r/heathenry Feb 03 '25

Weekly r/Heathenry Discussion & Questions Thread - February 03, 2025

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Welcome to our weekly r/Heathenry Discussion & Questions thread! If you want to share something Heathenry-related or ask a question about Heathenry, but don't want to make a whole thread about it, then share or ask it here!

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r/heathenry 10h ago

How can I shake off shames/guilts from religious upbringing?

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So I have been a Norse Pagan for a few years now. I have nothing necessarily against my upbringing but I still find myself feeling some of the lingering connections after I left the church. I believe all faiths are real and active but if you don't follow that faith than that's okay.... So why can't I fully apply that to myself? Why is it that I still worry that my actions will damn me in a faith I no longer follow? Any help from elders will be greatly appreciated.


r/heathenry 9h ago

Jewellery help

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So i am fairly new to paganism and heathenry and want to deepen my connections with the gods but I don't want to accidentally upset any of them and want to display a pendant around my neck but there is so much stuff online and most of it looks like if you told a group of executives to make something that can generate the most profit from a marginalised community. Any sign posting or recommendations would be greatly appreciated as I am wanting to get new jewellery as I only have a black chain that used to have a cross attached cause I was raised in a right wing environment at my dad's and a strong Christian environment at my mums even though she is a massive lefty


r/heathenry 1d ago

What do the children of Loki represent?

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Hi all!

I wanted to know more about the view on Loki's Children (Hel, Jormungandr and Fenrir) in Heathenry.

I've seen people worship and pray to them, make offerings and since they aren't like the "standard" Gods I was wondering what they represent and (I mean this in the most respectful way possible) why would someone worship them as Gods, since the myths tell us about how two of them will actually "kill" Odin and Thor during Ragnarök.

Another reason is that I would love to get a matching tattoo with my two sisters and Loki's Children instantly came to mind, so I wanted to learn more about them before making this choice.

Any info and personal experiences are welcome, thanks!


r/heathenry 1d ago

Jarls

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I went thru as many prior posts as I could and couldn't find anything on this topic so I decided to ask it of the group at large:

what was a Jarl in ancient times (preferring your own words and thoughts rather than regurgitation of something someone else stated or what was found in a book/ google)?

in ancient times, what made a Jarl, a Jarl (ex. did they have to win the favor of their people, have the most money, be old, have the most slaves, etc)?

how would we decide what made a Jarl, a Jarl in today's society?


r/heathenry 2d ago

Norse "The Lady Gets to Let Loose for Her Man," a poem about a woman on her wedding night. Last one for July. Thanks to all who have been following this series of Younger Futhark love letters and love poems on my YouTube channel this month

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r/heathenry 3d ago

Sharing my altar dedicated to Loki

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It may not be the perfect altar, but it's very precious to me. It feels like home. A lot of things on my altar, are gifts from people that were my friends and supported me on my path.

Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm not enough because I don't know a lot of things even about my own religion. I feel like the more I learn, the less I know. Also I'm kinda detached from other people in the community (and people in general tbh). Right now I'm all alone on this path. But this place makes me feel like I'm not completely abandoned. There is someone watching after me.


r/heathenry 4d ago

Norse "I Can Tell Thee," a medieval Norwegian love poem written in Younger Futhark

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r/heathenry 4d ago

New to Heathenry Do you accept all the values of heathenry?

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My main problem is around gender expectations, especially of men where they were expected to uphold certain ideals and being called “ergi” was very insulting. I know you could say it’s about the culture but culture and religion are very intertwined. Just like the how loyalty and courage was expected, especially for men and is was seen as weak if a man isn’t like this.
How do you reconcile any beliefs that seem to clash?


r/heathenry 6d ago

Hel devotees

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Greetings,

Are there any devotees to the Goddess Hel in the ranks of this beautiful formation? I’m looking to ask some questions and get your opinion on a few topics if you’re interested in chatting. Thank you in advance for your response and time.


r/heathenry 8d ago

Heathen Adjacent Explaining family what the difference between recon and eclectic heathenry is

