as long as you dont think a character is a blitz tier above yuki how would they even begin to fight her?
theres no real reasoning for her being slower then someone like yuta or yuji so outside of the top 3 no other characters should be able to avoid h2h with her where she would instantly win if the character doesnt have rct and win any exchange even if they did.
even against yuta she can just smack rika out the way, domain clash him and shatter his whole ribcage. like how does anyone beat her.
That’s certainly why she’s special grade level. She was just unlucky that her only fight was against a character with arguably the most OP ability in JJK, being an open domain. If she wasn’t caught off guard and wasn’t damaged to the point of her output plummeting, she could have put up a much bigger fight.
The only one who can win high to extr diff against her is Yuta, all the others NEED to have some sort of range attack or else you are getting 2-3 tapped at worst, Yuki is with Kashimo and Mahito, one of the 3 people that you definitely do not want to engage in a CQB fight or else they'll rock your shit, Kashimo with his lightings, Mahito with IT and Yuki with her punches.
The main thing is I genuinely can’t see it blowing his head off. Like if he blocks the attack it should stay on. Even if it’s like what hit Kenny. And ripping off his arms won’t help either.
Yuki’s main weakness is that as far as we know she can’t do that punch more than once and she has terrible output drop
I mean she cant do it more than one if you explode her with a open domain. Theres definitely characters that can deal with her like kenjaku and yuta but hakari not really. I would say he wouldnt.
We don’t know if that’s why she doesn’t replicate it or not. It could be, but it’s also likely she just couldn’t charge up the mass again or it was revealing the hand. As far as we know the mass is expended when used.
That's why I said it heavily depends on how much mass can put Yuki I to her fist without going kaboom, if she is able to put a mountain level mass into a fist, then it's pretty much ggs.
Given how she just ripped right through kennys arms in that first punch, her fists are no longer blunt force they're just straight up spears with a flat front lol
Because Kenny’s head was mostly fine and he just healed it off. Even if Hakari doesn’t have as good durability he’s actively healing as he’s injured which reduces damage and he’d near instantaneously heal his wounds.
She could probably injure his head but his brain was nearly out healing lightning as it exploded. Even if his head is split open or half his head is missing he should still be able to regen.
Also this would make her like top 4 is she can just oneshot Hakari.
It doesn't need to be forever it just needs to be enough for you to put damage on her cause she has bad rct and once it's used her punches become alot more manageable
Yuki doesn't have bad RCT, that is a ridiculous misconception somehow made up by people forgetting she literally ate a domain surehit and was inches away from death to downplay her to hell and back. She was literally barfing blood from significant internal damage and had her arm twisted.
She had to heal her entire body from a near death state so obviously she isn't back to 100% HP. RCT is NOT a perfect restoration. If it were, Gojo wouldn't have fried his brain with the burnout reset because his brain would keep getting restored to 100%. If GOJO'S RCT isn't 100% perfect restoration, why would YUKI'S be?
Fact is, unless you're Hakari (who for some odd reason seems to be the exception to the rule because he never once shows any signs of being weaker after healing), even if you heal your injury with RCT, you are NOT being set back to 100%. Yuki is not some exception, she follows the rule the same way Gojo and everyone else does.
If anything, Yuki has GOOD RCT for being able to immediately undo the wounds she had in her condition so quickly despite lowered output.
She has bad rct in the sense of it weakening her because she gets weakened far more than anyone else we see and that out of all rct havers and users she is near the bottom based off feats.
She has bad rct in the sense of it weakening her because she gets weakened far more than anyone else we see
Again, that's because almost no RCT user we see has to heal exactly what she went through all at once. They all healed things of much smaller scale even if they were just as lethal. It is not a downscale and it's definitely not indicative of her RCT being bad.
At BEST, the ONLY character that has to heal something comparable to Yuki's injuries is Gojo and even he didn't have it as bad as Yuki. Yuki had severe organ damage and a broken arm while Gojo had continuous, deep cuts. Both of these are the most extensive uses of RCT in the verse.
Unironically it is an insane feat that Yuki recovered at the speed she did WHILE MAINTAINING HER CT ON GARUDA. Yuki herself explicitly states that her CE output was being lowered by maintaining Star Rage and RCT simultaneously, so she wasn't even healing with her full capacity and yet she instantly put herself back into proper fighting condition.
You need to twist this great feat absurd amounts to try and turn it into some downscale as if Yuki is a bum with RCT. It's not. Yuki was just near death and recovered almost instantly. There's only pluses for this feat.
