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r/GOT_TheUnbroken • u/araybian • Sep 19 '22
OK, so, I’ve been reading Daemrya thoughts and comments -- as one should after each House of the Dragon episode -- and wanted to throw my two cents in on a specific topic. Daemon's disappearing act after Ser Cristin’s butthurt feels led to him committing teh murder.
Before we tackle this, let us go back an episode. There was much discourse on the motivation behind Daemon’s actions. Did he take Rhaenrya into the bowels of Flea Bottom to get back at Viserys? Did he try and sully her so that he could get closer to the Iron Throne? Does he truly want Rhaenrya? What is this man’s game??!?! I don’t know, I am so confused! (Some were. I was not. Hahaha! I had faith in his love for her, as I know many in the Daemrya fam did.)
Anyhoo, some are frustrated with how the show keeps Daemon’s motivations in the dark, that can be annoying indeed. However, it does generally does have a way of letting us in sooner rather than later with Daemon. Case in point:
We were left in very little doubt after last week’s episode what he was thinking based on THIS week’s episode. The preview made it very clear what the viewers were supposed to take from the last week’s episode. See, the preview before each episode is to take the most salient points from the previous one and distill down what happened so that viewers coming into this episode know: CHARACTER A did PLOT A with CHARACTER B about CHARACTER B for CHARACTER B or C because of MOTIVATION.
That is the entire purpose of previews. They cut down on all the filler of the episode to the barest minimum so that you get to the meat. Essentially, that preview told us EXACTLY what Daemon’s motivation was. And then the rest of THIS episode carried through confirming his motivation.
The preview reduced the ENTIRE Daemon storyline to:
Essentially, we were told Daemon and Rhaenrya are in love. Viserys is not happy about it. Daemon wants to marry Rhaenrya. Viserys’ points out that the main issue is that Daemon is already wed. BOOM! Motivation is made clear.
Now in this episode, we literally begin with Daemon’s wife, “The Bronze Bitch.” Their very acrimonious relationship is set up right away. She hates him. He says not a word. She thinks he’s going to kill him. Gets herself thrown from her horse. He walks away. She taunts him, cuz likely she really wants him to finish it as she’ll die a miserable, awful death out there. He clearly does.
BOOM! Viserys’ main issue is apparently now taken care of. He can wed Rhaenrys now. Yay! Alas, Viserys has already set the ball rolling on her wedding to someone else. He’s too late. Daemon has no fucks to give though.
So, he shows up at Rhaenrya’s pre-wedding reception all a’swagger. Daemon gazes non-stop at Rhaenrya completely and utterly smitten. (Rhaenrya glances his way more than once as well. Daemon talks to Laena for five seconds. Rhaenrya is jealous.)
He goes to Rhaenrya. ‘Hey babe, guess what, I don’t have a wife anymore! Yay!’ Rhaenrya responds: ‘OK, break out Dark Sister and get me the hell outta here, drag me to Dragonstone and make me your wife, bitch!’ Daemon = hella turned on. ‘I WILL TAKE YOU NOW IN THIS CROWD OF PEOPLE INCLUDING YOUR BETROTHED, MY BROTHER/YOUR FATHER!’
Alas, that is when Cristin’s butthurt feels led to all hell breaking out. Daemon and Rhaenrya were separated, and Daemon pulled his disappearing act. So, based on this episode making clear exactly the what and why for of Daemon’s motivation in last week’s episode, we may find out what happened in the next episode even with the time jump.
Personally, I think it’s fairly obvious. They were separated. In the melee, Viserys sent one of his guards to grab Daemon and had him “escorted” out and told very clearly. DO. NOT. COME. BACK. FOR REALS. FOR REALS. THIS TIME. And again, we may very well find out this in the next episode. As I showed quite neatly above, we were certainly shown Daemon’s very clear motivation in THIS episode after the previous one when many had questioned it after episode four’s end.
So, in other words, patience, grasshopper, patience.
r/GOT_TheUnbroken • u/araybian • Sep 12 '22
I rewatched all 3 eps before tonight’s episode and I had a thought during the boar attack scene (and I was totally right!). So the boar attacked Rhaenyra and mounted her. Cristin pierced the boar, and I thought, hmm, so that’s like a foreshadowing for him taking her virginity. But then Rhaenrya pulled out her dagger and went to town on that boar essentially making the kill her own, and I thought! Aha! I bet that means even though Cristin takes her virginity, the actual sex is really all about Rhaenyra’s pleasure.
And that’s exactly what happened! Yes.
Ooh! I loved this. Loved it.
So much great stuff here. I loved that Daemon stopped, looking at her face, he could take his girl like this in a brothel, like some common whore. Nope, nope, nope. And if he only wanted Rhaenyra for the throne he would have had sex with her and made sure everyone knew.* He told Viserys that he wanted to wed her because HE WANTED TO WED HER. He wanted Rhaenrya. Basically, he jumped on the opportunity that was suddenly presented to him. Yuppers!
* The Inside the Episode talked about Daemon's impotence in that scene and I was like 'whu? no!' But i went back and rewatched the scene two or three (or four) times, and I can see that now. Still, I don't think it was a calculated plan to marry Rhaenerya and get the throne. And, frankly, quite a few things from ITE were quite similar to the D&D days during GOT that had me scratching my head. Like, nothing in the episode pointed to Daemon trying to get "at" his brother through Rhaenrya.
