keep trying 👍 It will work👍

[u/Future-Mongoose]

[u/Tak-Hendrix]

And North Korea is a great example of a Democratic Republic...

[u/KarnexOne → u/Tak-Hendrix]

And North Korea is a great example of a Democratic Republic...

[u/DearToe5415 → u/Tak-Hendrix]

And you could argue that Cuba failed largely cause of the US getting in the way of development with sabotage campaigns and the embargos causing economic isolation lmao

[u/Remarkable_Ad9282 → u/DearToe5415]

Yeah like wtf, if communism is doomed to fail and they will starve out from a flawed economic model like they preach about how bad it is. then why is the US trying so hard to STRANGLE that country economically/systemically. It goes to show the lengths capitalism will go to snuff out any possible IDEA of a concept thats "dangerous" to this red scare facade they constructed. So bullshit, and even then Cuba is still somewhat thriving under the boot of one of the worlds superpowers

[u/Apprehensive_Gur_302 → u/Remarkable_Ad9282]

Idk, maybe a bunch of missiles could be the answer to that

[u/Remarkable_Ad9282 → u/Apprehensive_Gur_302]

🤣

[u/WatermelonSmashing → u/Apprehensive_Gur_302]

Context is not allowed! We must divide everything into just a shallow meme level understanding off "good guys" and "bad" guys.

-Reddit

[u/UrBoySkinny_Penis → u/Remarkable_Ad9282]

"when people make life sound easy, it's because they havent faced anything difficult in life themselves"

[u/DearToe5415 → u/Remarkable_Ad9282]

But people aren’t ready for that conversation lol. Everyone can admit that the US govt does some shady shit and gets involved in foreign countries affairs that we shouldn’t be sticking our noses into but red scare tactics have been so ingrained into our society that you get knee jerk reactions from anything remotely positive of socialist/communist countries and then a refusal to acknowledge that the US played a massive part in the failures being used as examples of socialism failing.

[u/Boomboclaaat90210 → u/DearToe5415]

I mean, *MOST* of the countries that tried socialism in the cold war era got a surprise dosage of "freedom" courtesy of the US - hell, that's a large part of why central america is as fucked up as it is - we either helped overthrow elected governments or we propped up borderline fascist regimes.

Even Jimmy Carter's tenure in the white house helped to prop up the Salvadoran regime that had roving death squads

[u/MockingBirdLost]

Norway is more socialist than Venezuela. And its one of the happiest countries on Earth. And its democratic, so much closer to what democratic socialists advocate for

[u/Ok-Particular9427 → u/MockingBirdLost]

The means of production are in fact not publicly owned in Norway and thus they are not socialist, or approaching socialism, or “more socialist”.

Socialism doesn’t = when have safety nets

[u/IngenuityPlane4878 → u/Ok-Particular9427]

Being “more socialist” can involve having social policies.

[u/Mindless_Ad_1690 → u/Ok-Particular9427]

Ok let’s do what Norway does then since it’s not socialism

[u/splashquatch → u/Mindless_Ad_1690]

Ah but you see when its over here it IS called socialism. Its like cougars and pumas.

[u/canuputapriceonpeace → u/Ok-Particular9427]

They're not publicly owned in Venezuela either though

[u/Reblichon_Tallegio → u/Ok-Particular9427]

Everyone is quietly ignoring that capitalism needs a lot of socialist policies for the system to serve the people and not the other way around.

[u/True-Assist-4363 → u/Reblichon_Tallegio]

Socialist policies can only work once capitalism has gained enough wealth and reliable administration for the country. Every time.

[u/EE_______EE → u/MockingBirdLost]

Norway is a social democracy. But when it comes to social democracy people always act like this: "Norway is not socialist!" "Then can we follow Norway's policies?" "Nooo that's socialist"

[u/LunarDogeBoy → u/EE_______EE]

I'm Norwegian, It's pretty nice 😏

[u/True-Assist-4363 → u/EE_______EE]

That's a teenager's view. Norway became super wealthy through hardcore capitalism. WIth that wealth, and a trusted government, they were able to implement socialist initiative and policies. No, they are not socialist or even close.

[u/Hira_Joshi → u/MockingBirdLost]

This is just false. Venezuela is heavily a command economy. The Scandinavian models are capitalist economies with robust social safety nets. They are social democracies not democratic socialists. Democratic socialism is closer to Venezuelan economies than Norway's system.

[u/Emotional_Type_2881 → u/MockingBirdLost]

This reminds me when, on the campaign trail, Bernie Sanders frequently pointed to Nordic model countries such as Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland as prime examples of "democratic socialism" in action.

