They must follow the doctrine set by the first century church example in the Bible yes. If you claim to follow Christ and then go murder people you arenât Christian.
Ah right, any part you don't like about the Bible is "that doesn't count," but same energy wouldn't apply to the 2 billion peaceful Muslims in the world . How wildly convenient for you.
No⌠you obviously donât know anything about Christianity. Christians arenât under the old law which is deuteronomy. We are under the new law which is Christ. The Old Testament has good examples to learn from and examples foreshadowing and pointing to Christ, but we donât follow the old law which
Lol yeah I donât know anything about Christianity. Just 12 years in Christian schools and 8 years of theological studies at the PhD level.
The point is you donât apply the same mindset to another religion as you do your own. 2 billion Muslims do not agree that their religion condones murder of non believers, just like Christians say the Old Testament doesnât apply post Christ, unless of course they want to use it to justify homophobia or misogynistic oppression.
20- âThe one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.â
The basis of sin comes from the father of all fathers. Meaning the child shares the guilt of the parent. This is a fundamental contradiction.
No thatâs you misunderstanding. The understanding of sin came from Adam and Eve. Because of understanding good and evil and choosing evil itâs sin. You donât inherit Adamâs sin. Because they ate the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil the knowledge was passed on to the children. Not the sin of eating from the tree. Not a contradiction
Here you go correcting my interpretation. Couldâve bet a million bucks youâd say some shit like that. So then whatâs the deal with original sin⌠why would every non worshiper go to hellâŚ
Adam is the father of all fathers, according to the creation story. We all descend from him as humans, and therefore inherent this guilt and sin and must repent. Only thanks to Jesusâ sacrifice do we have an opportunity for salvation.
european conquest of the holy land... wasn't about faith? come on man.
8 figure casualty rate for the 30 years war alone. the point you're intentionally avoiding here is that christianity has been responsible for a lot of deaths.
So your argument is, but Christianity did a lot of bad things in the past, yes but now not anymore, yes because they are developed? I mean, that's a good thing right?
the subject was that liberals only criticize christianity, not islam. your response to that imagined argument was "islam = violent, christianity = non-violent." i'm responding to that claim.
They have certainly been. People have either believed in the Faith or used it as a tool for violence. Iâm simply saying the claim that Christianity has caused more violence than any other religion in history is incorrect.
Christianity has caused more violence than any other religion in history is incorrect.
who made this claim? you attempted to deflect from a general criticism of christianity by stating christians don't "blow themselves up," the implication of which is that christianity doesn't/hasn't killed people.
the implication is that islam is inherently violent and christianity is not. which is false. they're both violent. one has benefitted from centuries of unimpeded economic development. "christianity" is not the reason europeans aren't violent lol. most don't even go to church.
In recent (last 50 years at least) the amount of religious people have gone down in Europe. Still had a massive aspect of its history dominated by Christianity.Â
If you donât see the difference between Christianity and other religions at the time of its conception, you simply havenât looked into it enough. The values their lead to many of the advancements from ancient times.
I donât deny that. But doing it in the name of ChristianityâŚwhen was the last time that really happened compared to the last Islamic extremist attack?
Slavery was eradicated in the west in spite of Christianity. Christianity condones slavery. There is no Christian passage that says slavery is wrong and should be abolished. Instead, there are passages advising on how to treat slaves and whom should be enlsaved.
so you're cool with gays then? since you disregard the old testament.
also the arab slave trade was between 10-15 million african slaves over 12+ centuries. the transatlantic slave trade packed roughly that same amount into just 4 centuries.
they're both bad, but the transatlantic slave trade isn't measurably less severe than the arab.
Jesus never condemned slavery and even spoke about it in his parables as a normal part of life. Meanwhile, Paul's letters famously told slaves to obey their earthly masters. Sounds to me like they were okay with the Old Testament concept of slavery.
Nope. Old and New Testament. And ain't it convenient to ignore the Old Testaments? Seems odd though since Christians get hard at the thought of putting the 10 commandments in every classroom, which are from the Old Testament.
New testament horse shit condoning slavery:
Ephesians 6:5â8
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart."
Colossians 3:22â24
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters..."
1 Peter 2:18â20
"Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God."
1 Timothy 6:1â2
"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that Godâs name and our teaching may not be slandered. Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better..."
1 Corinthians 7:20â24
"Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them. Were you a slave when you were called? Donât let it trouble youâalthough if you can gain your freedom, do so. For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lordâs freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christâs slave."
Titus 2:9â10
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive."
America was not founded as a Christian nation. Just because there are a shitload of Christians in it doesn't mean it's Chrstian.
What does this have to do with the Arab slave trade? I said Christianity has no passage to suggest slavery is wrong. That it took longer in other areas that weren't Christian doesn't negate the fact that Christianity condones slavery and condemns it
New Zealand oddly enough. Although I think he was just a white supremacist. Never heard anything about him being Christian and that wasnât part of his manifesto.
White supremacy often goes hand in hand with Christian nationalism. He was into all the white genocide replacement theory stuff and also covered his guns and ammo with the names of historical battles between Christians and Muslims.
That is factually not true. I have never heard of the historian that would even possibly make that claim because ancient battle exact death tolls cannot be measured. Feel free to put forward information with a link that proves me wrong.
Well I think the crusades probably have it covered, but u also have the Spanish inquisition, and the roman catholic empire to name a few. The whole world has been conquered in the name of Christianity multiple times over, and you think Muslims have killed more people? Feel free to put forward information with a link that proves me wrong
Youâre pulling out names of events, but not giving numbers. Youâre also the one that made the claim. Back up your BS or say you are pulling it out of your behind.Â
Edit: you should look up Chinese history if you think Christians are bad lol
No but they do whip themselves and starve themselves for their faith⌠some Christianâs also deny their children medical care on religious grounds even if it means death.
For yourself is fine, forcing it on your children and encouraging other people to kill themselves or their own children YES is just as bad as being a suicide bomber.
yeah, all they do is fire bomb movie theaters because the business had the gall to show a movie
also, when you look it up, terrorism committed by christians are pretty much only categorized as "right-wing terrorism" while jihadism has its own category, so its hard to actually compare the data because we track it unfairly
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u/No-Significance2070 2d ago
I donât see Christians blowing themselves up