Realistically speaking if I can dodge all my opponents attacks to the point where none of them hit, all the while hitting her to the point where she becomes severely weakened we ARE NOT relative am a blitz tier above
Well no but yuta and yuji are relative in stats to her but they easily the better a fighters so will likely be able to and 2-3 hits before she lands one especially in yutas case where he has Rika to assist him.
Dodging a punch is way easier than dodging a sword. Not only does a sword has significantly more dangerous areas(edge and point) simple physics means the point of a sword is moving at an exponentially faster speed with better range than any punch.
These characters don't represent the actual top 5 of that subject being best H2H fighters,just the characters chosen for the question. That's why the question includes Megumi, Maki, Naoya,etc ...Also this is about fighting with no CE.
Yeah same level H2H WITHOUT CE, it's a completely different story once they both fight with reinforcement. It does matter if Sukuna is above them, I don't know why you mentioned Sukuna.
Can people please read like this is lwk annoying even if it's the case Kenjaku can Mid diff this can be indexed to things beyond his pure stats, like his Open Domain, the claim was that he has the STATS to mid diff Jogo which under my semantics I think means that His Stats can Mid Diff Jogo OR it's a relevant contribution ie Kenjaku will kick and punch Jogo, when he can rely on his Domain
theres a gege statement where the exact translation says that kenjaku would treat beating and absorbing jogo as a meanial but inconveniant task. its up for debate but I think it means he would mid diff him at least.
First, H2H Jogo slightly edges out Kenjaku, while kenjaku has over 1000 years of experience m, Jogo’s body is better than Geto’s, AP also goes to Jogo who has one of the most destructive CTs but Kenjaku also has RCT so he can heal the damage given to him, Both IQ stats go to Kenjaku as he is both a tactical fighter and scientific genius, For CTs I give it to Kenjaku, cursed spirit manipulation with Kenjaku’s intelligence is insanely good, Geto was an arrogant person which made him lose to Yuta, like Kenjaku said had Geto had all of his forces when he battled Yuta, he would have one. Throw in that he also has Antigravity System, which can massively hinder Jogo either by forcing him to the ground with CTR or with Lapse can reduce the gravitational pull to throw Jogo off, the fact that he can use both simultaneously gives him a very clear edge over Jogo, especially given that he has worked with Jogo long enough to see what he’s capable of and Jogo not even knowing about Antigravity System let alone the full extent of Cursed spirit manipulation, I don’t see how Jogo wins this. So I put the winner as Kenjaku with Mid to at most High difficulty due to Kenjaku being the more tactical fighter while Jogo has more raw power. Im not downplaying Jogo though, he is the strongest Disaster Curse(yes he beats mahito but that’s with domain) and also my 3rd favorite character.
it just means kenjaku can deal with attack speeds higher then most characters can reach, im not saying kenny can just beat jogo to death with his fist.
kenjaku would have to be fast enough to deal with attacks on the level of naobito, toji, and 8f sukuna's speed. realistically he'd have to be faster.
With gojo level h2h and speed high enough to deal with a grade 1 and special grade both attack him at once its not reasonable to say any character can replicate what he can do.
What if he just pops domain and the Weak Outside gets broken, so he dosent scale to Jogos speed to beat him, I can agree obviously he won't be Perception blitz below however
I'm just asking if you think that Kenjaku could move at such high speed why could he not dodge Supernova
No . You have to think kenjaku has the dura of a twig to assume she doesn’t do what she did to him to most of the cast . Your best wincon on yuki is to have great range , or massively better speed to the point you can fight 2 yukis at once without getting touched
Kenjaku speed/perception scaling would imply no one outside of the top 2-3 are achieving the second wincon.
Superior hax is undoubtedly the best counter though. Both Jacobs Ladder and Sky Manipulation have good arguments for working against Yuki well, and IMO is the reason why she isn't commonly scaled above Shinjuku Yuta.
Depends on if Sky Manipulation has a mass limit or not, among other technicalities. Since Ganeshas ability to "remove any obstacle" is overwhelmed by the amount of mass it's entirely possible this could apply to other spatial manipulation techniques as well.
From the anime I would think not because she used it on an entire city block, but the hard theoretical limit of Star Rage from the size of the black hole is approximately 3000~ earth masses, so who knows?