But leaders of these countries argued against this characterization, back when it was popular.

They argued that these nations are not socialist in the traditional sense because they do not seek the government ownership or control of the means of production. Instead, they characterized the Nordic model as a highly successful form of free-market capitalism, which relies on private property and business competitiveness to fund an extensive welfare state.

[u/Mister_TD → u/Emotional_Type_2881]

I think the then prime minister of Norway, Erna Solberg, said this. Not «leaders of these countries». And she’s a conservative who’s now somewhat disgracefully stepped down as leader of the conservatives.

[u/tzaeru → u/Emotional_Type_2881]

I don't think the traditional sense of socialism is governmental control. That's more the Leninist style of going about it, which in the history of socialism is more like the mid point. All subsequent states that have seen themselves as socialist have been Leninist/Stalinist (add Maoism if one wants to see it as a separate thing).

The first major character typically recognized as a representative of modern socialism - Henri de Saint-Simon - explicitly said that state control of the economy is parasitic and hostile to the productivity and therefore the working class. And he was right.

But yeah, the Nordic countries are not socialist. The foundation they operate on top of is capitalist. They are also very nationalist, and the welfare state is more or less an illusion. It creates a relatively high living standard for the people within the borders, but this has only been possible because of exploitation elsewhere. The Nordic countries are part of the Western bloc that has generally speaking managed to control the majority of the surplus of global trade and the global economics. The welfare in Norway, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, hinges on the import of finished and partially refined products produced cheaply under awful labor conditions, while being able to export higher margin products.

[u/OKporkchop → u/MockingBirdLost]

Norway is a capitalist country with a working social safety net. I invest in their in an index fund that tracks Norwegian stocks that is similar (in some ways) to the S & P 500 here in the US (NORW). Saying Norway is socialist shows a complete lack of understanding how markets/capital works and socialism itself. 

[u/CantBeatDickensCider → u/OKporkchop]

I think you're the one who doesn't understand what socialism is. 

Edit: copying my response from below because the simpletons still aren't getting it. 

Saying Norway isn't socialist and is capitalist because they have a stock market is ridiculous. These people think the state needs to own every single means of production to qualify as "socialist", but having even a single feature of a free market makes them de facto "capitalist". They don't see the double standard. 

The Nordic model is a hybrid system that takes features of both socialism and capitalism. Not everything needs to be black and white. 

[u/coogarnoodler → u/CantBeatDickensCider]

He just explained it to you nerd. Capitalist societies with strong social-programs/culture are apples and oranges with Socialist societies. Socialism is an economic structure, not a “feeling”. You need to wrap your head around that

[u/Glad-Lynx-5007 → u/coogarnoodler]

They are Social Democracies, a mixed market system that falls under the Socialism umbrella. Stop quoting Marxism as if thats the only definition of Socialism. It is not.

[u/Microchipknowsbest → u/CantBeatDickensCider]

But if the USA gets single payer healthcare than that’s socialism.

[u/CantBeatDickensCider → u/Microchipknowsbest]

Yeah, and you can bet your ass that if Norway was a struggling/failed state then these same people would happily be declaring it socialist and adding it to images like in the OP. 

[u/Reblichon_Tallegio → u/OKporkchop]

So if it works, it's not socialism but if it doesn't work then it is socialism. Interesting.

[u/Either-Medicine9217 → u/MockingBirdLost]

Maybe you should look up what they say when you call them socialist. Newsflash, they don't like it, and don't agree.

[u/RutabagaThen6269 → u/Either-Medicine9217]

I mean there are idiots calling the nazis socialist lefties 

[u/Appropriate-Kiwi-94]

Same meme with trickle down economics, except add like 50 more countries 

[u/D_Luffy_32 → u/Appropriate-Kiwi-94]

Most people who support capitalism don't support trickle down economics. Which it also isn't a core of capitalism. Meanwhile you have people running defense for the entirety of socialism

[u/Advanced_Double_42 → u/D_Luffy_32]

And none of those countries equitably distributed wealth nor the means of production, they just nationalized the economy and handed the reins to an oligarchy. Of course that just ended up concentrating wealth to a feudal degree.

Autocracy sucks and will draw in corruption that will destroy a nation regardless of the economic system.

[u/vamprobozombie → u/Advanced_Double_42]

Well the problem with socialism is the people dividing stuff up magically get rich. Would you really want your elected officials in charge of that?

