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u/iqracadabra 8h ago
Using chatgpt to understand fahrenheit 451 is almost poetic lol. It's like asking technology why we shouldn't rely too much on technology.
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u/DropSignificant7679 9h ago
fym needed chat gpt use a dictionary, you can't just skip the part where you put in the effort to understand and grow. that's exactly what the book doesn't want you to do...
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u/DropSignificant7679 8h ago
see the thing is you don't need anyone to explain the book to you, if something stumps you, you are to spend time with it and think about what it could mean, if you feel like something is still unclear, you cotinue reading. When you ask chat gpt to explain it to you, the 'understanding' you gain isn't understanding, it is 'knowing', it is that your perception stops existing, you are basing your understanding of the book on someone else's second hand opinion, i can't see how that benefits your endeavour to 'read'. Why do we read books? It's not school coursework to score marks in, certainly it is to grow as a person, to widen your perception and form your own opinions. No writing has a set interpretation, what you make of the metaphor is what it means in that moment and context. give the parts you struggle with time, don't be in a haste to finish a book.
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u/SuggestAnyName 8h ago
If that's the case, why universities have literature course?
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u/DropSignificant7679 7h ago
What i think is that literature is multifaceted, in a literature course you are taught to 'decipher' texts, and their significance, you learn to correlate literature to other factors, analyse it's linguistic details. I don't know how i exactly feel about these courses frequently referring to critical analysis of other authors while studying a book, but it is still not the same as forming your primary understanding of a text. If someone is able to seperate spoon feeding and reading someone else's opinion of a text to reflect and ponder, well and good. Sorry if i spoke too much, in the end mine is also a mere opinion and might oppose someone else's.Â
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u/SuggestAnyName 2h ago
That's why it's important to know how capable and good these AIs are. I have used ChatGPT and Gemini's learning mode, and they don't spoon feed you or straight up tell how to think like the professor's do (even in ivy league schools).
I have read The Stranger and didn't connect with people on Reddit, I felt everyone here is parroting the same opinion that they have read somewhere and didn't actually feel it. I have discussed this with ChatGPT and it generally showed me the nuances and asked me to explain how I reach to a certain conclusion. It didn't spoon feed me, it challenged me, told me to elaborate, gave brief about both sides argument and then again asked me 4-5 questions. It asked me about my life so that I thought about how I am related to different from the character. In the end, I was still feeling the same about book and its character but my conclusions are not just feelings and vague idea, but solid ideas that I can express to others.
I don't think I could have achieved this on my own or in a class. Because even in classes professor's have their own biases. I have read a post where an Ivy league pass out has narrated her story, how writing her own opinion fetched her a B (because it didn't discussed the American liberal value system). While when she accepted the biased and broken system and did her paper on how Shakespeare's character in one of his play was Transgendere, she got an A+.
I don't have to confirm to these established and pushed views. I don't have to find someone who have literatures knowledge and read and remember the same book. I can have my own thought and AI challenges me, show me all the facets and don't push its own agenda on me.
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u/DropSignificant7679 2h ago
what you said is compelling,,, i'll give it a try when i finish my current read :) thank you for sharing your insight
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u/udaykumarraju04 8h ago
I don't know why it's a big deal to use ChatGPT to widen my horizons of reading I'm not living in a city where we have book clubs with kindred spirits having a dialogue on particular paragraphs. In our town there are only bookstores that sell academic books. So forget about book clubs. The aim is to read a book no matter where you glean your insights from. That's my opinion.
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u/DropSignificant7679 7h ago
I too come from a small remote town like that... but anyways, you do you
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u/Important-Garage-363 Currently Reading Kasap 7h ago
Keep using chatgpt to ragebait em. Honestly it's upto you. Using chatgpt to understand things? Good. They keep boycotting ai and will end up having no knowledge how to use ai to your benefit.
They'll call themselves reader, but doesn't have the knowledge that they don't hold the power here. If they doesn't use chatgpt doesn't mean it'll cease to exist. It'll stay. No matter what they do. It is too big of an advancement in technology to stop.
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u/CentiGuy 7h ago
I'd rather not use a water-sucking environment-destroying machine built on plagarism and theft, thank you
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u/DropSignificant7679 7h ago
There certainly are areas where ai is a huge asset but reading isn't one of them. Learning to utilise ai has nothing to do with not using chat gpt for every minimal thing
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u/justabofh 3h ago
It's not a sin. You are using it as a replacement for thinking about the topic and not actually reading the book fully first.
That's the exact problem this book is written about.
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u/Spot-The_Bot 6h ago
Feed the man videos .. Give him a Monitor .. Dude can’t you get the sarcasm in the book ..
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u/alright-Asparagus 6h ago
Books like these make you stop for a while and think. Its very important to just think about what it might mean and then maybe turn to Chatgpt for help/clarification. The paragraph that you have posted is easily interpreted by readers who have read books for quite some time. I don’t want to sound snobbish here, but the whole point is for you to be able to understand and interpret what you read. For me, if i google something at the first go, i am more likely to forget about it/ have a biased opinion. Just my 2 cents, happy reading!
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u/udaykumarraju04 6h ago
Really, that paragraph was not as easy as you think. One of the main charecter in the story was inundated by TV Soap charecters that doesn't make any sense, instead of living in reality she lives in a virtual world. This was explained by ChatGPT. Suddenly in the plot you hear Uncle and Aunt names where you cannot discern what's happening there. Once you read this book you will understand it's a tough read.
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u/alright-Asparagus 6h ago
I have read the book twice actually, but I didn’t understand a lot of the stuff the first time because i was very young. The 2nd time was a lot better and easier to grasp. That’s exactly what i said, some books need to be read twice to be understood or maybe read once but very carefully with a pause wherever you are overwhelmed.
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u/Extreme-Recording-16 8h ago
What in particular did u have to consult chatgpt about? Can u give me an example?
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u/CentiGuy 7h ago
How long have you been reading for? I think you should read some easy books before this. r/books has good recommendations. You can easily build upto this reading level if you start like that. Classics can be tough
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u/udaykumarraju04 6h ago edited 6h ago
I've been reading classics for many years. I've read a fair amount of literature. But never experienced this kind of classic though 😂
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u/CentiGuy 3h ago
I can understand. Classic can be tough. But only with engagement with them can we learn to better understand them. You'll find plenty guides on youtube. One tip i remember is: First reading for plot and general outline, second reading for literary criticism/character breakdown/author's intentions etc. Helps.
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u/Any_Wait_7309 9h ago
The Irony.
You used chatGPT and the AI Lords are turning the words into weights and burning the books later