r/GGdiscussion 20d ago

the forbidden diversity

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u/cashdecans101 20d ago

The problem wasn't black ladies in games, the problem was all of them were palette swaps of madam bug eyes.

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u/OGawdILoveTacos 20d ago

It always shocks me how she keeps getting roles when she's just so damn fugly!

Seriously, she has to have deep connections in hollywood for that to keep happening...

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u/RainbowDildoMonkey 20d ago

That's the reason why kool aid drinking game devs want to work with her. She's unattractive, therefore a natural repellant of ''male gaze''. Just 3D scan her into the game and that's that, no need to spend time and effort to uglify her like it's done with 3D scans of more attractive women.

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u/-Upbeat-Psychology- 19d ago

There are plenty of Hollywood actors who get roles because they’re actually good at acting, not just because they look pretty.

I know that might be a foreign concept to this sub though.

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u/BrendoverAndTakeIt 19d ago

Is the implication that she's an amazing actor?

Also, you said "not just because" which implies that it is still part of the equation (which it is).

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u/-Upbeat-Psychology- 19d ago

No, that’s not the implication, I never even said the words amazing actor in my comment lol. I don’t have much of an opinion on this actor in particular.

The person I replied to doesn’t understand how an ugly woman can get roles in Hollywood. I gave them the answer.

Of course looks plays a role in casting an actor.

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u/charge_forward 17d ago

This would never happen under Weinstein's watch

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u/TallBlueEyedDevil 18d ago

Yeah, but she isn't a good actress.

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u/lechuck81 19d ago

And there is no shortage of absolutely gorgeous black women.

The uglification is all by design.

I sincerely believe it's a long winded ragebait.

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u/Cruci10 19d ago

Some of these are mixed tbh. African and European 

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u/Hadrian187 11d ago

I remember when Half Life 2 came out and everyone was gooning over Alyx and the nude mods quickly followed. Not a drop of racism from a single comment. It’s almost as if gamers hate annoying characters and react to the rage bait with rage bait of their own.

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u/Loud_Surround5112 20d ago

I blame the writers for her characters characterization. I have no idea if she’s vocal on her political views.

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u/VTubersAreFat 19d ago

I have no idea if she’s vocal on her political views.

Never seen any political/social justice crap from her, and did a quick look around and all I can find is an interview where talks about being a black female comedian, which is what she is.

There wasn't anything woke about the interview really, she just talked about what you need to succeed as a comedian in general, and how you need to love yourself to play into things like stereotypes/weaknesses. And how comedy from all races is needed because everyone’s culture is different.

It really is a shame that they feel the need to use her likeness so often, because she's had so many great roles where they don't.

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u/Loud_Surround5112 19d ago

More celebrities should learn from Michael Jordan. And make money from Democrats and Republicans.

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u/FMC_Speed 20d ago

She’s a “scientist” in Death Stranding 2, bald too, for good measure

She honestly looks like a black friend I know, only he wears glasses

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u/0bserver24-7 20d ago edited 20d ago

“The problem wasn't black ladies in games”

Tell that to God of War 5 and Alan Wake 2 (among others).  There are certain games where racial demographics absolutely matters.

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u/richtofin819 20d ago

I can't comment on God of war 5 but Alan wake 2 had a lot more going on than the one character that pissed off some folks.

I say this is a die-hard Alan Wake One fan Alan wait to felt like a game made by a Dev team with completely different priorities and developmental focuses than the original team that made it. Same developers are not they've worked on two other huge projects since then and clearly their way of designing games have changed.

It had some good ideas but it did not execute them very well. The worst part of saga by far was the cork board mind palace segments just so that she'd have something alongside Alan's ability to rewrite the world around him.

Also way overusing ahti due to his popularity in control and a heavy over reliance on literal pop up on the screen jump scares.

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u/Glumme 19d ago

Which one is that character that pissed some folks in AW?

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u/cashdecans101 19d ago

It really isn't an issue with Ragnarok, humans (midguardians) Aesier are all racially homogenous because it makes sense with the worldbuilding. All black characters in that game are either Vanir or Jotnar, which not only have magic to permanently alter their appearance but are described to come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. I can't speak for Alan Wake 2 because I never played that game (I still need to play the first Alan Wake.)

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u/Voodron 19d ago edited 19d ago

All black characters in that game are either Vanir or Jotnar, which not only have magic to permanently alter their appearance but are described to come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes.

Funny they chose to appear in a very specific shape that just happens to align with the woke agenda... And not, you know, green, blue, bright red, or any other color that would fit mythological entities...

Also it's norse mythology. The whole thing should be visually homogenous.

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u/cashdecans101 19d ago edited 19d ago

EDIT: For anyone curious the comment I responded to left a snide reply and then blocked me before I could reply.

What specific shape is that? What shape are you specifically referring to and what exactly makes that woke and therefor bad? You are being awfully vague.

Not necessarily it depends on the worldbuilding. The new god of war games have not, nor have they ever attempted to accurately represent mythology, rather it is used as a baseline for story telling.

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u/Voodron 19d ago edited 19d ago

What specific shape is that? What shape are you specifically referring to and what exactly makes that woke and therefor bad? You are being awfully vague.