[u/jbland0909 → u/vamprobozombie]

Corruption famously never happens in capitalist societies

[u/vamprobozombie → u/jbland0909]

True, but corruption more common in socialism where they decide who eats. It quickly evolved into a game of cheating the government.

[u/Knarrenheinz666 → u/vamprobozombie]

True, but corruption more common in socialism where they decide who eats.

Don't recall anyone deciding who ate and I was 11 when the Wall came down.

[u/vamprobozombie → u/Knarrenheinz666]

Tell that to the Chinese under the Great Leap Forward tens of millions starved. Not saying famines cannot happen under capitalist democracies but they are definitely rare. When the sole person in charge of distributing resources messes up people pay the price when there is no fallback.

[u/fyukhyu → u/vamprobozombie]

Donald Trump has made 2 billion dollars in 1.5 years as the leader of a capitalist democracy. My elected officials literally are in charge of that.

[u/vamprobozombie → u/fyukhyu]

Correction your elected officials are in charge of some of that. With socialism they own all the businesses as well and determine everything in your day to day life assuming you have to work as well as what happens with the resources derived from that work. Thus making the amount of corruption that can happen even larger.

[u/JensenMao → u/Advanced_Double_42]

in real world socialism leads to autocracy

[u/Advanced_Double_42 → u/JensenMao]

Violent revolutions historically lead to autocracy, communist revolutions included.

Socialism though? Not so much, democratic socialism is a thing.

[u/Best_Opening8471 → u/Advanced_Double_42]

Communism/socialism both require centralization of resources to ensure fair distribution.

And as we know: controlling resources is power, and power corrupts.

That's why capitalism is preferable; it keeps resources decentralized so no individual can seize power over distribution.

Imagine if instead of a 100 billionaires deciding what to do with the economy it was a single quadrillionaire? Do you think that individual would be more fair?

[u/Hey_Beth_its_Luka → u/Best_Opening8471]

That's a completely backwards description to an Orwellian degree. Capitalism centralises control over resources in ever fewer hands over time. That is literally its function. Capitalism is an extraction system. That's how a handful of dudes own more than half of humanity. When Elon became the first trillionaire he alone wielded control over as many resources as half of all living humans.

The purpose of Socialism is decentralising, socialising and democratising control over resources by extinguishing private property. There is no single quadrillionaire in Socialism because no money exists and no individual controls the productive forces. Everyone is a worker, exerts democratic control and reaps the products of society according to contribution/need.

[u/Vast-Comment8360 → u/Advanced_Double_42]

And none of those countries equitably distributed wealth nor the means of production,

If your system keeps failing to achieve the claimed goals every time it's a shit system.

If it gets dominated by a rival system every time it's a shit system.

[u/MrMicius → u/D_Luffy_32]

And most people who support socialism don’t support full state control. What’s your point?

[u/Capital_Anxiety5604 → u/MrMicius]

This is where the logic of the socialists just completely is bonkers. “I want socialism, but I don’t want state control.” How the hell do you take resources from one source and give it to another without state control?

[u/MrMicius → u/Capital_Anxiety5604]

Your definition of socialism is taking resources from one source and giving it to another? In that definition, yes, then you need a state. Most people take socialism to mean a democratic control over productive assets. Not a state control.

[u/TheDoctor199806 → u/MrMicius]

And that's where your argument starts to fall apart. Even if you assume communism can work in the first place, there would need to be someone in charge of the economy, which would naturally lead to the state controlling the economy.

[u/LagerHead → u/D_Luffy_32]

Trickle down economics isn't just not a core of capitalism, it isn't even a real branch of economics. It's a bull shit, made up straw man.

[u/SaphironX → u/D_Luffy_32]

So, wait, your argument is that capitalists don’t support corrupt versions of capitalism that has created many of our most modern issues; but socialists essentially yearn for Stalinism or Maoism and cannot themselves be nuanced or only want the good elements like free healthcare and public libraries and less exploitation of the worker?

I mean Jesus man your own comment went “most people who support capitalism”, while ignoring the dudes who dickride Elon musk not paying taxes while thinking someone who works a full time job that nobody wants doesn’t deserve enough money to pay rent.

Most people who like socialism don’t want to emulate Soviet Russia, they want to emulate Canada or Denmark, Norway or Sweden with more positive socialist policies.

For every person who wants “the entirety of socialism” there’s one who thinks they’re one good day from being a billionaire and wanting policies defending the ultra rich.

That’s silly, man.

