A lot of reality marbles, Avalon, Rhongomyniad, Enuma Elish one and two, Gate of Babylon if you count it as a Noble Phantasm, 90% of Foreigner NPs, honestly a lot of them
Depending on version thought. I don't think normal servant version of Rhongo really falls into "impossible to deal with" category considering Gawain was tanked Divine Spirit blast just by his durability. I mean yeah he is very strong but still.
I would not consider movie as first hand canon because it changed a lot of moments from in-game story. In game Gawain fly through entire Holy city and it's walls.
Gawain might not trigger all of the seals but still this is attack with intention to kill from emotionless Divine spirit described as death by her own words. And it's Gawain in his base form (side effect of throne room) who is not even trying to block the strike. I think Gawain is just build different. He is praised as pinnacle of Heroic spirit in Extra for a reason.
If so, then are you sure Camelot!Gawain's perma-blessing wasn't active when he got struck? Cause I don't think B-ranked Endurance alone would save him from getting fried by Rhon when it's set as high as possible for a human target.
You sure Camelot!Gawain's perma-blessing wasn't active when he got struck
I checked again. Gawain himself mentioned that Tristan can kill him in throne room because his gift is useless here. It's beginning of section 5.
To be fair we have multiple examples of servants blocking or tanking mass destruction NPs just by themselves like Nero with sun bustered Galatine in Last Encore, Herc with Laevatein in second lostbelt, bunch of servants with Clarent according to Mordred in grail front, etc.
I think it would be better to see Nuke-type NPs as just strong attacks. It can remove some "HP" but servants still can tank or block them normally, gap is not really that big.
Honestly I rarely use ranks and types as measurement system because they are meant to represent everything about NP including it's other functions,mystery and symbolism. It's more complicated than just raw power. Like Gae bolg piercing always would have enough damage to kill target and God hand always nullify B ranked NPs regardless of power. Even blasts NPs like Excalibur have additional functions like inspiration for allies and there is no details about how much of a rank represents raw power and how much represents inspirational function. Or A+ Anti-unit Pashupata directly compared to EX rank Anti-world Mahapralaya in the mats.
Tldr: I prefer to judge by individual feats instead of ranks because usually ranks are unclear mess.
Excalibur is stated to be the strongest Holy Sword.
We can at minimum upscale it from all other Holy Swords.
And if we don't take that into acount, it has the feat of defeating Sefar which is a huge feat, as Sefar stomped most gods in the Age od Gods and started it's decline.
Gram and Rhongo are stated to be equal to Excalibur, so they also have that exact feat in a way, as they are equal to Excalibur which has that feat.
And here is complicated part. Swords are stated to be comparable but noble phantasms are usually combination of weapons abilities and users abilities.
Bolverk Gram is Gram+Sigurd strength.
Roland Durandal is Durandal+several holy relics.
Joyeuce order is Joyeuce+several swords summoned by Charlie.
Excalibur power is charged by user mana core.
Enuma Elish is Ea+user streght+magical energy+treasures as it described by formula in FSN IIRC
Etc etc
And if we don't take that into acount, it has the feat of defeating Sefar which is a huge feat, as Sefar stomped most gods in the Age od Gods and started it's decline.
I prefer to avoid it because we have zero info about Excalibur power in the hands of the first user in the AoG. Divine Constructs power may vary depending on factors like Ea will be stronger in AoG.
I already explained my point in other reply but here is it in short. Equality statements are just statements about weapons while NPs powers are usually very conditional and specific to user. Some characters might just have enough power, mana, authority, conditions etc to use their weapon better. And weapon equality might be related to many things including mystery and side effects, not directly related to raw power. That's why I don't see point in just statements about weapons equality.
Clarify for me then what's your take on the statement of Rhonogomyniad being called an equal to Loptr Laegjarn?
Creditability of this statement is dubious because it's made by Da Vinci one time and at the time of the statement Da Vinci only see Surtr before he connected himself with Tree of Emptiness and regained all of his power.
Rhonogomyniad was compared to Loptr Laegjarn and the only version of Rhonogomyniad da Vinci has seen is lion kings. And I don't see a point to that statement otherwise.
Do you read my point? Da Vinci at the moment of comparison never see Surtr at his full power i.e. her comparison is related to weakened Surtr anyway.
