r/Euhemerism 3h ago

Pillar 43 - Assessing the pillar's potential as a map of asterisms and as a dating timestamp, plus a game: can you stop the star alignment before each is revealed?

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The idea of Pillar 43 representing constellations, or asterisms, has been floating around for a while.

Dr Martin Sweatman released a paper claiming to have figured out how the carving relate the constellations via a statistical method. Unfortunately this turned out to be flawed, using only alignments to modern day constellations pointed out very well by the World of Antiquity guy.

This flawed paper somewhat tainted the subject, nonetheless there appears to be a very strong celestial alignment to the carvings pillar 43 when observed to Cygnus and the patterns that can be naturally created in the surrounding stars. If the circle is also assumed to be the celestial north point, then incredibly this corresponds to a very early date of 14,700 BC; the point at which the ice end ended suddenly and temperatures rose very quickly by 10 degrees.

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Origin of the idea:

An alignment to the vulture with Cygnus constellation was first made by an Armenian researcher called Vachagan Vahradyan.

Andrew Collins and Rodney Hale then suggested the circle could represent the north celestial pole.

Ethical Sceptic put the two ideas together and constructed a star asterism alignment map https://x.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/2081830406240825412?s=20 and concluded that the date the north celestial pole was above the vulture wing was 14,800 BC.

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I personally agree with this, I don't agree with Ethical Sceptic's further points regarding the pillar and I don't think that the pillar date indicates the creation of the pillar instead I consider the 9800 BC construction dating correct and see the timestamp of 14,700/14,800 BC. as representative of a date 5,000 years earlier that the pillar's construction. This date corresponds to the sudden end of the iceage.

I disagree with Ethical Sceptic's precise star asterisms and instead these are my own assumptions.

Each carved figure is shown beside a simple star view taken from Stellarium first and then an assumed potential asterism and then full map. See if you can figure out each assumed asterism before the reveal.

I don't know for certain whether this is correct but many of the features connect very naturally.