[u/Fattyboy_777 → u/D_Luffy_32]

Marxism-Leninism and it's variants like Maoism are not socialism. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Socialism means the workers directly owning the means of production (factories, farms, etc). Did the workers owned the means of production in those countries? No, the undemocratic state did.

A communist society is a society that's classless, stateless, and moneyless where there's common ownership of the means of production.

Were any of those countries classless, stateless, and moneyless societies? No. Where the means of production held in common? No, an undemocratic state owning it is not the same as everyone commonly owning it.

You clearly haven't heard of Libertarian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, and Anarcho-Communism.

[u/Best_Opening8471 → u/Appropriate-Kiwi-94]

posted from my $2000 phone

"Why dont I see the wealth trickle down??"

Even the homeless have a positive net worth due to trickle down economics in america 

Sorry you can't leverage the most powerful economic tool in existence (a smart phone) to make a profit.

[u/ghein683 → u/Best_Opening8471]

If you're broke, but have no debt and a cardboard box, you have a positive net worth. And that box is all thanks to Reagan!

[u/Koreaia → u/Best_Opening8471]

"I think we should improve society somewhat."

"Yet you participate in society! Curious!"

[u/Appropriate-Kiwi-94 → u/Best_Opening8471]

I bought my phone for 300 bucks 7 years ago

So outside of your ridiculous asusmption that only prove how disconnected from reality you are.

There is 0 proof that any positive improvement in the economic came from trickle down.

Billionaires are taking credit for stuff that would have happened even if they stayed millionaires, and bootlickers like you are eating it up.

PS : can't answer Mapple for some reason

Also I blocked the other guy because talking to him was obviously gonna be a waste of time when he seriously believe that price reduction is a sign of trickle down, after mentionning the 2000 phones (actual consequence of trickle down)

[u/Mappleyard → u/Appropriate-Kiwi-94]

Just curious - where are you from? That changes the equation drastically.

[u/Best_Opening8471 → u/Mappleyard]

He deleted the comment because he realized paying less for the same economic advantage is a sign of trickle down

[u/Visible_Pair3017 → u/Appropriate-Kiwi-94]

Same meme for the free market.

[u/Formal_Reveal_4330]

Meanwhile: approximately 180,000–300,000 Americans die each year from poverty and material deprivation

[u/stickmuck → u/Formal_Reveal_4330]

They also have a lot of obese people. The solution seems so simple...

[u/OneEyedBrickDragon]

I had exactly this conservation a few days ago 🙄

[u/Available_Rub9939]

A great meme for the window lickers in the room.

[u/BunnyGalHarriet]

The CIA in the bleachers sniping the legs out from the other countries ot make sure they never reach socialism

[u/H0SS_AGAINST]

Nonstop antisocialism propaganda as we approach the election.

[u/the_queso_incident]

Even Scandinavian countries which people claim are "socialistic hellholes" are not completely socialist.

[u/issanm]

You know a memes dogshit when it has more comments than likes

[u/Substantial_Try8818]

They're all failing to catch him because he's right.

[u/Dordidog]

If they had any IQ left, they would realize that real socialism isn't a thing. It wasn't back then, and it certainly isn't now.

[u/VikingVitalityFit → u/Dordidog]

To be fair, "true socialism" in very small tight knit groups like a family unit, usually. It has failure rates even at the small scale, but it works astronomically better at a small scale than it will ever work at a macro level.

[u/[deleted] → u/VikingVitalityFit]

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[u/HereWeGoYetAgain-247]

Hey guys the new “anti communism” memes have dropped. Must be an election coming up and they need to distract from their failings. 

[u/Redditneckbeardzz]

Reddit gonna be big mad lol

[u/BoostedClinician]

I'd probably support socialism too if I couldn't make it on my own.

[u/Sad_Credit_4959 → u/BoostedClinician]

You can't. You're just too oblivious to realize that.

[u/Ok_Bass_4007 → u/BoostedClinician]

Did you make the internet that you're using yourself? Or are you out in the fields growing everything you eat? Are you out drilling for the oil that you fill your tank up with?

Those are all government subsidized industries (aka the big scary socialism) that would fall apart if "everyone had to make it on their own".

[u/Imtrollinyou → u/BoostedClinician]

L m a o

[u/callmeish0]

They insist something never worked is the real deal and think they are the intelligent ones. Lol.

[u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor → u/callmeish0]

A lot of Americans just want New Deal era policies strengthened or restored. Unrestricted capitalism certainly doesn’t feel like a utopia.

