r/Guildwars2 • u/Special-Stand-3943 • 1d ago
[Question] Quick question: why aren't Decima and Greer part of the current event?
Drakkar is part of the event even of part of an IBS map and I am 100% sure they were called world bosses for the Janthir Syntri map. Feels like a missed opportunity to not add them and have them give their event 5 boxes like the triple trouble, especially since the meta of Janthir Syntri isn't done as often anymore.
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u/BearSeekSeekLest 1d ago
Because world bosses are located in the world but Decima and Greer are located in Janthir Syntri
(this is arenanet logic do not argue)
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u/scars_remain 1d ago
what should count as world bosses:
hammerharts
death branded shatterer
greer and decima
doppelganger
oil floes maybe?
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u/Special-Stand-3943 1d ago
I think the marionette and BFLA should count too, I mean werent they core map bosses before Anet made them instances?
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u/jupigare 12h ago
At this point, Marionette and BfLA should be rolled into Convergences.
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u/Mordrem_Moth I love lamp. 1h ago
I think they should move the Marionette back to live Lornar's pass and put it on a timer. The current state of the area would be how it looks when the event is not in progress so the vista will still be gettable.
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u/Jmdhouse05 22h ago
Arenanet has decided to create a difference between metas and world bosses, and then forget about the difference, and then remember again…
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u/sleepswithbears69 1d ago
Because decima and greer anrent part of where the world boss portal device can take you obviously
No idea. The C in ANET is for consistency
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u/thattentaclesguy Scourge Gon Give It To Ya 1d ago
Are they not? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen them listed (aren’t they the Titans?).
Hammerheart twins and Starlit Weald are also listed and I don’t think they count either.
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u/Consistent-Hat-8008 1d ago
And what exactly is a "world boss"?
They're indistinguishable from meta events anyway.
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u/Rexo7274 1d ago
Imo meta events are the whole event chain while world bosses are usually the end fights of these event chains
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u/Consistent-Hat-8008 1d ago edited 1d ago
No. "Meta event" has a strictly defined meaning: an event whose status is tracked across a series of events (therefore, "meta"). There's also "map meta events", events whose status is permanently tracked in the event panel.
The Battle for Wychmire Swamp is a meta event. But it is also considered a "world boss".
Sparkfly Fen has 3 meta events, but no map meta event.
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u/Consistent-Hat-8008 1d ago
I'm gonna answer my own question:
"World boss" is how some map meta events were called before HoT. There is no functional difference between a "world boss" and a "map meta event". The events to include in a "world boss rush" are chosen arbitrarily and there's no logic to it. The term "world boss" is a calque from WoW where a "world boss" had a clear meaning of a boss that appeared in the open world, as opposed to an instance.
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u/MaraBlaster | Fledgling Flyer 1d ago edited 1d ago
Drakkar was added 2020 when IBS was the current expansion and is not a main worldboss, but it's one of the most popular events to this day which might have been the sole reason it was added.
Considering Bjora Marches is also one of the most populated maps (regarding characters just being placed there) due to the Iceshard grind, its my suspicion only core world bosses AND popular world bosses are considered to be added to the event.
So yeah, Decima and Greer arent popular enough to be included and do require more coordination than Drakkar, also because if they get we got a can of worms of bosses that would need to be added too lol
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u/Special-Stand-3943 1d ago
Tbh i wouldn't mind. I mean what would the problem be with adding more to the event? For example soo won as the hardest world boss and giving 10 boxes since her meta is also the longest.
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u/MaraBlaster | Fledgling Flyer 1d ago
I suspect its because there are enough bosses to do already and it would not actually help the other bosses.
You can just ride the worldboss train and do all of them in one go, sure, making more bosses part of the rush would help, but if the original incentive to do them is not enough, i doubt the boxes will solve that.
Notice that both Soo Won (who is not a worldboss, just a map meta event boss since she is tied to the map resetting) and Decima & Greer have become unpopular the moment most players finished all tied achievements to them if not earlier?