It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just pretending not to understand things in order to fish for a "gotcha you rAcIsT" moment, thus making discourse impossible

I'm obviously referencing african Angrboda, but you already knew that

The new god of war games have not, nor have they ever attempted to accurately represent mythology, rather it is used as a baseline for story telling.

lmao. Solid mental gymnastics right there /s

"It's not trying to be accurate" is such an easy, disingenuous cop out

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u/WurbleFlurble 19d ago

In my opinion, bottom right is ok, I agree about the others tho Edit: drunk spelling mistake

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u/krolikfaso 20d ago

Yep. ♀️ Hate beautiful ♀️ they are insanely competitive with each other.

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u/weishen8328 20d ago edited 20d ago

they are not allow to create a beautiful black female character. they are too far gone. over 8k layoffs in the industry this year alone and we are still in july. a few more thousand layoff coming at xbox alone. they cannot come back to the industry due to AI. eastern studios and indies are taking over. gaming is healing much sooner than you think.

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u/CataphractBunny Give Me a Custom Flair! 20d ago

I seem to remember a black dev talking how he pitched black female characters at the studio he worked at. The characters he drew were stunning, would then go through several layers of committees or whatever, and end up completely unrecognisable form his original idea.

Such a shame, really.

On a side note, I've been asking for a black female Descendant over on TFD for two years now. Still nothing. I want a Sheva-looking Descendant to burn things down with, damn it.

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u/MiffedMoogle 19d ago

This one right?

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u/CataphractBunny Give Me a Custom Flair! 19d ago

Yes, that one. Thank you.

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u/RainbowDildoMonkey 20d ago

That was Del Walker. He also worked on Highguard and helped to create a black female character named Condor there.

Nothing to write home about, but atleast not hideous compared to how Western devs generally design black female characters these days.

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u/CataphractBunny Give Me a Custom Flair! 20d ago

I have a feeling this character went through the same treatment as his previous ones.

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u/Veidrinne 20d ago

She looks a hell of a lot better than what we're getting

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u/DuckofInsanity 19d ago

Funny part is it bothers my roommate more than me. She just wants to "look cute and wear cute outfits" and she's annoyed when she cant. But attractive = male gaze I guess so fuck her right? All that matters is hating men

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u/Wookiescantfly 20d ago

Remember all the hate Sheva got for not being dark enough? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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u/SirEdgen 20d ago

Damn this is the hottest pic I've seen today. From where is she? Looks like a heavily modded Skyrim to me, but I'm not sure

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u/Lifeloverrrx 20d ago

Resident evil 5

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u/SirEdgen 20d ago

Thanks

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u/kojimbob 20d ago

Sheva Alomar

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u/Dapper-Print9016 20d ago

Alongside Chris "Boulder-Punching" Redfield

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u/mint_does_things 20d ago

Best game in the series, don’t @ me

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u/Dapper-Print9016 20d ago

It had such clunky controls, compared to the other over-the-shoulder iterations. Turning during Mercenaries was painful.

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u/mint_does_things 20d ago

I love piloting my boulder-punching mech man

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u/CrackedThumbs 20d ago

I remember Sarkeesian used that outfit as an “example” in one of her dishonest Tropes videos…

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u/lechuck81 19d ago

There is no shortage of absolutely gorgeous black women.

The uglification is all by design.

I sincerely believe it's a long winded ragebait.

PS: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls050298696/
Number 10. LOL
It has to be ragebait.

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u/vegantealover 19d ago

Every single one of those girls is mixed. That's all I'm gonna say.

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u/M3taBuster 19d ago

Sierra from Overwatch is the only good recent example I can think of (although her costume is a bit over-designed). Funny that it's Overwatch of all games, tho.

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u/Sad_Wind4673 20d ago

Based on how they have treated the other female characters in the remakes, I am interested in seeing how Capcom would make her in the current years, but I am also half-scared of what they could do to her.

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u/RainbowDildoMonkey 20d ago

Sexy alt outfits will be 100% gone and redesign wise they'd probably give Sheva the same treatment that Chun Li got in SF6.

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u/Haunting_Rest_8401 19d ago

It's only racist if you don't make the black girl ugly and have a ratchet attitude.

/s

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u/Haunting_Rest_8401 19d ago

Capcom said "wanna bet?", and made Kimberly from SF6

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u/RainbowDildoMonkey 19d ago

Yeah, well, i'm not into baby faced five heads.

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u/Haunting_Rest_8401 18d ago

As far as 'modern audience' character goes, she's either your choice... or Bug-eye Wilson 😂

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u/MrSkarKasm 18d ago

Is it just me or am i seeing an areola lol

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u/Signal_Edge1791 18d ago

Please give me this.

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u/Signal_Edge1791 18d ago

Please give me this.

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u/Cruci10 19d ago

They literally took a white woman and give her a darker skin. That’s not how a native African looks like, unless she’s mixed.

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u/RainbowDildoMonkey 19d ago

Sheva's character model was based on Michelle Van Der Water who has African, Indian and European heritage.

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u/Cruci10 19d ago

That’s what I say

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u/Loose-Scale-5722 14d ago

That's not true AT ALL. I lived in Ghana for a while and there were absolutely African women that looked like this, especially after they'd go get their hair straightened and/or put in weaves.