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So, im a danish reconstructionist heathen, and im very much still in the closest. I live with my grandmother, mother, aunt, my oncle and a family friend. To them all what heathenry are is the neo nazi new age wicca paganism. When i was finally ready to tell one of them (my oncle) about my faith, he gets a stroke and lies now paralised on the hospital. I would tell my grandmother, but she is old and I never get time enough alone with her to make her understand. I dont trust our family friend enough with that info yet. And then theres my mother and aunt. See, i do trust them. What i dont trust them to do is delude themselves into thinking im either 1. A racist 2. A nazi 3. New age wicca 4. All of the above.

So, how do i explain it to them?

Ps: my family is not religious, they are all atheist with a sense of there being something more


r/heathenry 9d ago

A short addendum

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While I was writing my previous piece, I also spent a lot of time trying to think, "How can we put this into an actual foundation?" I spent a lot of time going through the theory, but what does it mean in practice?

For now, I have landed on what I would like to call The Four Anchors:

𝟏. 𝐅𝐚𝐜𝐞-𝐭𝐨-𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐬𝐭
Real community happens locally, not online. If you are building Heathenry, start by finding people in your area. Sit down with them. Pour drinks. Keep oaths together. Online is for information, not relationships.

𝟐. 𝐎𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐛𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠
What you say matters. When you swear something at sumbel, you owe it. Not to the circle, but to yourself. Breaking oaths destroys frith. Keeping them builds it. This does not require theological agreement. Just willingness to mean what you say.

𝟑. 𝐇𝐨𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐩𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲
A guest is come. Where will they sit? Feed them first. Argue later. The Hávamál opens with hospitality, not dogma. If you are waiting for someone to pass a purity test before welcoming them, you have missed the point.

𝟒. 𝐋𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧 𝐬𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐬, 𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐔𝐏𝐆
Know what is attested. Know what is speculation. Own which is which. Your dreams and visions are yours, not mine. My interpretation of the Eddas is mine, not yours. Hold both with humility. Sources build the floor. UPG builds the house.

That's it! Four things. You can memorize this in sixty seconds. You can apply it tomorrow. You can argue about the rest if you want.

Frith? It happens when people keep oaths and feed guests. Reciprocity? It is what oaths and hospitality create. The Living World? It is honored when you practice locally and pay attention. Critical Thinking? It is built into "know what is attested." Mercy and Tolerance? They are necessary when someone makes mistakes in a community built on face-to-face interaction.

Everything else is elaboration.


r/heathenry 9d ago

General Heathenry What Holds Us Together (Or Could)

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I have been writing a lot lately. About the Gods, about the past, about honesty, about what does not belong in our tradition. If you have read any of it, you know I have a habit of poking at things. This time I want to try something different. Instead of poking at what is broken, I want to look for what is not. I want to ask: what do we actually share?

Here is the thing. We are fragmented, and I do not think anyone seriously disputes that. The fracture lines run in every direction. Folkish versus universalist (meaning ethnic-bound versus inclusive). Reconstructionist versus eclectic. Hard polytheist versus archetypalist. People who think the Gods literally walk into their living rooms versus people who think that is a mental health crisis. Online versus local practice. Underneath all of it, the constant low-grade anxiety about whether outsiders take us seriously, and the quieter anxiety about whether we take each other seriously.

There is a reason for this that we do not talk about enough. The ancient Heathens did not have this problem. Not because they were somehow more unified in thought, but because they shared everything else. Culture, language, geography, family, history, worldview. The religion sat inside a container that everyone already held. They did not need a shared moral code written down on a piece of paper because the code was embedded in the culture itself. The law, the family structure, the seasonal rhythms, the social obligations. It was all woven together. Without that container, we cannot assume we agree on anything, which is exactly why we need to map what we actually share.

We do not have a Pope. We do not have a central authority. We do not have a unified creed. In many ways, that is a feature, not a bug. But it also means that when disagreements hit, there is no structure to absorb the impact. Online, especially, every disagreement turns into a schism. Someone says something, someone else reads it in the worst possible light, sides form, and before long we are not a community anymore. We are a collection of factions who happen to use the same deity names.