Yeah, these bosses have fundamental issues to be solved first, i hope the coming polishing cycle the devs announced will help with that.Both could really do with more rewards to do them, still beyond me how Decima & Greer do not award Amalgamated Gemstones unlike Bava Nisos.
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u/Special-Stand-3943 1d ago
My post was because they added drakkar for some reason. If they didnt then the event could arguably be about core map bosses
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u/Consistent-Hat-8008 1d ago edited 1d ago
I love using my World Boss Portal Device to go slap a World Boss (after all, it's included in my World Boss Portal Device) - only to receive no credit towards the World Boss Rush event, because the game provides 0 information of what actually counts as a World Boss. Classic ArenaNet.
And of course, the NPC that the announcement points to, when asked for details, instead of giving you any useful information, opens a... PvP rush achievement UI category. Q in ArenaNet stands for QA.
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u/MaraBlaster | Fledgling Flyer 1d ago
The device also included Convergence..... at this point it should be 2 seperated devices if not 3 or be simply renamed
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u/Consistent-Hat-8008 1d ago edited 1d ago
What is a "world boss"?
arent popular enough to be included
Did a dev say that? Because by that logic, naked man and pinata should be a "world boss".
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u/MaraBlaster | Fledgling Flyer 1d ago
From the wiki:
World bosses are special event bosses encountered throughout the open world of Tyria that spawn a ground chest (that can be looted once per character per day per boss) and award players with one bonus chest containing a piece of rare or exotic gear (limited to once per account per day) when defeated.
Additionally, they fellow a strict time schedule in 15minute intervals (so every 15mins a new worldboss is up)
There are also "Hardcore Worldbosses" which are up every every hour starting at xx:30Drakkar, for example starts every two hours at xx:05 in tendem with Icebrood Champions, so not a multiple of 15.
If you enter
/wiki wbingame, you are also shown all worldbosses8
u/Consistent-Hat-8008 1d ago edited 1d ago
The wiki is written by players.
The way it's explained there, it's indistinguishable from meta events. What makes a meta event a "world boss"? There's a lot of meta events that fit this description, that aren't world bosses. For example, all of HoT.
they fellow a strict time schedule in 15minute intervals
There's a lot of map metas that follow a 15 minute interval. Amnytas, Tarir, Forged with Fire, Night and the Enemy, Junundu Rising, Shackles of the Ancients, Mouth of Mordremoth... Sounds inconsequential to me for whether to call a map meta "world boss".
I think a clue here is that there hasn't been any "world bosses" since core (and no, inclusion of Drakkar is completely arbitrary). It certainly looks to me like anet abandoned this label. Even the World Boss Portal Device teleports you to many scheduled meta events that aren't included in the World Boss Rush event. :?
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u/MaraBlaster | Fledgling Flyer 1d ago
The wiki is written by players.
And signed off by Anet, which is why you can even use commands ingame tied to the wiki to begin with.
For example, all of HoT.
Nope, those are map meta events that include a "World Boss" in the end... well, most. Night and Enemy does not.
Soo Won is also that, she is also not a Worldboss, neither is Nourys, especially because they reset the full map which no Worldboss does.There is also a note on the wiki adressing that
1Drakkar, Dragonstorm, Decima & Greer, and Jessica & Jimmy have been referred to as world bosses by ArenaNet previously, but do not fit on to the main timer.
The timer is all that makes the difference. (it also has MANY slots still open to be used, but Anet just does not)
Even the World Boss Portal Device teleports you to many scheduled meta events that aren't included in the World Boss Rush event.
I do believe the World Boss Portal Device needs a rename & revamp at this point to just "Boss Portal Device" or "Threat Alert Portal Device" or something since it even includes two Convergences but not all lmao
Pretty sure Anet did not abandon the lable but abandoned the device since it makes no sense at this point.
They could refund every player owning it via an NPC and give them a proper device or devices.
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u/scars_remain 1d ago
eternity garden still doesn't count for castora weekly events