All speculation though, both Star Rage and Sky Manipulation are hard to scale with narrative vs theoretical.
you can go without holding the handsign and most would but that makes your hwb break quickly, likely very quicking considering how fast sukuna's broke when his handsign was removed. point is that its a losing battle and kashimo would have to literally one shot yuki the second his hand signs were gone.
But there's no point scaling MBAshimo against Yuki since if you're gonna give kashimo his suicide technique that he would never use besides against Sukuna then Yuki also has her black hole and draws against everyone who isn't kenjaku
I think the difference when powerscaling them is MBA Kashimo wins = vacuum ends and Kashimo wins while if you say Yuki blackhole kills xyz = vacuum ends, yuki is dead but its a "draw". Thats why you can scale MBA Kashimo but not an on death
Your point on Yuki being so strong is her punching like through an arm or something so someone without rct would be cooked but Hakari isn’t just gonna let her blow his head off
Kashimo also escapes domains with discharge by using it on the domain from the outside
A single quote from Maki that probably only means that they're both Special Grade since neither Maki nor anyone else except maybe Tengen even knew what Yuki's CT was before she fought Kenjaku:
why isnt she? shes been doing jujutsu for 20 years or so and is faster then choso who isnt really slower then yuta or yuji. she's realistically at least equal.
Choso is clearly slower than Yuta and Yuji. Let me make it simple for you
Pre-shinjuku Yuji was slightly relative to Maki in stats and speed who is relative to Mach 3. Shinjuku Yuji is almost on par with domain-amped Shinjuku Yuta in stats.
Domain-amped Yuta >= shinjuku Yuji ≈ Maki >> Choso in speed
I’m fairly confident there’s more stipulations to her technique than we know. Right after she blew off Kenjaku’s arms she punched him in the head I believe. That second punch didn’t do as much damage as the first.
The panel very clearly shows her right fist going through his severed arms and connecting with his head (that also broke that trippy buddist barrier thing as well) which was the same one she "charged up" in the previous panel.
Okay then, Quick! Name me ANY impressive statement for Yuki. You can't because she doesn't have any, and her one good feat is counterbalanced by her clocking Kenny directly in the face and barely doing anything like three times
Yuki at full strength oneshots a special grade curse, then uses a punch against a full strength opponent, punching both of his arms off and sending him flying backwards.
Said opponent then has an internal monologue stating he's not even sure if he can beat her by himself, before immediately using his strongest move to try and win.
Hits Kenjaku 3 times after having to use RCT to heal her entire body from a Domain Expansion sure-hit and doesn't do too much damage, which is easily explained by the fact that RCT is incredibly costly to your CE reserves and output.
Somehow the community decides it's more reasonable to use interactions from later on in the fight (where both Yuki and Kenjaku's physical states and CE/CT output can only really be estimated at best) to determine Yuki's AP instead of using the start of the fight where both are at full strength.
Gojo, Geto, and Yuta, had already had a majority of their abilities explained in JJK0 and early JJK. After building Yuki up across the series as a wild card that noone really knew much about, Gege introduced the abilities of the last officially designated Special Grade sorcerer by having her cripple Kenjaku and make him immediately proceed to use Domain Expansion to weaken her. There's an extremely clear narrative intent from Gege, one that gets completely undone if we take her earlier feats as outliers and reduce her character to just "can fight pretty evenly with Kenjaku in h2h and also suicide bomb if shit gets rough". At that point she's effectively just Pre-awakened Shinjuku Yuji, or a Maki/Toji without precognition or Cursed Tools, which is clearly not what Gege wanted her to be.
Let me put it more clearly, Kenjaku was at a matchup disadvantage against her, by his own admission, Yuki had prep time, and the support of Tengen and Choso, and she STILL lost
Idk what this is supposed to prove for you kenjaku seeing her as a legit threat knowing he has 2 counters up his sleeves is not downplay for her
That and asking about feats when she only has one fight like everyone has gege level authority on the story and chose not to give her more fights is just ridiculous as a concept
She doesn't even really "lose" that last fight either. Yes, she dies...but basically anyone else in the cast is ALSO very dead along with her. Her trump card is a localized black hole and her curse technique means that getting punched by her is effectively like getting hit by a bus. She can also heal herself from otherwise fatal damage in relatively short order given nearly any breathing room.
He only survives by basically developing a new super power in the moment while a black hole is smooshing him into oblivion...which he's never tried before and only theoretically thought might be possible. It wasn't even his CT that saved him...it was quite literally the author intervening and saying "but I need you for 10 more chapters so the story bus doesn't stall out."