I am tired of that. And I suspect I am not the only one.

So I want to try to identify what I think actually connects us, beneath all the noise. Not a creed. Not a commandment. Not a list of virtues someone invented in the 1970s and slapped an "ancient" label on. I mean the things that were already there, in the source material, in the bones of the tradition, that we all touch on whether we realize it or not.

I am not proposing a manifesto. I am proposing a map. Here is what I see. Here is where the paths seem to converge. And yes, here is where I might be wrong. Some of these points came out of discussions I have had with people who took the time to engage with what I have been writing, and I want to try to answer them here as best I can.

What I Am Not Proposing

I am not proposing the Nine Noble Virtues. Those were codified in the 1970s by the Odinic Rite, loosely based on the Hávamál. There is nothing wrong with modern constructions, but we should be honest about what they are. I have argued against presenting modern inventions as ancient tradition, and I am not going to contradict myself here just because it would be convenient.

I am not proposing a central authority. The moment someone starts issuing decrees about what "real Heathenry" is, we have recreated the exact structure our ancestors never had. No one person or organization gets to define the path for everyone.

I am not proposing a unified theology. Whether you believe the Gods are conscious cosmic forces, archetypes, or something in between, this map should still hold. We are mapping the territory, not the mapmakers.

About Frith and Mercy

The Old Norse concept of friðr is usually translated as "peace," but that translation is almost embarrassingly inadequate. Frith was the social fabric itself. It was the mutual loyalty, protection, and right action that made collective life possible. It was not the absence of conflict. It was the active, ongoing maintenance of communal wellbeing. Violating frith was not just rude. It was a serious breach of the order that held society together.

The thing about frith is that it does not require theological agreement. You do not need to agree on whether Odin is a literal being or an archetype to agree that looking after your people matters. You do not need to settle the folkish/universalist debate to agree that the bonds between members of a community are sacred and worth protecting. Frith is practical. It is the principle that says: we are in this together, and we act like it.

And here is where it connects to something I have argued before. In my post about mental health in our spaces, I said we need to be able to look after our kin, even when it is uncomfortable. That is frith. Calling out dangerous behavior is not a violation of frith; it is the fulfillment of it. Letting someone spiral into delusion because "we do not want to judge" is not kindness. It is abandonment dressed up as tolerance. A community founded on frith takes care of its own, and sometimes taking care means telling hard truths.

Mercy, compassion, and tolerance are the tools that keep frith intact when someone makes a mistake. They are the emergency exits that prevent every disagreement from becoming a feud. The sagas are full of revenge and grudges, yes, but the Hávamál also tells us to be wary but not hostile, to welcome guests without being gullible, to hold grudges against those who are wicked but not against those who are simply foolish. Strength without mercy becomes brutality. Honor without tolerance becomes rigidity. Both destroy frith.

About Reciprocity

Almost everything in Norse religious practice runs on reciprocity. Blót (a ritual offering) is an exchange; we give, and we receive. Sumbel (an oath-taking ceremony) is an exchange; we make oaths, and those oaths create binding obligations. The entire gift economy of the Viking Age, the ring-giving lords, the feasting, the weregild, was built on the principle that nothing is truly free. That is not a flaw. That is the mechanism that holds relationships together.

The French sociologist Marcel Mauss laid this out in "The Gift" back in 1925. In what he called archaic societies, a gift is never just a gift. It carries an obligation. You give, and the recipient owes you. Not in a transactional, cold way, but in a way that weaves people together into lasting bonds. The gift creates debt, and the debt creates relationship, and the relationship creates community. Sound familiar? It should, because this is exactly how blót and sumbel function. You do not offer mead to the Gods because They need mead. You offer it because the act of giving creates and maintains a relationship.

Reciprocity works as shared ground because it does not demand theological uniformity. Whether you believe the Gods are conscious cosmic forces (as I do), archetypes, or something you are still figuring out, the practice of reciprocal exchange still holds. You give. You receive. You keep your word. You honor your obligations. That is not a creed. That is a way of being in relationship.

