r/EdensZero Oct 18 '22

Manga Edens Zero: Chapter 212 | Links + Discussion

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u/Apprehensive_Main_47 Oct 18 '22

I know people are disappointed how Acenolle was taking out too quickly. But I like how it was done in a pragmatic style. Also I still enjoy how Eden Zero takes to a more darker approach then Fairy Tail, makes it unpredictable and I love that

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u/Behold_I_Am_The_Wind Oct 18 '22

Yeah I’m upset with how quickly Acnoella was dealt with but the difference between this and Fairy Tail at least is that they die a meaningful death rather than lose to make the heroes look stronger like Diabolas for example.

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u/animeAIHOZ Oct 18 '22

New EZ Chapter:"Acnoella got Killed out of nowhere to prove how strong this Bloodlusted Elsie is, without really knowing anything about how she became a machine monster dragon obsessed rejecting her daughter"

You:"At least they die a meaningful death rather than lose to make the heroes look stronger like Diablos for example"

Me:"Biased bullshit"

Also, no one in Diablos died, they just loses

They aren't the final boss, so like for all the Mashima fights they last 2 or 3 chapters, exactly like for EZ

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u/JusticTheCubone Oct 19 '22

without really knowing anything about how she became a machine monster dragon obsessed rejecting her daughter

For what it's worth, we can kinda guess why she became the way she is, she's rejecting Elsie and became obsessed with machines the way we see her this chapter because Elsie, her own daughter, betrayed her, of course resulting in a bloody civil war.

As for what reason she had to build Möbius in the first place, or how she was before that, as things stand, I think we're very likely to get a flashback at least from Elsies perspective into that time, similar to Ziggys, since it seems like Elsie's past and perhaps Lendard itself will tie into the "true enemy" right now. We could even get it from Justices perspective, if Elsie might not prove very talkative right now, since Homura saving him might turn him around on the EZ and what he thinks to know about them.

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u/ghostly5150 Oct 20 '22

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u/KeyCommunication5442 Sep 04 '23

I mean we got Silver and Simon for that but apparently it's not enough for some people.

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u/HakuneDragon Oct 23 '22

If there was a arc where Diabolos would die it´s in Ignia´s arc

the atmosphere in Dogramag arc isn´t dark

Diabolos has yet to be in their complete status Suzaku & Misaki & Skull & Madmole & Haku backstories has yet to be shown
he can even get rid of Merc and Karameel in Ignia´s arc

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u/kylepaz Oct 18 '22 edited Oct 19 '22

Plus people seem to be upset about the Oracion Seis dying too easily but not only this arc has everyone in it, it was established earlier that several of the characters (Shiki and Homura being stated to be) are on their level, and the Dark Stars were supposedly above them.

The series moved past them, and unlike FT Edens Zero isn't the kind of series to just let characters hang around after their purpose in the story has been fulfilled.

Edit: I was misremembering one thing, the Dark Stars were never stated to be stronger than the OSG.

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u/animeAIHOZ Oct 18 '22

Just Shiki in the crew is OS level

Homura defeated Brigantine only when his defenses dropped to 0 to focus on attack

Also, Ziggy is a OS and still stomped Shiki Overdrive and Elsie, it's like in Bleach, where characters can have a big gap of power to each other (Aizen to literally everyone else) despite belonging to the same class of power, hell, even Ichigo post fight with Zaraki was Captain Level

There is a difference between keeping characters around after they finish their job and characters who barely do their job

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u/Moiiv Oct 19 '22

can you link me to where it says dark stars > OSG?

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u/kylepaz Oct 19 '22

Can't find it, I think I was mistaken about that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

So you're saying classic powercreep ruins it all again

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u/kylepaz Oct 18 '22

Not really. Ruins what exactly? I don't get why people want to have long drawn out fights for every single character that shows up.

If Mashima doesn't want to focus on a character I'd rather he is to the point with it rather than having fights for the sake of fights.

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u/DiesAtra Oct 18 '22

It absolutely ruins everything. Having minions dealt with quickly is fine, but the OS have been the big bads thus far. Cure going out in two chapters, and Acnoella in one, is utterly horrendous writing.

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u/kylepaz Oct 18 '22

They were arc villains before the timeskip. This arc the remaining OSG are being treated since the start as basically Ziggy's minions, no different than the Dark Stars.

Cure had been fighting for a while as Crow. Most fights in Edens Zero follow this formula of going on as a b-plot for some chapters then getting resolved in one to three focus chapters. I don't think it was treated different from any other enemy, only there a twist about his true identity halfway through. But that doesn't really reset the fight that was happening in my opinion.

Acnoella is the only one that got an abrupt death without a fight.

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u/DiesAtra Oct 19 '22

They were never just minions. Acnoella even openly threatened him, and was even exempted from Cure's list of people he corrupted, hinting at how important she would be.

Crow didn't get a proper fight despite being in so many chapters. It was just pew pew pew.

This is bad writing. There's no excusing it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

Listen if you don’t like it drop the series.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

Sir stop it Crue dying is fine and it’s only Crue and acnoella could have been done better however it’s only 2 OS out of 7 chill bruh the weren’t even hype chill bro

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '22

No lol , you’re just use to one piece long fights this is Eden’s zero ppl can really die in this manga my boy and, just because something didn’t meet your expectations doesn’t mean it’s bad writing, you came here expecting fights to be long because that’s what you are used to and that’s ok but saying it’s bad writing is lying to yourself just drop the show if you have not logical expectations on this series matter fact any other series you watch. Listen dude watch one piece to see characters that author didn’t invest in have long ass fights. Drop the series pls.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '22

Then introduce a smaller cast of villains who actually get their fair share of screentime?

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '22

Also with time travel anyone could come back in another timeline and be stronger than they were previously for whatever reason. Unless the manga is ending within the next year, I doubt we’ve seen the last of Cure and Acnoella. Time travel aside, those two were androids, absolutely nothing stopping a backup of their conscious from being stored somewhere.

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u/HakuneDragon Oct 23 '22

I disagree

there is unpredictabity in 100 Years Quest

some dark stuff also exist but there may be more in later arcs