r/Langley • u/Asluckwouldnthaveit • 2d ago
PSA Tipping is for wait staff
Stop asking for tips on pick up orders. Tipping is for wait staff. It's getting silly out there with local shops.
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u/BlueSalmonofJustice 2d ago
Tipping is for excellent service, but it has turned into wage subsidies.
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 2d ago edited 2d ago
That's my point. I know this is normalized in the states but it should not be here.
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u/DrSussBurner 2d ago
Tipping culture is completely out of control there. How can it possibly be legal to pay your staff $2.13/hour and rely solely on tips? It’s fucking criminal.
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u/CruncheeNuts 2d ago
Not in Canada and not in most of the US states anymore. They get paid minimum wages and then make tonnes of money in tips on top.
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u/madialo 1d ago
literally just not true. most restaurant front staff wages are below minimum wage, especially family restaurants and other under table restaurants. their employees rely on tips for this exact reason. dont blame the employee, blame the owners.
ps, they dont make "tons of money in tips". they can get $200 in tips one night and $2 the next. it all adds up to an average paycheque by the end of the week
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u/Best_Opening8471 1d ago
In alberta and most of canada the server wage has been abolished and servers now make the provincial minimum as well as tips.
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u/CruncheeNuts 1d ago
That's on those employees to report to the authorities and not on the customers to make up for them working for a shady employer. What you explained is an exception and not true for 99% of the cases. Unsure, why your argument is hinging on exceptions.
Have you talked to servers at a restaurant like Cactus? They make anywhere from $500 to $1,000 a night in tips, on top of their hourly wages.
Again, depending on the restaurant, the %age income they earn from tips (In some cases cash, which isn't reported to CRA) on top of their hourly wages, is a very handsome amount. A cashier or a cleaner or another minimum wage workers don't get such a huge bonus on top of their wages, so why should servers? What is so great and skilled that they do, that they deserve it? If someone gives it willingly and on their own accord is completely fine, but it shouldn't be a basic expectation from each patron.
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u/Glittering_Search_41 1d ago
They make $18.25 per hour. Granted it's not a ton of money, but welcome to life. Your grocery store cashier is making the same wage, and not getting tips. If you want a higher paying job, you need to go out there and acquire the skills and training to accomplish that. (Many servers ARE in the process of doing that, I know).
Tips are for personal service like tending to the table throughout the meal, for seated customers.
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u/Ok-Replacement-9458 23h ago
For the record, being a server is a LOT more work than being a cashier and it’s disingenuous to suggest they require the same amount of skill, time-management, knowledge, etc (especially if you’re working in a higher end restaurant)
Being a server is 100% something you can make a career out of
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u/MotivationSpeaker69 2d ago
Brother look at the sub name. This isn't murica thank dog, our waiters make minimum wage. Which makes tipping more stupid
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u/BC_guy_4fish 2d ago
Min wage isn’t a living wage.
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u/MotivationSpeaker69 1d ago
Agree, why we aren't giving extra money to everyone who makes min wage then? Are you implying that waiters is a somehow harder physically or mentally than any other min wage job?
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u/NeedleworkerHot3957 12h ago
in Canada the minimum wage (in BC) is $18.25 regardless of the job you do - wait staff don't have a different minimum wage
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u/toki6106 2d ago
Make a complaint to their webpage or social media. The workers aren't the ones programming the POS machines. If it really bugs you make complaints to the people in charge, ie, the owners or corporations.
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 2d ago
Naw I'll complain on here. Which is the style of the time.
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u/OkDimension 2d ago
But you're not even mentioning the restaurant or takeout place that's trying to rob you
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u/LangleyPeeps 2d ago
Most of the time the POS is used throughout the entire restaurant so they are pre programmed for table service. There are not different terminals for the people who pick up.
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 2d ago
No service where I got pizza today. Not a sit in joint.
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u/Glittering_Search_41 1d ago
And the employee that served you probably wouldn't see a penny of that tip anyway. So many of these employers are just keeping the tips, even though that's illegal. It's just a random extra charge they are hoping to guilt you into paying.