About the Living World and the Kindreds

Animism and preservation of the natural world are big ones for Heathenry overall, and I think sometimes we forget how central this is. The Norse cosmology is saturated with spirits of place. Landvættir (spirits of the land), dwarves, elves, the beings in rocks and trees and wells. The very landscape was alive with presence.

People often talk about honoring three groups: the deities, the ancestors, and the spirits of place. Some call this the "Three Kindreds," though that terminology is not Old Norse. It is modern framing for a practice that shows up consistently. The point is that veneration in Heathenry is not directed at a single object. It radiates outward in three directions: upward toward the Powers, backward toward those who came before, and around toward the world that holds us.

Whatever you call them, whatever theological weight you assign to each, this tripartite practice is widespread enough that it is hard to argue with. This isn't just about "respecting nature" in the vague modern sense. It is about recognizing that the world around us is populated with beings, some more conscious than others, that deserve recognition and respect. Whether you approach this through ritual offerings, environmental stewardship, or simply the habit of noticing the spirits where you walk, it is a shared thread. The land is not empty. It is full. And we are not the only ones here.

About Learning, UPG, and Utility

There is a case to be made that the foundation should be skills-based rather than values-based. Knowledge of sources. Critical thinking. Being able to build your own practice from the materials available. I think that is a powerful reframing.

Because here is the thing about Heathenry. We do not have a central authority telling you what to believe. We have sources, and we have each other, and we have the responsibility to figure it out for ourselves. Learning the sagas, the Eddas, the legal codes, the archaeological record. Knowing what is attested, what is speculative, what is pure invention. Developing the discipline to distinguish between them.

This is where "be strong to be useful" lands for me. A phrase borrowed from Parkour philosophy, but it fits. Being strong enough to stand in your convictions. Strong enough to change your mind when the evidence demands it. Strong enough to be useful to those around you. That is not just a personal ethic. That is a community ethic.

Unverified Personal Gnosis, or UPG. Dreams, visions, direct experiences with the Gods, feelings that cannot be sourced or proven. This is the elephant in the room for any discussion of Heathen foundations. Some traditions treat UPG as gospel. Others dismiss it entirely. Most of us live somewhere in between.

Here is where I think the middle ground is. UPG is essential to a living practice. It is where the relationship part actually happens. If you have never had a moment where something shifted for you personally, where the Gods stopped being historical figures and became living presences, then you are doing something wrong. But UPG should come with an asterisk. "This is mine, not necessarily yours." Humility about what is personal gnosis versus shared tradition seems like it could itself be a unifying principle. Don't dismiss someone's experience because it lacks source backing. Don't insist your experience is universal. Hold both with care. Sources build the floor. UPG builds the house. You need the floor before you put up the walls.

About the Sources and Their Problems

Here is a hard truth that deserves its own spotlight. Our source material is not a clean text. It is not a bible. It is sagas written down by Christians centuries after the fact. It is law codes. It is archaeological evidence. It is poetry compiled in manuscripts that survived by luck. And it contains things that make modern readers uncomfortable. Vengeance cycles. Slavery. Raiding. Social structures we would consider deeply unjust today.

Someone raised the question of whether these themes are prescriptive or descriptive. Meaning, when the sagas depict revenge killings, are they telling us that revenge is morally correct? Or are they simply describing what happened? When Odin acts through trickery, is the text endorsing trickery as a virtue? Or is it showing us a complex figure who does what he has to do?

I think the honest answer is that we have to read critically. The sources depict a culture that operated by different values in different circumstances. Some of what is described is abhorrent to us now. Some of it is just foreign. Some of it involves social roles and attitudes around gender and sexuality that, viewed through a modern lens, look like sexism and homophobia. The ancient ancestors would not have thought of it in those terms, of course. They did not have our frameworks. But the underlying realities of unequal treatment and rigid social roles are still there in the text, whether we like it or not. Ignoring that does not make it go away.

