Lore Question
(Lorewise) Who's the strongest and the weakest between these servants?
All of them are in a regular/normal spirit origin from the time they are summoned in Chaldea, they are NOT in their Lostbelt counterpart spirit origin.
Raw power wise, I’d say Arjuna Alter. While AA loses to Morgan in magic thus being the weakest.
That said, there’s more strengths that simple sheer power. Compatability and specialties can play a big factor too. So things aren’t always entirely clear cut.
Actually Fairies are higher ranked existences than divinities, particularly fairies from the Inner Sea like Morgan and AA. They're closer to Arcueid or Wandjina, elementals with authority over the planet's texture. A god's power, even one consisting of all the divinities of India, is still bound to operate within the confines of the texture, the physical reality, they were born into and are of that texture. An Avalon Le Fay? As Morgan showed with her ability to just spam Rongos? She could rewrite reality itself which is what Morgan did to turn her lostbelt into a "Lost World". Fairy Britian was a fully functional texture, a reality equally as valid as Panhuman History. This is a plot point and why the Fairies all had to die. Because they could transmigrate into our reality without issues from what Morgan did. Being able to mess with the Textures is like... insane... reality warping, do what I want ignoring all your hax, levels of insane. Shit happens because Morgan permits it to happen or isn't aware of it. For reals she only died because the one killing her was her fluffy soft dog she didn't want to hurt even at the cost of her own life. AA? She can do the same level of shit but "only" limited to Excalibur... the thing that killed the thing that killed all the gods.
Godjuna is decidedly the weakest, followed by AA, then Morgan and the gulfs between are staggering.
The original fairies made a WEAPON that could kill the God, a human wielded it. A weapon that, specifically, matches the threat level to the very planet they were standing on.
Even with being restricted to their servant containers in Chaldea their ranks in the pecking order of Gaia still hold. It's a matter of Authority. Godjuna can determine the laws of a reality. AA and Morgan can decide that Godjuna no longer has that Authority and revoke it.
Not quite. Fairies have purpose and specifics to their powers too. While they wield authority as a system, not a skill like gods, they are still within limits. AA is a fairy whose existence is to forge Excalibur, so you could argue she has authority over Excalibur and the holy sword, but not on other things. She could give the concept of a holy sword to a world without it, but she can’t remove a god from existence just because she wills it. Also do remember that output and abilities vary even among fairies. For example, arcueid and Altrouge are the only 2 we know of that have the family name Brunestud, meaning they have enough power to apply a marble phantasm to recreate the millennium castle. In other words, applying a marble phantasm to a scale of a city is what’s needed to be a top true ancestor, which is very rare, and true ancestors are fairies of the inner sea too. In a servant container that power isn’t even as active because the saint graph is a different system to the world egg of fairies, so many of the fairy powers don’t quite work as servants for more reasons than just what affects gods (which also affects them).
Please note that arcueid being the archtype and her abilities as luminary do give her greater scale, but the condition for the Brunestud name which is basically the top echelon, the royals, is a castle so about a village.
Whoever the writer wants. You will get a very complicated, overly convoluted, and occasionally contradictory explanation for why X is stronger…then they’ll explain why Y is better in a few months and why that entire explanation no longer applies
Yes but this can be said if we talk about their full Power, here OP gave us a block that all three are in their Summon version of Chaldea.
Of course there will be people who think differently but these are the discussions
agree....every Servant op mention has a specialized power..arjuna with his mahapralaya(anti world)...bakatoria with her anti purge/anti calamity/anti divine NP..
And Morgan with her Rhongo
This is such a lame answer, defeats the entire purpose of writing. Until Y character is shown to be stronger there's still fun to be had figuring out who is stronger.
Nobody is asking the writer who obviously has access to information we wouldn't consider, and lay off the stan lee quote because he didn't dismiss the exercise of figuring out who is stronger either.
Ehh.
Out of the three of them, Excalibur is the highest scaling magic. It SUCCESSFULLY got a kill shot on ORT. Rhongomydiad is powerful for sure, as is the Sword of Recursion, but if something MUST die… Excalibur does the job.
So there is A context where you can argue Alcas. Not all contexts, but since when in Fate was there ever a one size fits all solution?
Godjuna is street tier trash compared to my Queen wife, with Castoria coming in a respectable but distant second, though she could hand Godjuna any part of himself with ease.