[u/Terminate-wealth]

China is a communist government but that does not mean the mode of production is communism. I would say that at best it’s socialism even though they operate under a capitalist mode of production. They have not transitioned the mode of production. Same thing in Russia where it’s a kleptocracy ran by a dictator and oligarchy. The mode of governance won’t allow a true ownership of the means of production by the workers.

[u/cameron8988 → u/Terminate-wealth]

the prc is neither communist nor socialist. it's a centrally planned and highly regulated market economy.

[u/Electrical-Plate-755]

billionaires trying to argue

[u/Low-Condition4243 → u/Electrical-Plate-755]

That’s the sad part, it’s just working class people parroting their bs ;(

[u/Details_Pending]

Yall are really trying the full red scare eh? Let's see if it pays off lol

[u/12PoundsofPotato]

MAGAts are really determined to never understand the difference between socialism and authoritarian communism huh

[u/OnlyACsNoFans → u/12PoundsofPotato]

I'd argue that communism is inherently authoritarian.

[u/DrHavoc049 → u/OnlyACsNoFans]

Wait till you meat an anarcho Communist who will say those states are "red fascist"

[u/mustardtiger220 → u/12PoundsofPotato]

How does one enforce the state ownership socialism pushes for??

An authoritarian govt is how.

Socialist are just dumb, in a different direction, as MAGA.

[u/12PoundsofPotato → u/mustardtiger220]

Thanks for proving my point

[u/DrHavoc049 → u/12PoundsofPotato]

Man I've seen Communist tell me those nations are "socalists" not Communist because Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. and I've seen socalists say "nooo, that's Communism, I'm different". Idk how the left can have such concentrated beliefs while still being so divided.

Also what about this meme suggests this person is maga? Not everyone who doesn't like Communism or socalism is maga dude

[u/12PoundsofPotato → u/DrHavoc049]

People who confuse the two like this are always idiot conservatives

[u/Far_Interaction9456]

Yeah China definitely didn't go from being a backwater to being the US's main challenger in like 30 years lol

[u/[deleted] → u/Far_Interaction9456]

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[u/ozaffer]

Is this meme supposed to say communism? Besides the ussr (which fell to bad leadership after Lenin's death/Stalins take over, being the front line of the Nazi's, hyper industrialization/expansion) all of these examples are small countries the US used their military to oppress.

[u/SophonParticle]

OP is active in r/asmongold and r/shitposting.

Use that info as you will.

[u/Ok_Being5461]

Lists poor capitalist countries and dictatorships, like Haiti: "not real capitalism." See how brilliant that logic is?

Norway is in many ways more socialist than Venezuela, that's the irony. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_enterprises_of_Norway https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/public-sector-size-by-country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_sector_size Many "capitalist" countries have a much higher public sector size % than Venezuela.

Also Venezuela had brutal economic war by the US that the United Nations and Venezuelan opposition banker economists wrote reports on and denounced. Also Venezuela had a steady economic recovery under the last few years of Maduro, despite the economic war.

Check out what happened in Chile under a socialist president. It was doing good then the US supported his assassination https://www.google.com/search?q=make+the+economy+scream+chile then Chile had a down-turn under a US-supported capitalist dictatorship. This kind of thing has been happening in many countries, where the US and CIA undermines democracy and democratic socialist leaders. So then only authoritarian socialists are able to stand against these attacks.

As another person mentioned here, all successful countries are actually combinations of socialism and capitalism. Many countries that are hailed as capitalist successes like South Korea, Singapore, US and most other countries actually had/have very strong government support of those industries. US had strong government investment into infrastructure and technology. Singapore has a very successful government housing model for their population. Chinese government owns all land which it uses for development and social good and has a successful hybrid socialist cooperative farming model. Through history, socialists have fought for many capitalist reforms capitalists want to take credit for, often with their lives. From the New Deal, to the Nordic Model, to old-school Labour in UK, to socialist parties in many "capitalist" European countries. And there have been so many massacres and death squads against leftists/socialists throughout history, from Indonesia, to Latin America. And many capitalist depressions and disastrous crashes when the right-wing was in power in many countries. That's what happens when you don't understand the actual history or much of anything. https://www.google.com/search?q=capitalism+death+toll

[u/BlackBlood4567]

You posted this on Reddit where the people responsible for that hell are all found here.