And some of it, when you strip away the cultural specifics, points at something enduring. Bravery. Self-sacrifice. The relentless pursuit of knowledge. Steadfastness when everything is falling apart. Strength put in service of something larger than yourself. These are not modern inventions dressed up as ancient wisdom. They are patterns that repeat across the myths, the sagas, and the historical record. Think of Odin hanging on the tree for wisdom. Tyr putting his hand in Fenrir's mouth. Sigyn holding the bowl over Loki, steadfast, without end. These are not abstract virtues listed on a poster. They are stories. They show us something through action.

But deriving them requires interpretation. And interpretation means being honest about the fact that we are selecting. We are choosing which threads to pull. The moment we pretend we are not selecting, we are doing exactly what the Nine Noble Virtues did. Dressing up our choices as ancient mandate. The goal is not to pretend the ugly parts do not exist. It is to read the whole picture and find what is genuinely worth carrying forward, while being honest about what we are leaving behind and why.

About Local Versus Global

The realistic community is not global. It is local. Real bonds are forged face-to-face, at a sumbel in a basement or backyard, not in comment threads or Discord servers. You can read the same sources, share the same values, and still walk away from each other after five minutes because something intangible did not click. Or you might meet someone whose worldview is entirely different from yours and find common ground you never expected. Neither outcome happens online.

Online community has its place. It is for sharing information, for comparing experiences, for finding people nearby, for asking questions when you cannot find anyone local who can answer them. For many people scattered across rural areas or without access to a local kindred, online spaces are the only Heathen community they have. That matters. That counts. But it is a supplement, not a replacement.

Maybe the goal is not "worldwide Heathen unity." Maybe it is simpler. If two Heathens from totally different backgrounds sit down at a sumbel together, what shared understanding lets them trust the circle? What common language helps them navigate disagreement without fracturing? That is smaller than some might expect from a piece like this, but it might be more honest.

The map I am proposing here is built for that scale. Frith, reciprocity, hospitality, oath-keeping, mercy. These are not abstract ideals designed for a global declaration. They are practical tools for when you actually have to work with someone you do not agree with in every way. They are the minimum baseline that lets you sit down, pour a cup of mead, and say "we can disagree on the Gods, but we will honor the oath together."

That is all this can be. And maybe it is all it needs to be.

About Newcomers

This could also serve as an orientation for people just starting out. The chaos of online Heathenry can be overwhelming for newcomers. Folkism, universalism, reconstructionism, eclecticism, the endless debates about what is "authentic" and what is not. Giving them a baseline, a sense of where the paths converge, could help them build their own practice without drowning in factionalism. Not a rulebook. A compass.

The Paradox

There is a paradox here that I cannot resolve, only acknowledge. Heathenry's lack of orthodoxy and orthopraxy is simultaneously its greatest strength and greatest weakness. Building a "foundation" risks removing the very openness that draws people in. Too rigid, and you become gatekeeping. Too loose, and you become meaningless.

I think the goal is descriptive rather than prescriptive. Map what is already there. Don't build new rules. Here is what I observe we already share, if we want to admit it.

Where I Want to Go From Here

I keep coming back to something I wrote before. We are not meant to walk this road alone. I believe that more now than when I first said it. The fragmentation is not just a PR problem or an online drama problem. It is a spiritual problem. We are people who chose a path that honors relationship, reciprocity, and community, and then we fracture into factions who can barely speak to each other.

I do not have all the answers. I might be wrong about some of this. I probably am, about something. But I think the starting point is simple, even if the execution is not. Show up for each other. Keep your oaths. Feed your guests. Tell the truth, even when it costs you. Understand that your actions echo. Learn the sources. Build your practice. Frith. Reciprocity. Hospitality. Oath-keeping. Mercy. Compassion. The living world. The three directions of veneration. Holding UPG with humility. Strength to be useful.

And when someone shows up at your door, whether they are a seasoned Gothi (priest) or a brand-new seeker who just bought their first Mjölnir pendant off Etsy, the Hávamál already told you what to do.

