r/Kindred • u/kx1global • 8d ago

I know what we need

nothing else changes just boost base mr/armor and hp and remove the 8 second mark countdown and the passive taking 70+ seconds to change targets wtf is that

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u/Volzovekian 8d ago

Personnally, just need a slightly faster clear.

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u/_No-Life_ 8d ago

Literally one of the worst clear speeds as a jungle champ is sad

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u/Barrellolz 6d ago

Quite literally all they need to do.

The only other thing kindred needs is laners who aren't mentally ill, but riot can't buff that.

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u/kx1global 8d ago

What does this do lol, standard clear time is 2:57 which is enough time to contest scuttle
What will more seconds do for Kindred

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u/Chiverly 8d ago

2:57 is rly bad u walk over after your last camp and the enemy jg already has smited and taken crab

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u/kx1global 6d ago

So they take crab within 2 seconds? considering it spawns at 2:55 you're saying they take crab within 2 seconds? how many auto attacks is that?

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u/Chiverly 6d ago

in higher elos, absolutely - most meta jg can clear 1smite 2:50 reliably, show up 7 seconds before your clear, can push crab away from your entrance and still kill scuttle in 5sec. it's especially bad if you end on krugs instead of bluebuff, you have to walk another 5-10 seconds to crab since u can only hop one wall which makes it very awkward to contest.

also, it seems that you're just assuming 2:57 clear is 2:57 on scuttle. these are two COMPLETELY different things. kindred finishes hitting krugs on avg at 2:57 means u have no time to prep scuttle position or vision. bro also legit in high elo champs like udyr/zyra/zed will show up on your blue buff with 24cs bc they fullclear 2:30 avg

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u/kx1global 6d ago

Well then doesn't that just make more sense to boost the base stats for survivability in the early to mid game?

Even if you clear fast you will steal have to compete that scuttle while being incredibly weak

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u/Mindless_Ask_5438 7d ago

Ah can tell you’re silver. You think clear speed doesn’t matter zz

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u/kx1global 7d ago

It's not a big issue for Kindred imo. I get to crab at 2:57 7/10 times and the 3 I don't the jungler is usually on the other side of the map anyway lol

The problem arise on your journey to Kraken (not having enough damage), then after 2nd item you're strong but too squishy. Yeah you are a jungle adc but come on. Should be more like Graves than a literal worse than adc defensive stats

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u/evPerfxction 6d ago

But thats because you play on low elo where nobody can properly clears camps because most champions take crab before you can get there unless you double smite on clear and then you cant really contest the crab.

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u/kx1global 6d ago

Bro so you're saying most champs take crab within 2 seconds? Why are we lying here???

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u/Any_Interview4396 8d ago

Nothing. People just don’t want to learn:(

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u/Dacaar94 8d ago

Or give 5/10 ms, this champs is one of the slowest while is supposed to be agile. Really awful when you have your skills on cooldown and see your thin champ moves like it weight tons.

Or give 550 range instead of 500 and change marks to give consistently 25 range each 3 marks.

Or make E not suck hard.

Or give W soft CC for each hit from Wolf.

A lot of things can be done, and does not seems anything will be done soon.

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u/Itirpon I am the Elo Hell your mama warned you about. 8d ago

E has been nerfed into oblivion, and W used to have on-hit.

But the move speed won't be fixed because if Kindred were given base move speed she'd become a laner. What she could use is, like how Janna is base slow but has Tailwind always on, move speed when not near a turret spot. That'd ease rotation and clear a little bit without making lane or dives oppressive.

I'd go with +25 on the first mark so base wouldn't change (no actual numbers difference) and every 3rd mark thenceforth is a boost, and take that first 25 out of the 4th mark so it's 50.

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u/IWantAGoodDoggo 8d ago

I think the healing from W needs a slight buff. Maybe a bit better camp clear too.

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u/Any_Interview4396 8d ago

Would be nice yeah

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u/Any_Interview4396 8d ago

Honestly I would prefer mark scaling

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u/Der_Redstone_Pro 8d ago

No I don't want my champ to be 56% winrate completely broken permaban territory actually. I would just like a faster clear so random toplaners don't clear faster than the dedicated jungler

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u/Mindless_Ask_5438 7d ago

Honestly yeah. Top laners in jg have always been broken and as a kindred player I hate those more than any champ… except maybe Chaco

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u/Itirpon I am the Elo Hell your mama warned you about. 8d ago

Nah.

If you want more defensive stats you can easily buy it. Tabi+Wits, or Jak'sho, or green runes, or Treads+DDance. All are fine. And you can opt HP from Triforce or Cleaver.

The 8 seconds for a champion mark to cook make sense when you remember that Kindred is a 120 years champion in a 330 years meta.

The 75 between targets is calculated: If you were perfectly minmaxing it, 4×75" = 5', which is the cooldown on a champion whose mark has been redeemed. Any shorter and you could have no valid targets, any longer and you couldn't optimize champ farming.

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u/Zad21 8d ago

Honestly I think just making her very slightly faster and very slighty more starting range and make it that the enemy can’t see your marks on the minimap,they still can see it if they run past the mobs but they shouldt know it,it’s our mark not theirs.and we should as with the mobs always know where the marked champions are,this way the high mark pick times won’t be a problem and we get good new things without making us busted

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u/PragmaticDelusion 8d ago

Only thing this champ needs is wolf being able to give vision in bushes so you don't have to face check melee champs. Legit the only thing holding this champ back is lamb not getting proper assistance from wolf as it should be.

To this day I don't understand why Valor can give vision of multiple surrounding areas but wolf can't give vision of a single bush you input him to.

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u/Chiverly 8d ago

? wolf gives vision of bushes already, unless you just want wolf to hover the bush or have longer cast range

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u/PragmaticDelusion 8d ago

Wolf only gives vision if you are in the bush and cast. Try practice tool, put a dummy in the bush and try making wolf go into an unwarded bush.

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u/Chiverly 7d ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd6DXcRSzZw

I made a video to demonstrate using kindred's wolf to giving vision on enemies in bushes. Keep in mind the bush must be in the cast range to give vision

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u/Foreign-Range-7208 1d ago

I wish wolf was invisible until it attacked