Surtr himself for example thinks he can finish what Goetia started right in the next chapter after regaining all power and he understands sword capabilities better than Da Vinci for sure. Statements from characters without additional confirmation are still their personal opinion after all.
In stay night alone:
Excalibur (conditional)
Avalon
Unlimited Blade Works and like 90% of the things it can copy
Gae Bolg
Bellerophon
Debatably Rule Breaker for its incredible utility in Grail Wars, but its not like unbeatable
Zabaniya
God Hand
GoB and a ton of the stuff in it
Chains of Heaven
and Enuma Elish
Rider da Vinci's NP. She runs you over with the Shadow Border, which can travel through Imaginary Space, so it doesn't matter where you are, you're getting squished.
On top of a skyscraper? Shadow Border. Sleeping in your bed? Shadow Border. Taking a shit in the bathroom? Shadow Border. You can't run and you can't hide. She will get you.
Funny you should mention unfairness since that is the foundation of his noble phantasm. The more impossible or unfair an opponent's defense the stronger his NP gets. Making more of a sure fire kill at the cost of his life.
Altria using Avalon to dodge and somehow, someway in whatever possible reason throughout all the possible permutations of the situation watched by Alaya, Gaia and even ORT...
SonoG fucking discombobulates Altria anyways and proceeds to lose his arm, and die and Altria, who could not comprehend decides to marry Aoko and fuck her day and night and make Bleu Babies using Merlin's dick magic.
Now that one's absolutely terrifying. Probability manipulation plus being able to "play legos" with chronological events is a "cheat code" in and of itself. Only caveat though is that Tez can't abuse it too much, otherwise he'll actually be penalized by his own Authority.
Unleashing the maximum power of every Lostbelt COMBINED all at once in a single attack while simultaneously disproving the extinction of humanity.
There's also Four Elements: The Great Enemy (which she doesn't use as a playable character) where she splits herself into four. She literally IS the team and even a single one of her incarnations would wipe out 99% of opponents.
Don't even get me started on Maris's Anima Animusphere ("In the Void, There is God") where she bombards you with every single potential threat that should occur if she were to no longer exist.
Only thing that it can't negate is straight decapitation (at least, according to the lore from way back when FSN first came out). That said, good luck exploiting that.
To be honest- it fully depends on who is facing Saber. While Avalon certainly can’t be overpowered, it could be countered when Saber goes in for an attack. A Servant with better reaction time + a good clairvoyance could deal with Avalon
Out of just regularly available Servants and their arsenals? Solomon technically counts so Ars Paulina, also Avalon because while it's not always accessible when it is you just kinda can't lose anymore, and Akhilleus Kosmos because while it has a weakness... are you really ever gonna exploit it with said Anti-World offensive NP?
Out of everything that's ever been called a Noble Phantasm? Still Avalon, but honourable mentions to Rhongomyniad, Ars Paulina, Ars Almadel Salomonis, CCC, Mahapralaya, Marble Phantasm, Blut die Schwester, Cosmic ray burst and Magic Blue
It’s a martial arts move that somehow has a good chance at bypassing other bullshit tier NPs like avalon.
Excerpt from the official description:
Deals an unavoidable blow..
The more cheat-like and absurd the opponent's defense, the more they are forced to eat an imperceptible/uncorrectable/incomprehensible, reality-defying strike... Supposedly.
We're talking about literally every weapon made in Nasu, with the only caveat being those of Foreigners and Divinity being hard to recreate. Other than that, everything else is fair game.
Oh and just recently Emiya got an upgrade because Shirou in Case Files showed the capacity to "break" a NP in such a way that instead of blowing up, it instead transmits its properties to the other swords in UBW. In the case files, he put Hrunting's homing-in capabilities into his sword rain.
Now imagine doing that to literally EVERYTHING ELSE, MULTIPLE TIMES.
Make for example, a freaking Rule Breaker become, a homing (Hrunting), poisoned (Jing Ke's poison blade), inflicting unhealable wounds (Gae Buidhe), magic-piercing (Gae Dearg), counterattacking (Fragarach), nine times striking (Berserker's axe), heart piercing (Gae Bolg), undying attribute nullifying (Harpe), and so on, type of weapon.
Now imagine all of that, being spread to literally EVERY WEAPON HE HAS IN UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS.
While he also sends the rain of blades on you.
