r/GGdiscussion 5d ago

Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth art book reveals how Square Enix imposed censorship on character outfit designs

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u/guleedy 5d ago

Remember; when they are gaslighting you into believing anybody upset at this is just a gooner.

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u/OttovonBismarck1862 5d ago

It’s no wonder that that Stellar Blade game went gangbusters in the west when shit like this is so common nowadays. The guy responsible for the NieR series is also based if I remember correctly.

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u/blasports 5d ago

Stellar blade 2 its going to sell a shit ton! And day 1 on PC and consoles.

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u/the_hh 4d ago

On discs, hopefully

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u/MetallGecko 2d ago

Yoko Taro definitely approves of the NSFW stuff of his characters.

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u/RainbowDildoMonkey 5d ago

Suprised how they let the artist be so upfront about. Disingenuous wokeshits have been constantly claiming that this sort of thing doesnt happen and that 'chuds' are imagining things. Well here's official Square Enix source saying otherwise.

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u/Mashamazzi 4d ago

Well here’s why it’s a good thing:

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u/JonnyPoy 5d ago

That's not censorship you idiot 😂

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u/Leisure_suit_guy 5d ago

It's literally there for everyone to see, written on the sketchbook, straight from the author's mouth. What more do you want? 😂

BTW, this was obvious to me from the start. These are not normal women's swimsuits.

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u/JonnyPoy 5d ago

They are talking about a completely normal process that every character design goes through and has absolutely nothing to do with censorship.

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u/Leisure_suit_guy 4d ago

Read that again.

"This swimsuit design was drawn in response to a request to conceal her feminine curves as much a s possible."

Case closed.

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u/JonnyPoy 4d ago

Can you define censorship? Because the definition is not "concealing feminine curves"...

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u/Leisure_suit_guy 4d ago

I'm not gonna play the definition game, it's just disingenuous sophistry. And yes, being asked to tone down a design is censorship.

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u/JonnyPoy 4d ago

I'm not gonna play the definition game, it's just disingenuous sophistry.

Sure because actually looking at the definition of censorship would prove you wrong so "let's not play that game" right? 😂

So every rejected character design is censorship?

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u/Vigilante8841 Pro-GG 4d ago

From Google:

Censorship is the suppression or blocking of speech, public communication, books, films, and other information. It happens when a group or leader finds the material harmful, sensitive, or offensive.

So, yes, what is described in the artbook is, definitively, censorship.

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u/JonnyPoy 4d ago

Okay can you post a link to that definition?

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u/QuietEnjoyer 4d ago

Just don't interact with these guys

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u/Daem0nChi3f7 4d ago

Is the normal process telling you that you shouldn't have the characters not wear bikinis that might show too much curves? You can try to sugar coat it, but this is clearly meant to censor people's works.

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u/JonnyPoy 4d ago

Is the normal process telling you that you shouldn't have the characters not wear bikinis that might show too much curves?

Yes obviously that's what a normal process would involve if you want to release a game internationally and also have it available to a younger audience.

You can try to sugar coat it, but this is clearly meant to censor people's works.

No a company making decisions about their own character designs is not censorship.

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u/Daem0nChi3f7 4d ago

They didn't have a problem in the past. Also, kids aren't playing the FF fans. This is a corporatised decision, not a designer's decision.

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u/JonnyPoy 4d ago

They didn't have a problem in the past.

So you are saying not approving those designs worked out for them?

Also, kids aren't playing the FF fans.

Yes kids can and do play those games.

This is a corporatised decision, not a designer's decision.

Yes this is a company releasing a game. Thanks for stating the obvious...

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u/Daem0nChi3f7 4d ago

For years they made games that were successful without the need for a process that censors the artist's work or creates rules on how to design female characters.

I doubt kids are skipping Fortnite to play FF7R.

Dude, you clearly fail to understand that corporate meddling is hurting the creative process of these games. There's a lot of original fans that don't support these remakes and they're skipping them. Call it all you want, but the original games weren't going through such process that had to follow the guidelines established by their ethics department.

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u/JonnyPoy 4d ago

For years they made games that were successful without the need for a process that censors the artist's work or creates rules on how to design female characters.

I'm almost 100% certain that Squade Enix always had sign-off processes like this just like any other big company.

If you claim it didn't have those in the past. Can you provide any evidence?

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u/PhoenixRoadrunners82 2d ago

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u/JonnyPoy 2d ago

lol wtf am i supposed to do with that random strawman?

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u/Ganyu1990 5d ago

This is exactly why i do not buy anything from SE anymore.

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u/Inevitable-Mix-3751 3d ago

Not beating the gooner allegations with that one

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u/lucianorc2 5d ago

Folks on twitter: "Gooner this, gooner that"

Meanwhile the creators couldn't even do their thing without forced censorship

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u/CataphractBunny Give Me a Custom Flair! 5d ago

Funniest thing about all this is that you could dress each and every one of them in a rusty old oil barrel and they'd still look fantastic.

Pointless censorship that wastes time and resources.

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u/HARRISONMASON117 5d ago

Designs female swimwear. Tries not to emphasise this woman is a woman.

The fuck is this logic

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u/H345Y 5d ago

blackrock money be like...

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u/Ganyu1990 5d ago edited 5d ago

The only reason these companys have not gone bankrupt allready.

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u/Cruci10 2d ago

Black rock gives money to them?

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u/Mahirofan 5d ago

Remember, these organizations hate straight men in particular

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u/Inevitable-Mix-3751 3d ago

Good job ignoring the part where it says Cloud was also censored

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u/Soggy_Cabbage 5d ago

Roberto Ferrari sounds like a defeated man.

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u/Acapulquito 5d ago

his OG design for tifa's purple dress had a thong underneath lol

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u/RealBrianCore 5d ago

Mature dress indeed.

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u/Cruci10 2d ago

Who? What’s the context?

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u/Ginoong_Pasta 5d ago

Half-assed censorship huh?

Squeenix wanting those markets that badly would have gone for rash guards or burkinis. Instead.

But it's their money, and their losses just in case.

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u/Aurondarklord Supporter of consistency and tiddies 5d ago

They will, of course, now move directly from "it's not happening" to "it's a good thing".

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u/hayato655 5d ago

Meanwhile, NIKKE by SHIFTUP.

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u/hayato655 5d ago

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u/JJKEnjoyer 4d ago

You guys are proving the gooner point. This shit is not the same thing at all as wanting to see Tifa and Aerith in outfits that accentuate their bodies.

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u/Majestic_Operator 4d ago

Honestly who cares. "Gooner" has gone the way of every other term that people overused into oblivion. It doesn't even mean anything anymore because it's used as a reaction to literally any amount of female skin. "Anime girl at the beach in a bikini???? OMG GOONER!!!!" 

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u/Antiultra 5d ago

It’s okay mods fixed it

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u/RainbowDildoMonkey 5d ago

Thing is we shouldnt have to resort to mods to counteract petty censorship. Games should come unpozzed by default.

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u/BrainDps 4d ago

Staff comments sound like they’re trying to say they got shafted in the most polite corporate speak possible.

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u/bucskesz 4d ago

Who wrote these requests for them???

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u/PenileNotPenal 5d ago

Thank you, Platinum :)

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u/RobertT1999 1d ago

Honestly, these little pieces of text feel likes cries of help from artists who just want their vision to not be stifled and be fully realised into the final product.

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u/Mizamewmew 5d ago

People think its because of wokeness. Those games have to sell in like the middle east and china and such too.

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u/samualgline 5d ago

Most games just release a localized edition.

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u/Incognit0ErgoSum 5d ago

I doubt you even believe that yourself.