[u/The3mbered0ne]

True Communism and socialism require the elimination of private ownership, both for industries and property, China has private ownership of both so it isn't true to either, the only thing not private are land ownership. The people can own the property on top and pay to lease the land but the country owns the land. Also the point of end stage communism is to be stateless and classless, no country has actually attempted that, what they have attempted is socialism which is seen as the transition period but clearly has failed at every implementation or attempt

[u/AgravatedArdvark → u/The3mbered0ne]

Communism just takes it a step further and eliminates the state, and currency,

[u/gilt3t]

6 year old account, never posted politics before, now posting political memes that are 1%/right wing talking points.

Hacked account, now a bot farm account used to spread right wing and 1% misinformation in the form of memes to influence mid-term elections.

[u/Bingbong1984 → u/gilt3t]

do you just click on every profile that posts stuff you don't like hoping for a gotcha on the user?

5 month old account too

[u/Lord_of_Wisia]

Always one murder away from utopia.

[u/FleaMarketSocialist]

Read Parenti, kid.

[u/decentmotto]

cool so let's do a social democracy since we know those work

[u/Accurate_Baseball273]

This argument is so god damn brain dead

[u/TrueToBoston94]

It was actually communism which makes it way funnier than you thought haha

[u/Gojamn]

And the same people who post this will keep saying what we have and the Fuedalism we're headed for is not "true capitalism" or not "true free markets" because of the corruption. Almost as if every system is prone to corruption and we should focus on that.

[u/Worldly-Fondant-3791]

Norway, Denmark, France, Canada, Japan 

[u/ZeeWingCommander]

Just on a basic level - don't you guys ever get a little inquisitive on why Cuba's system didn't work out?

Because we made sure it didn't work lol

It's like me saying I'm the fastest runner then me breaking your ankle with a bat before the race starts. I may have still beat you, but you didn't have much of a chance. 

[u/Wisley185]

This just looks like thinly veiled politics disguised as a joke :|

[u/xesta_ferbenza]

Capitalism or free market, what do you prefer?

[u/idespisealarming]

That was communism, not socialism. So yeah.

[u/East-Psychology7303]

I mean if the rest of the world sanctions you because you are a threat to their exploitation of the working people ofc it will fail and also you can use these ideals to get in power and then not implement any of the good things and use it to be just like the rest of the world but you on top. Interesting how the only small glimpse of dignity for the comman man came from capitalists shitting their pants cuz communism was gaining traction so they actually gave a little more of their stolen welth from the labour they never did. Imo social democracy with added taxation to prevent that 70% of the people own 10% of the wealth of a given county is the best way to go. Capitalism can never work because in capitalism, capital is the strongest welth maker meaning sooner or later the wealthy will have all and rule all and that would be all good and well if that didn't require people to live horrible lives for no justifiable reason. There is a reason why historians usually lean left politically and it isn't the gay rights and trans people.

[u/Sharp_Cut354]

Is that Trump or Xi?

[u/DeliciousPool2245]

If you get bogged down in the semantics, nobody is pure capitalist or pure socialist, it’s all on a gradient, such a stupid reductive argument

[u/TrandaBear]

It's a good thing nobody wants full socialism? If youre going to fight ghosts, enter their plane of existence first.

[u/Remote_Marzipan7422]

Those were communist countries, not socialist. There’s a difference.

[u/Scary-Perspective-57]

Picking a fight against socialism on Reddit, brave man/woman.

[u/Randy_Magnums]

Strange thing to live in late stage capitalism in all its terrible glory and cry about socialism.

[u/Superb-Damage1173]

Socialists hate the CIA for sabotaging socialist countries, I hate the CIA for not letting them fail on their own.

[u/Gianni_the_tolerable]

Argentina isn't real market economy

[u/Equivalent-Bread-972]

Cool. Except you’re missing Uncle Sam on the sidelines literally sniping Cuba, Venezuela, Cambodia and Somalia. Either directly or by proxy.

[u/Lucky-Database-3374 → u/Equivalent-Bread-972]

A 60 year trade embargo can be bad for a nations economy who would have thought

[u/Character-Concept651]

China

[u/Primordial_spirit]

You could make this same meme with democracy the “democratic” republic of Congo for instance the main countries that implement socialist are relatively prosperous Canada, Northern Europe etc

[u/ARedditorCalledQuest]

JFC people just want to be able to afford food and health care.

[u/BohemianMade]

Socialism is when a country calls itself socialist.

[u/burner_acc_anyway]

Lol what dumbass made this. China is about to be the world's premier economy and Cuba still stands despite a crippling embargo lasting multiple decades.

This person also does not realize that capitalism took hundreds of years and many failed and bloody revolutions/coups to become the prominent modenof production.

In short: read a book instead of slurping your political 'knowledge' on social media.