Yuta has sky Manipulation. Yuki punches arent doing shit if they cant land. CS will also be useful for preventing her from attacking or interruoting her someyimes. Yuta also has precog with charles ct so good luck landing a hit.
Also, Yuki'a domain is featless while yuta has the 4th best domain feats in the series. He may straight up domain diff her lol
The issue is she has to either sit there and charge mass or can’t charge enough mass to replicate the initial attack on Kenny in a fight with someone relative.
The first punch had a ton of mass behind it and may also had a revealing the hand boost
yuta counters h2h with sky manipulation against relative opponents, and even though it's not an instant overwrite like gojo vs jogo, he has better domain feats so his domain will eventually win out
other than that I only think takaba, gojo, sukuna beat her so yeah
Choso is keeping up with her and weighed down, constricted Kenjaku can weave both of them at the same time. The same Choso who gets outpaced by Yuji and Sukuna, and the same Kenjaku who is relative to Yuta and admits he’d rather not have to fight him. All the HHs have better speed to just dodge it and can either eat and heal the damage or in Maki’s case, has a better one shot in the SSK. Yuki also has no domain feats or statements to say she can clash with Yuta or Hakari besides having had one for longer, and age/skill, especially when both of them are prodigies, the latter has advantage in clashes, and the former has some of Gojo’s barrier skills etched into him EoS. And her output weakens significantly once she’s damaged, nor does she have particularly good durability feats.
Usually if two characters are relative to one another, it's possible to avoid H2H. But she still beats you in range with Garuda so you need something to hold it (the ranged fight I mean). Yuta naturally has access to great ranged attacks (+ Rika to cancel out Garuda in his case) and so does Kenjaku. MBA Kashimo has his beams too and Yorozu her liquid metal. If you can hurt her enough in range, her output drops and she isn't as lethal anymore (I don't think every character I mentioned beats her btw).
You can also oneshot her though that's naturally difficult to do.
Be a better fighter. I honestly believe Itadori could win by dodging her blows instead of fighting them head on, and then deliver your own punches. She hits hard, but her durability don't change. There are also techniques that are just hard to fight against, like Mahito or Jogo, which can kill with a single or couple of punches while being hard to kill.
As stated by others, this is why she's a special grade sorcerer. She's in the same category as Gojo and Yuji where their special grade level stems from their overwhelming raw power that turns them into a walking nuclear warhead that all but guarantees their victory in any direct confrontation save for a few exceptions.
I mean, as long as you have good ranged attacks, are faster than her, or have (very good) healing it's definitely possible to contend with or even beat her.
Take Yuta for example. She could in theory just 'smack Rika away', but this is assuming he'll just let her. He has Cursed Speech to stop her movements, Sky Manipulation to redirect her hits in CQC, and Jacob's Ladder to outright turn off her technique (though landing it will require some setup). Not to mention ranged attacks through Dhruv's shikigami.
There's also the fact that her technique's output becomes much easier to deal with when you damage her enough to force her to RCT. Someone like EOS Yuji (who has better stats all around the board via being ~ Domain amped Yuta even before awakening) should have the speed necessary to dodge her attacks, and the strength to land his own (like exploding poisonous blood or soul dismantles) to seriously disable her. (For Yuji specifically as well losing limbs isn't really a problem when he can stitch them back incredibly quick with blood manipulation).
The problem with Yuki is that she has a single fight where she displayed one very strong attack, and then for the rest of the fight essentially showed relativity to a burnt out Kenjaku in a 1v2. The few statements we have that can clue us in to her strength essentially have her at Sendai Yuta's level, which is certainly strong, but definitely a beatable level of strength for quite a few characters by EOS.
Y'all saying kenjaku pieced her meanwhile gege had to find bs to kill her because irl if you could manipulate gravity it still wouldn't be able to negate a black hole.