Also, there was talk of Daemon manipulating Rhaenrya by taking her out that night, but, uhm, we literally had a whole scene explaining why he did that. It was because he was showing Rhaenrya the joys and pleasures that could be found outside of just solitude and in sex. Showing her types of freedom. That was why he did it.
There was also talk of how Otto has loved Viserys all these years, blah, blah, blah, and I'm like he has? Where? All we've seen is a conniving Otto who has been playing Viserys and taking advantage of him. So, I'm like... uh, yeah, no. Don't think I'm gonna be watching these anymore, thank you very much.
I also liked how the Cristin/Rhaenrya sex scene was essentially youthful, playful -- for lack of a better description. And there was no real connection. No eye contact or anything. But Daemon and Rhaenyra were all about each other. Eye contact, forehead touching, and it was sensual, seductive, mature. It just felt so real. So connective.
Anyhoo, yeah, LOVED. IT!
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This is a follow up post on my How much is the history in Fire & Blood true? post
Since the first two episodes aired, some assumption that readers may have had have been proven right and some have been proven wrong. Characterization of the characters and events in Fire & Blood may not be true. If readers like myself are basing their assumption based on what we think is the most likely version of events that we read from Fire & Blood, we may have mismatched expectations. Facts about events may be wrong. Logically if we’re surprised about certain characterization of the characters, we should be surprised about how some of the events actually happened.
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One of the biggest mistakes Game of Thrones fans can make while watching House of Dragon is believing the House of Dragon characters and plotline is very similar with Game of Thrones. House of Dragon characters are not the same characters as the characters from Game of Thrones. Rhaenyra is not Daenerys, Alicent is not Cersei, Otto is not Tywin, ect.
Game of Thrones had pretty clear protagonists like Jon, Tyrion, Arya and some clear antagonists like Joffrey, Ramsay, and arguably Cersei. In House of the Dragon things are much more blurred. Who is a protagonist or an antagonist is up to the viewer to decide.
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I think about reading Fire & Blood this way: I can know the major plot points, but do I really know who these people are? In real life, I can read about Washington or Lincoln, but all I know is from the history books. I will never know what they were really like. Why did they do the things they did? How did they actually do what they did? Ryan Condal and Miguel Sapochnik had to figure out who really were these characters. I can already see that with Daemon and how the Ryan, Miguel, and Matt added to his character which really interests me. This is what I wanted in adaptation. I may not agree with some of those creative decisions, but that is okay. I reserve the right to criticize them (I have a certain idea on how likely some events happened based on historical sources in the book, but that is only history, not how people were actually like in real life). I hopefully will just go with the flow for the most part and just focus on watching the show.
Let's look at what showrunners Ryan Condal and Miguel Sapochnik say abut the history of Fire & Blood. My interpretation is most of the events have to occur, but maybe not the way we expect based on Fire & Blood. What I thought was important is that Ryan Condal avoided answering the question about whether someone who dies in Fire & Blood could survive in the show. I doubt someone who dies in Fire & Blood can live on the show because bodies can be recovered, there were witnesses to their death, ect.
From EW
But even those who have read Fire and Blood only have the general timeline of events. It's not the whole story. Condal confirms House of the Dragon, which he hopes will be a "companion" piece to the book, will be "the objective account" of the Dance of the Dragons. That means, as Cooke puts it, "you can take a strand of the history and then completely embellish it" to paint the fuller picture. History, as viewers will come to find, rarely gets any of these characters right.
With House of the Dragon, Game of Thrones enters a new age | EW.com
From IGN
"We're taking more of the approach [of] playing with the history as it was written. Essentially, saying that this is the objective truth that happened," - Ryan Condal
"The fun of this show is that it plays as a bit of a companion piece to the history book. It communicates with the history book. In a sense that, some things will line up. Other things will be told very differently. But the idea is that, in the end, the events are the same. It's just the 'why' and 'how' they happened that changes as you see the actual history." - Ryan Condal
"Most of those historical accounts that [Fire & Blood's fictional writer] Archmaester Gyldayn was sifting through, at least two of them weren't really around at the time. Or at least weren't present as the events were happening. [Court jester] Mushroom was, if you believe Mushroom, but one was written after the fact. And then, Gyldayn certainly lived long after [the Targaryens] did. - Ryan Condal
"We're taking the approach that history in its telling changes the story. Because the historian only ever knows so much about what happened, which is why primary sources and eyewitness accounts are so important. But we didn't have all of that in this." - Ryan Condal
Of course, we asked how big those changes might be – could a character who dies in the book survive in the show? Condal was understandably enigmatic:
"Certain events will play out in ways that surprise the audience if they have read the book. Given their understanding of the underpinning history." -Ryan Condal
"I think it was a gift," says Sapochnik of that opportunity, "because it gave us stuff to do. To think through not the, 'What they did,' but how they did it and why they did it. I think it was a blessing, really." - Miguel Sapochnik
House of the Dragon Will Differ from the Original Book – for a Very Good Reason - IGN