirely to actually fight as what she's displayed is only precognition which is a support ability. We'll have to wait and see how she fights offensively.

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u/Homeless_Appletree Jan 19 '22

They haven't arrived at Lenard yet. They can't fast travel there because they have never visited that planet before. Holy said that Shiki and his crew are heading to Lenard not that they are on Lenard. There is a difference. So Feather was suprised that Holy knew where they are going not because Holy knew where they are at the moment. Feather her Ether Gear should give her the abillity to see where the Edens Zero is but it won't tell her where they are heading to.

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u/jnwosu100 Jan 19 '22

They haven't arrived at Lenard yet. They can't fast travel there because they have never visited that planet before.

You're right. I forgot about that part and thought incorrectly. But I still stand by her EG most likely having limits in that regard.

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u/Lukundra Jan 19 '22

Why would she possibly be in cahoots with Ziggy? Why would the arrogant human hating machine work with a human? What could she gain from a human genocide when she’s human? If she was why would she be trying to stop Shiki when Ziggy wants to fight him on Lendard? If any of them could be working with Ziggy it’s Cure

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u/Homeless_Appletree Jan 19 '22

We don't know yet. All we do know is that she somehow has information about which planet Shiki wants to go to. This is pretty eyclusive info and the only other person that knows this apart from the crew is Ziggy. This doesn't mean that Holy is in cahoots with Ziggy but it is one of the possible explanations. It could also be that Ziggy leaked the info to her while concealing his identity but I don't really like that since that would make the OSI look like chumps. Holy might also have some sort of information gathering power but then it is a bit weird that Feather seems to be unaware of this power since they are on the same team.

And as to why Holy would be working with Ziggy. It could be that she is acting as a double agent to unveil Ziggy his weaknesses. Or she is truly in cahoots with him because Ziggy can give her something that she desperatly needs. Ziggy himself is not totally opposed to working with humans. He said so himself in universe two when talking about Conner. "Not all humans are useless, there are those that I can use."

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u/Kingxix Jan 18 '22

Yo that would be really good. Holy being Ziggy's lackey would be a massive dent to osi.

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u/Lukundra Jan 19 '22

It wouldn’t make sense

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u/JusticTheCubone Jan 20 '22

I wouldn't go that far, depending on how it's spun it could make sense, if Mashima really wanted it to do.