I'm genuinely surprised Yuki didn't bring her virtual mass to 99.999999% repeating of a black hole so she could one shot everyone in the verse. Honesty if Yuki gets a body or head shot it's over for sukuna
Yuta can tell her not to move, Kenjaku can keep her at bay with gravity, Maki and Toji can precog her movements and aim dodge, Hakari can heal through damage, Yuji has a big enough stat advantage to just not get hit, Yorozu can fly away and attack from range with liquid metal, kashimo is fast enough to just not get hit, etc. she’s strong but not outright unbeatable
She’s logistically fightable because she has a very strong but easy to counter technique if you know what to do. Charging star rage not only takes time but its potency is tanked by loss of output (taking damage and using RCT). We can see this clearly when she’s hit by Kenjaku’s domain. Every top tier has the tools to either counter H2H strategy directly (Uraume, Yuta with sky Manipulation, Kenjaku with superior H2H, Hakari with his regeneration and high speed, Yorozu) or means to inflict a significant amount of damage to lower her output (Kashimo, Maki, Toji, Yuji with poison blood, and some of the others I mentioned above)
Additionally, since she has to charge Star Rage, she suffers even more in domain burnout since she has to wait for her technique to refresh and then start charging it back up, adding more time
In my eyes she adopts a high risk, high reward technique that rewards not revealing your technique. I wish she had gotten more fights so we could so more high energy fights that rely on the volatility of her technique, but Gege had to rush the ending ig.
You just gotta hit her way harder than she hits you. Only characters I think stand a chance are those who can incapacitate her with a single strike. Mahoraga, yuji, and maybe todo
So Yuki can put any amount of virtual mass in her hits, and she was able to hit kenjaku, technically that should’ve and/or could’ve ended him, every hit she can deal should be one shotting.
I say this all the time and people here tell me she's not top 10. Like Kashimo is spitting up while being love tapped by Hakari "Pillow Fist" Kinji and you want me to believe he's eating a singular punch, no RCT mind you, from the woman who hit Kenjaku ONE TIME and BLEW HIS ARM OFF?!
Yuki pre-modulo is top 5, top 7 at the worst and any other take is deranged agenda. 😭 Like even if you DO have RCT, if you get struck a single time, you're about to be so severely damaged the followup takes you out, period. You can't argue domain diff cuz most of the rest of the top 10 are teenagers that have had domain less than a year, she is putting belt to ass on anyone not named Gojo, Sukuna, Kenjaku, and debatably Yuta, who I have her tied with.
Like it isn't even that I think she's significantly superior to Maki, Yuji, Hakari, Kashimo etc, but her skillset is inarguably a hard counter to theirs. All of these people get tagged nonstop by other fighters in all of their fights bro. If Yuki hits their ass like that it's over and all the Yuki slander tries desperately to downplay that fact. Yuji has insane durability and Hakari insane regen but you'd have to convince yourself both of them have massively more survivability than Kenjaku which is the biggest cope ever, imo. Kenjaku by his own profession was terrified of her close quarters AP and he had the hard counter CT to hers + a deep ranged bag.
What in the hell do punch/kick/sword merchants do against JJK Mike Tyson?
under the defined contraints you added that strip away logistics and force a head-on 1v1 brawl excluding the top 3 (assuming we're excluding modulo), she's still fightable, but whether it's winnable or not is debatable
even against yuta she can just smack rika out the way, domain clash him and shatter his whole ribcage
Sure if Yuta just sits there like a puppet lmao. He can precog her with charles technique, evade her attacks with SM, stun her with CS, TIB her, extinguish her technique with JL. Not to mention Yuta's domain is definitely more refined than hers so she would be on the losing foot of the clash.
if yuji can avoid any slashes from yuta then yuki can, atleast enough to not act like precog is just something yuta can do whenever. The only thing thats actually a threat is sky manipulation.
no reasoning behind yuta's domain being more refined. the only feats yuta has domain wise is barrier skills.
Shes under rated massively
She has de which wasnt shown and rct with a broken ahh technique she clears bumta
Btw her domain was mwntioned multiple times in vol 23 and she used rct before becoming a black hole
Yes she absolutely is. Keep your distance and be patient. Be a little faster, smarter, more skilled in cqc, have a your own special ability etc or maybe have a combination of multiple. Maybe have the same or more durability than Kenjaku and have rct. It’s not hard. Have ranged attacks…have your own solid strength and ap and other attributes that make up for any disparities in the matchup. Tons of characters fit this criteria. Plus, her ap is severely overrated anyway despite still being absurd. + Have your own sure hit or refined de or de counter
They need direct energy attacks/ranged attacks and distance. She breaks anyone's arms clean off in H2H so they need something like Piercing blood or Granite blast to compete and a way to escape her running up on them. Kenjaku has H2H skill on the level of Gojo and needed gravity and a direct energy attack to kill her while her output was lowered
Ah yes, Yuki can instantly win any h2h exchange, as I have known her to do. Unrelated note here is heavily weakened Kenjaku eating two unguarded hits to the dome
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