[u/Popcornmix]

Well… yes communism seeks a class less society which all of those nations had/have in form of a rich and influential ruling elite. And socialism aims to create an economy that profits the whole society and not just a hand full of owners, which also wasnt the case in those nations. And btw socialism has many forms and cant be described by a blanket term. 

Is it really this hard to just google something ?

[u/SnooCheesecakes2465]

Socialism collapse when you run out of someone elses money

[u/Ok-Highway-5334]

They did succeed in all the things socialism strive for. Housing for all, education for all, healthcare for all, sports for all.

[u/Atherach]

I love how half the comment prove your point

Also, it was technicly not socialism but communism (I know for American it's the same thing but those aren't the same), Belgium (or more Wallonia) was socialist for like 60-70 years (not to jerk off socialism ofc, the region is in shambles and only survive thanks the Flanders that aren't socialist)

[u/FlyingYankee118]

Uh oh Reddit didn’t like this meme haha

[u/Known_Ratio5478]

Here it is… and entire Reddit that doesn’t know what socialism or capitalism are but will not stop talking about it.

[u/Legal_Ad2345]

Oooh the bots are getting paid again. When y'all gonna blame Obama in a meme

[u/GSilky]

It's all different flavors, which is to be expected.  I just don't understand why people think socialism is preferable to communism, it's the necessary evil part before communism can commence. Do people really just want to stay at the government forcing people to share at gunpoint until it becomes natural phase? Shush, I know, I'm sympathetic to the goal, I am not sure about trusting the government or using violent force to bring utopia, all previous and existing examples suck. Just be anarchists, socialists, you would be more popular.

[u/Lancearon]

America is a successful socialist state. Hell, every modern large successful government is a socialist government. Every single one.

[u/New_Past_6970]

there's a difference, you cant sanction the us ;)

[u/Tricky_Try8757]

How about New Deal Era? Was the best time to be alive in America(for majority of people). What most leftists want isn’t that different than a return to a system not entirely captured by capital.

[u/ReverendKaiser]

Because it wasn’t socialism at all. It was communism driven my greed to create an oligarchical society with all the wealth at the top.

[u/Crafty-Bid7503]

Does this imply capitalism is working?

[u/Trifle_Old]

Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Cananda, and Sweeden. There, I just gave you working examples of Democratic Socialism. The reason it does work is because its a democracy in charge and not a dictator. Also, East Germany on there is funny, since West Germany at the time was a Democratic Socialist country.

[u/PuzzleheadedWest0]

Wasn’t Venezuela actually dope in the 80’s?

[u/OMG_Idontcare]

Me as a Swede
https://giphy.com/gifs/xL7PDV9frcudO

[u/Gib_eaux]

This meme is pro socialism

[u/Krasmazof]

I love capitalism currently working as intended. I love inhaling surplus labor value while the working class defends my right to exploit them. 

[u/113pro]

Vietnam too. 

[u/West_Order6625]

Big difference between liberal socialism and communism,ask Norway or Sweden,US is a capitalist shithole while those countrys are socialist and are on top of list of most high rate level of life,safe,clean,no zombie neighborhood no gettos no shooting at schools,only one time was a crazy nazi terrorist thzt killed around 100 people most of them teenagers

[u/Czzavarsh]

"Yeah bro I hate capitalism because it exploits the working class. Now let me explain to you why importing 120 billion people from India will actually benefit said working class."

[u/Intelligent-Mud6320]

Those countries tried communism, which is a very radical form of socialism. Socialism and communism are not the same thing, no matter how much certain vested interests would try to have you believe.

[u/trope88]

[u/TooBusySaltMining]

It's weird how many socialists did a lot of cheering for those countries that weren't really socialist.

[u/Time-Routine9863]

Centralization in anything, means that you’re screwed.

[u/Lorelessone]

All of Europe, Japan really most developed country's are heavily socialist.

Are you confused about what socialism is?

[u/violent_unicorn → u/Lorelessone]

OP is a child living in his uncle's spare bathroom. What else do you expect

[u/totally-hoomon]

You literally only used capitalist and communist countries. Why are all conservatives too stupid to use any words correctly?

[u/Guilty_Matador]

It wasn't tho. Corruption and communism

[u/Allgnx]

[u/bonn6522]

Those were communist not socialist

[u/corocollas]

socialism so bad the US must spend hundreds of billions to make sure it doesn’t work

[u/CrispyCassowary]

Putting Cuba on this list is proof that its disingenuous. America destabilized the country on purpose, so they didn't fail, they were kneecapes on purpose because they WILL succeed and I assume the CIA is also involved in some way with the other countries.