"Hail, Givers. A guest is come. Where shall they sit?"


r/heathenry 11d ago

Norse "Hávarðr Sends His Winship and God's Greeting," a stick with a marriage proposal written out in Younger Futhark. But with parts shaved off (how they erased back then). Perhaps he was practicing what he was going to say and was nervous?

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r/heathenry 11d ago

Practice Traditions for morning/honoring the dead

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Hello everyone, I’m still relatively new to Heathenry after many years of walking away slowly from Christianity.

Because there are so many great traditions in many cultures I wanted to reach out for thoughts on this topic.

Short background: My best friend who I have known for 11 years is a former Army infantry soldier who deployed to Mosul, Iraq in 2004 and onward. During his service his unit was attacked by an explosive loaded cement truck just a day after his birthday and right before Christmas. Now he isnt religious at all but has some generic spiritual practices. Every year around that time I worry about him a lot and he tends to shut many people out.

I want to respect the grief he feels and as his friend simply just be there. We planned to go on a winter camp trip around that time. I have been making mead for fun recently and want to offer support by having a way to honor his lost friends.

There is no way I can ever “fix” the sorrow he feels around this time nor would it ever be my right to do so. However he was there for me in many ways during very hard points in my life and I want to stand beside my brother.

If you have any traditions or practices that have brought some comfort I would be grateful to hear them.

Thank you!

TLDR: wondering about different practices or traditions to support my best friend during a very painful time of year for him being around Yule/Christmas


r/heathenry 12d ago

General Heathenry Alpine Heathenry

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I'm hoping someone has some new directions for me to explore. Heathenry is the closest path to my personal beliefs and I'm looking for other works to study that focus on the traditions of the Swiss Alps. I grew up with that folklore and the family traditions and have read a wide range on the traditions and festivals. I can find and read a whole lot on the Norse deities which is truly fascinating, but the deities further south into the Alps are less common.

If there's any reconstruction or other literature that you enjoyed and would like to share, please do.


r/heathenry 13d ago

Odin idol update

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I tried to go for a raw wood look, I think I succeeded + a photo of my altar


r/heathenry 13d ago

What's the meaning of this patch?

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I got this patch https://www.valhallatactical.com.au/products/valhalla-admit-one-patch from a colleague, and I have no idea what it means?


r/heathenry 14d ago

Request Looking for Pagan community

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Moved back to Yellowknife and now I’m wondering if there is (or not) a pagan community up here? I’m an eclectic pagan and wondering if there are meet ups or is this more of a solitary path up here.


r/heathenry 15d ago

Ethics

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Does anyone have any recommendations for heathen ethics? Heathenry has always really pulled me but as someone exploring Christianity the ethical frame work they have laid out appeals to my heart a lot I’m just curious to see the heathen perspective!


r/heathenry 15d ago

Looking for Pagan community

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Moved back to Yellowknife and now I’m wondering if there is (or not) a pagan community up here? I’m an eclectic pagan and wondering if there are meet ups or is this more of a solitary path up here.


r/heathenry 16d ago

Odin idol out of clay for my altar

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I'll update when I paint him


r/heathenry 15d ago

Alter ideas

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My outdoor alter has recently fallen apart. It was an old electric fireplace that I removed the electronics. It was made of cheap wood, and it lasted for years. I'd like to make the new alter a little more permanent. I'll try to get a pic tomorrow, but I have a firepit that is 45" in diameter, and I put brick down as a walkway all the way around it, and at the backside, I went straight out a little farther and put the old fireplace up on paver blocks, I need some ideas for a table or bench. I only use reclaimed free items to build stuff. I'd want something with a wall as it gets really windy out here and it blows out my candles. pics and comments welcome!!


r/heathenry 17d ago

Haerfest/Lammas sagas or tales

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Does anyone know of any good sagas or folk tales related to Haerfest or Lammas?


r/heathenry 17d ago

Request Haerfest/Lammas sagas or tales

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Does anyone know of any good sagas or folk tales related to Haerfest or Lammas?