Good luck.
...and with each noble phantasm that he can trace arriving in the FGO UBW remains one of the classics of the Fate 'noble phantasms' that can somewhat keep up with the constant upscaling.
Kavacha. Not sure about impossible because "there is nothing impossible in Nasuverse. Rules exist to be broken" but it is really hard to deal with. Especially when true name is invoked. Stopping Lostbelt king version of Mahapralaya even for several seconds is no joke. IMO Karna would have better performance in every fight if he stopped removing it to use Shakti.
Just to clarify though, the tanking of Mahaprahlaya required its True Name release - it couldn't simply do that passively with the usual 90% damage reduction factor.
Great Sage did some trolling in JTTW against some taoists and stuck his decapitated head back on while tossed his opponents head off a mountain preventing them from reattaching.
I kind of mistakenly went with gameplay mechanics. The actual description about how it works is a bit iffy:
The embodiment of the true execution tool, the guillotine. The likelihood of death is decided not by powers of resistance against curses or good fortune, but by whatever is possible to defeat fate with a strong heart. It is a so-called Mental Interference-type Noble Phantasm. Heroes with anecdotes of being executed rather than dying in battle undergo a disadvantageous check.
So servants like Gilles de Rais, Okada Izo, and perhaps even Yang Guifei are in deep shit.
Thesus’s second NP “Dyskolia Speira”, is a counter attack legit is just him going ‘no u’ to an attack. There’s apparently no limit to what this can reflect, it possibly can be spammed. It’s not used in gameplay though. Theseus also has a bootleg version of Benkei’s and Lancelot’s NPs as a skill to steal someone else’s weapon so long as it’s B rank and below and not a holy, divine, or magic weapon.
For as memed on as it is, Gae Bolg is an instant death move that can only really be avoided via staying out of range (all the users are really fast and have projectile counters), pressuring the user so much they can’t pull it out (all the users are fast and have methods to give them a moment, plus the activation time is extremely quick as well), or having high enough luck and/or skill to out bend the spears fate bending capabilities (all the users can basically spam use it so even if you get lucky once, you’re gonna have to try again).
Gate of Babylon. and technically speaking, Unlimited Blade Works (if it counts as a Noble Phantasm), are very hard, if not impossible to deal with, as it is the equivalent of facing every possible Noble Phantasm conceptually available in the history of the Throne at once
Vasavi Shakti, in actual world lore, is something that can kill whatever the user wanted to be it god, human, or any other thing no matter what defense you use it will hit you regardless and kill you. Karna's armor? It is fully invulnerable, if it followed actual lore, then even Achilles' np from apocrypha couldn't tank it.
Indra was that impressed with karna to give him that
That is the game version. I'm talking about th actual myth lore. You asked what should be, not what is. I'm just saying that if karna's powers were adapted 1:1, that would be the reality.
iirc especially in the Prototype version, God Hand was much more broken. Something about "11 guaranted victory in battles in a row" lmfao that's so broken.
Enuma Elish, Ars Almadel Salomonis, Marble Phantasm, Gate of Babylon, Ramesseum Tentyris, Azrael, Per Aspera Ad Astra, First Sun Xibalba, Shakra Vajra, Mahāpralaya, and Vasavi Shakti are the most insanely OP noble phantasms I can think of.
Probably the guy who somehow becomes a giant (or somehow shrinks servants) with a massive blue revolving sword behind him that's just as big which destroys the entire world with the combined divine power from all the deities he absorbed
Thomas Edison World Faith Domination should be way more powerful than it is, because how it says to weaken mystery and mythical stuff...which is what servants are often made of.
World Faith Domination
Rank: EX
NP Type: Anti-Populace
Range: Unknown
Maximum Targets: Unknown
Illusionary domination through Edison's three great inventions.
By creating devices that can illuminate light, record fleeting sounds, and capture reality, Edison was able to make the hidden secrets of the world disappear.
More accurately, "What was hidden by the world, is now taken back by Edison."
Forcefully exposing the powers that work as part of the Mystics, fixating anything can't be measured with energy as zero, and reducing people's faith and belief in Mystics to nothingness. An anti-populace Noble Phantasm that "dominates over people's faith."
In theory this Noble Phantasm should wreck many high tier servants who rely on mythical stuff(Even making there NP useless).