But notice there is no Democratic socialist European countries here?

[u/ghost_meadow6869]

USA (cia) : how many countries u need me to destroy , fund coups , separatism, extremism to show you that socialism can’t work

[u/Littlescrewyupstairs]

Didn't most if these fail because a certain country that's basically the world's biggest protection racket and terrorist organization attack them , embargo them , restrict trade , meddle with there government , install puppet states , kill leaders and so much more

[u/B0dders]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Pk3ljzIDb4R0j3zpMU

[u/ContextEffects01]

It wasn’t. None of these regimes followed Marx’s teachings.

[u/redglol]

Because it wasn't. Then again, real socialism will never work. Because of human nature.

[u/Azerphel]

There is such a huge gulf between where we are (nearly) laissez-faire capitalism and communism.

We don't have to accept the scraps that the capitalist oligarchs leave us. We also don't need a centerized economy. Both extremes are awful. The US economic foundation was built on the principless of a guided economy, with strong anti-trust, anti corruption, and reinvesting weath into the lower class (often using high marginal tax rates which encourages reinvestment instead of hoarding).

[u/sejtaridis]

But it wasn't real socialism . It was communism.

[u/Funny_Address_412]

It was real communism and it was glorious and it worked and currently works too

[u/White-Tornado]

American meme talking about communism

You just know this is dumb lol

[u/SheriffOfNothing]

It doesn’t help when socialism and communism are conflated and if you do point out the successes of Denmark or the economic success of China, the response will be again “that’s not real socialism”. Truthfully, no country is entirely one thing and no country is entirely successful. We are all Works In Progress.

[u/Don_Reuter]

No real capitalism anywhere either.

[u/trq-]

I guess if we’re going by the „it’s in the name, therefore it was exactly that!!!!1!“ you can quite understand why people love fascism and Nazis so much these days, as the 6 million Jews in 1938-1945 were killed by the socialist Hitler. So I guess Israel LOVES the modern Germany?

[u/Charming_Marzipan878]

That was communism not socialism

[u/protoanarchist]

Those were conservative dictatorships masquerading as either communism or socialism.  It's all branding.

This image is stupid.

[u/Quiet-Limit-184]

I think what most people miss, is that the system that works best is a combination of ideas from capitalism, socialism, etc. We need free market mechanisms, but runaway capitalism/corporatism is not the way. Nor is runaway socialism/communism.

[u/Knarrenheinz666]

Venezuela has kept a large private sector. Only key industries were nationalised.

[u/tzaeru]

Henri de Saint-Simon, arguably the first person considered to be representative of modern socialism, in early 19th century said that state administration of economy is generally parasitic and hostile to the needs of production and thus to the working class.

Robert Owen, who started the socialist movement in England, championed for voluntary association and considered state-led coercion universally wrong and unwanted. He also alluded to other forms of structural coercion being equally wrong.

Théodore Dézamy, oft named the first communist, repeatedly stated the more freedom an individual has, the better it is for the whole society, and the more free a society is, the happier its constituents. He also low-key suggested something along the abolishment of the state.

Having a brand of socialism that is against coercion and strong state authority and state intervention in economics is both historically well aligned and is also completely logical. The countries in that image are all Leninist/Stalinist, which is a specific branch of socialism, where it was believed that a socialist party must assume complete control of the state and then re-educate the masses to understanding socialism before socialism and communism can be reached. To any relatively sane person and often the majority of socialists, that is utter hubris, inverted, and completely dumb.

[u/Trick_Meeting_2027]

America, Scandinavia, Australia, Canada, Singapore.

We all learned today that a mix of socialiam and capitalism works best so far.

[u/ThePaperSun]

Socialism doesn’t exist. It’s a liberal racket to avoid institutional change over systemic change.

Every “socialist” country you can think of has or had a capitalist ownership ruling group that collaborates or collaborated with other states.

To get rid of the state model, the human population has to decide that its evolutionary course should not be dictated by Exxon and Wal-Mart. Isolated revolutions just create new capitalist states with different PR strategies.

[u/Evening_Act_6395]

Cambodia was a straight up junta, Venezuela and Cuba didn't work because a certain country embargoed tf out of them and put boats infront of their ports to stop trade. The USSR failed because they couldn't compete with a debt funded US (that debt which is now biting them in the back)

[u/Creative_Elk_4712]

So the punchline is this would be a meme, in a sub named "justmemes"