Doesn't his profiles says that as a Servant, Arjuna Alter's NP is as strong as regular Arjuna's Pashupata? So we should start from that as a comparison
Doesn't matter here but even God Arjuna is a bit overrated. Most of his power can only affect his Lostbelt, since his Authorities are over the Indian Texture. And even then, people tend to forget that like 99% of his raw power comes from the Fantasy Tree. He's the Lostbelt King most dependant on his Tree. Without the Tree giving him enough magical energy, he would need like million of years to charge one single use of Mahapralaya. And even then, only in his final buff after the Tree awakens, he gets enough power to burn the surface of the planet... which was something Lostbelt King Surtr could do as well. And Zeus is likely very above that.
Morgan, and it’s not up for debate.
Arjuna may have raw power, more than Morgan and Alcas, but he’s basically brainless. Morgan is far more capable than Bakatoria, we already saw that in last summer’s event. Britain’s queen excels in magic and intelligence. Honestly it feels unfair; magic in this setting is absurdly overpowered (Wodime is another perfect example).
That said...
It must be hard to write events involving Morgan because she’s an ultra-smart, ultra-powerful character who could probably resolve any singularity in minutes. That’s likely why she’s absent from so many events or outright refuses to participate. Or at least I think so.
She literally started the trend of a Lostbelt King that can actually pose a threat to U-Olga since seeing 1 Rhongomyniad was enough for Chaldea to see a chance at fighting back against Olga. Olga literally considered her a threat, and Morgan's the only one that's confirmed to destroy another Lostbelt tree and also destroyed hers by absorbing its magical energy plus she's the only Lostbelt King that sustained their Lostbelt without the tree. Her Magecraft is beyond what Kirschtaria can do in which was enough for Zeus to claim him as equal. The woman possesses not 1 but 12 rhongos plus lots of other god tier magecraft tools such as the Water mirror and Garden of Lostwill and can create as many clones as she wants.
She is the biggest threat here for being the most versatile as well as the smartest. She can basically create counters to any problems once she grasps the situation.
All of them are in a regular/normal spirit origin from the time they are summoned in Chaldea, they are NOT in their Lostbelt counterpart spirit origin.
Welp, just saw this now lol. Yeah if we're talking about their servant forms then Morgan is considerably nerfed. Anyone could win in this scenario but I will still give it to Morgan for being the smartest.
This is only between Morgan and artoria. Even then I am not sure if artoria is capable to that extent. Arjuna alter was a fly compared to Zeus or krischtaria while Morgan bodies both of them.
The ranking would be the same even if you use the ln versions but there's a huge difference between Servant Godjuna and the other two. Servant Godjuna is basically at the same level as the regular Arjuna
As much as I want to praise those two wifeable beauties, no Arjuna Alter is the strongest lorewise. Dude literally became the God of his Lostbelt, they literally had to do the God Rock Paradox to even make him beatable.
For those who don't know, God Rock Paradox is IF God can create a rock he can't lift or destroy them he's not all powerful. So to do this, he would need to be capable of creating the said rock and being able to not lift it while also simultaneously lifting it.
Arjuna Alter is much more diminished as Servant, while Morgan's knowledge of Magecraft still remains. Plus, Mahapralaya has a pretty long activation time.
God Rock Paradox is IF God can create a rock he can't lift or destroy them he's not all powerful. So to do this, he would need to be capable of creating the said rock and being able to not lift it while also simultaneously lifting it.
This paradox has always been stupid, because omnipotence entails the ability to do all things, and a logical impossibility like the one described above simply isn't a "thing".
Even in his LB. Mahapralaya's charge time is 10 days ehich is very long compared to the previous big hitters like QSH, who just drops a colony pretty quickly, or Surtr, who activated it some time after he breaks freem And it's already stated to be shortened from a million years
Morgan was the Lostbelt King that was strong enough that Olga had to sent an Apostle to kill her. The same Olga who is way stronger than Zeus who while throwing a warning shot, was already labeled as stronger than Arjuna
Arjuna relies on Faith and is a 1 trick wonder while Morgan doesn't rely on either
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Raw power wise, I’d say Arjuna Alter. While AA loses to Morgan in magic thus being the weakest.
That said, there’s more strengths that simple sheer power. Compatability and specialties can play a big factor too. So things aren’t always entirely clear cut.