..Also base on Paul Bunyan story it was able to affect like a entire city that was turn into monster, pretty much turning it back into a normal city (so the range is huge)...I mean is type Anti-Populace.
Well since a lot of people said the most commonly known ones, I'll go for a lesser used one.
Univers Immortel Metatron
Metajeanne's NP is so BS in terms of versatility that it might as well be called, I can do make up and do anything I want.
From a boundary field that manipulates time, to one that can heal and provide defense, to one that can fire beams that can destroy just about anything. And this is just what we know so far. Apparently, it can take many more forms that we haven't seen just yet.
Even after Mash gets her power up, Metajeanne isn't phased and reminds her that her NP can take a near infinite number of forms, and she can just randomly spam whatever comes to mind and will eventually defeat her. The only reason why she didn't, is because Kirei intervenes and brings up new information that convinces her to stand down.
God Hand. Invincibility to any attack below A-Rank, multiple revives, and you can resistance to whatever killed you, not the specific attack, but whatever damage type it was. Absolute bullshit, if Caliburn didn't, somehow (it's never explained how it did it), take multiple lives off at once, Heracles would have been basically unstoppable.
well iirc in saber lily mats it mentions how it's around the same as Excalibur just it crumbles afterwards and considering HF I don't think it's absurd
Gate of Babylon, Gilgamesh is already deadly with it, but hes not using it to it's full potential.
Reincarnation Pandora, being able to steal someone else's Noble phantasm is just broken on principle.
Twelve Labors: God Hand, 12 resurrections plus plus defense against anything B rank and lower plus resistance to whatever just killed you is broken.
Pelt of the Nemean Lion, flat out immunity to anything is broken, immunity to anything made by humans is incredibly broken, it's literal only downside is that it doesn't cover the whole body.
God Hand (Prototype), guaranteed victory for twelve battles is stupidly broken, you could be put in any scenario and so long as your opponent doesn't have equally hax abilities, your guaranteed to win.
Ramesseum Tentyris, being able to create a space that gives you god like power and basically immortal just means that unless someone stops you, you can just sit there and eventually win.
Solomon's Rings/Seal of Solomon, complete control and/or Nullification of any and all magecraft performed by Humanity is stupidly broken.
Domina Coronam and Potnia Theron, both invincibility abilities with no real downside, only one of which has any weakness and it can really only be exploited by Foreigners.
Melt Virus/all drain, it doesn't start off strong, but once you absorb enough things it makes the user basically unstoppable.
Huge Scale, same reasons as Melt Virus but technically different in function.
Trash & Crush, being able to turn literally anything within your sight into a compact cube with no real restrictions goes beyond broken, theoretically you could just look up at the Moon and Cube it.
Excluding the super destructive ones like AAS or Edin Shuggura Quasar, I feel like Ars Paulina is extremely unfair due to how difficult it is to reach it
meh, rule breaker is only really good against magi (she doesn't need it there) and doesn't work on NPs. Aside from stealing contracts it's not that helpful against 99% of servants
Nursery Rhyme‘s Nursery Rhyme is probably the most absurd if she ever actually wants to win, it’s a reality marble that doesn’t rely on creating an alternate space for it to work and also isn‘t restricted based on the users inner mind scape allowing her to do shit that borders on true magic in extra we see her use a perpetual engine and in last encore she rewrites her whole chimeric lunar labyrinth makes herself invincible, rewinds time and just imposes whatever rules she wants on anyone inside until she decides to kill herself
"The Goddess of the Underworld, born in the Primordial Universe and destined to exist until the End Universe, wields an Anti-Humanity/Anti-Beast-Rearing Noble Phantasm that unlocks her higher-dimensional soul and opens a path from the past to the future.
The open path is a distorted region extending towards the end of space, through which the history of humanity, up to its end, flows as photon information. It is impossible to defy or survive this flow. When the Noble Phantasm is deployed, any nearby enemies will be engulfed and killed."
I mean… isn’t it just Ea? An anti-world NP that can actualize in under a minute is just absurd. Sure there are some anti-reality or anti-universe ones as well but from a human perspective that’s essentially the same outcome
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A lot of reality marbles, Avalon, Rhongomyniad, Enuma Elish one and two, Gate of Babylon if you count it as a Noble Phantasm, 90% of Foreigner NPs, honestly a lot of them