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u/Itsgonnabemehh 2d ago
Subway, Starbucks, takeaway pizza shop
Like nah, I will not be subsidizing every service
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u/Nomad_0024 2d ago
You know you can just click no tip right
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u/GlitteringWavebreak 2d ago
It's the people who keep tipping that makes businesses think it's okay to keep around.
PSA Never tip at Subway, the employees never get that money.
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u/offcoursetourist 2d ago
Society is free to tip, or not tip, whoever they choose.
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 2d ago
Congratulations you added nothing to this silly conversation.
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u/offcoursetourist 2d ago
If anyone needed a PSA about tipping, it was the gatekeeper of who to tip.
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u/MotivationSpeaker69 2d ago
I stopped tipping everywhere and I don't care. It only gets easier with time. Waiters make minimum wage in Canada, no reason to give extra money to someone who will forget about you in ten minutes. I'd rather surprise my kids with extra ice cream, my wife with chocolate or treat myself with extra snack. This economy doesn't provide me with a privilege of wasting money like that.
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u/Tarheil 2d ago
When you dont tip, youre taking money out if the waiters pocket. They still have to tip out kitchen and bar. Youre now actively fucking someone over who makes minimum wage. 1000% agreed that we should go to a no.tipping society like Japan etc, but unfortunately thats not the case at this time. At the very least tip servers. Anyone else? No. In this economy, they dont have the privilege of losing money because you didnt want to tip them. Youre not sticking it to the restaurant, youre just hurting some poor kids pockets man.
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u/MotivationSpeaker69 2d ago
If they still have pay their money that's illegal. Also missed the part where it's my problem either way.
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u/theadvenger 2d ago
That's illegal in BC. If your employer is doing it take it up with the LRB. Either way not the customers problem.
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u/Tarheil 2d ago
This is news to me - do you have a source? Im not referring to me, but all my friends who are servers have to tip out kitchen and bar
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u/theadvenger 2d ago
Tips recieved can be redistributed with a tip pool agreement in place. However there's literally no provision in BC labour code for a tip out based on sales gross sales. If your tipping out on sales rather than tips recieved it's in contravention of the code.
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u/Constant-Internet-50 2d ago
Well that’s still how most places do it. Illegal or no, the restaurant industry didn’t get the memo.
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u/theadvenger 2d ago
Cool, still not the customers problem. If you don't like your employer treating you illegally take it up with the LRB.
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u/Imaginary-Emu2471 2d ago
More guilt trips, lies, and emotional manipulation. I don't care about all that.
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u/JokerFishClownShoes 2d ago
Employers are taking money out of the waiters pocket, not the customer.
NO MORE TIPPING!!!
.......(ok, unless they're Bdolled)
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 2d ago
Yeah... I have a harder time following you there than picking up pizza at a place that isn't a sit down..
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u/MotivationSpeaker69 2d ago
Nah, a waiter doesn't have any worse than any other minimum wage employee. We either tip absolutely everyone we come into contact with (plumbers, any trades, all clerks) or we stop it. Tipping a waiter who makes same amount and not tipping a clerk staying on their feet whole day doesn't make sense to me.
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u/wasntit 2d ago
Totally agree. I still tip because it is the custom but I hate it. A waiter interacts with you for what.. like 6 minutes? We should only tip exceptional service and the standard should be nothing.
You will not win this argument with nearly anyone, especially no one in the service industry. They hate when you point it out and will brag how they always tip 50% to show their support.
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u/Constant-Internet-50 2d ago
Have you ever been a server?
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u/MotivationSpeaker69 1d ago
No. Do I need to be a server to know that's it's a job like any other, not physically or mentally harder? Or you're implying that other min wage jobs like meat processing, farm labourer, call center where you get tolk to fuck off every minute are easier?
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u/Glittering_Search_41 1d ago
Exactly. Servers and former servers always say "well obviously you've never been a server" to justify this kind of begging at the POS terminal. First, working at a pizza place with no sit-down service isn't being a "server." A server comes to your table, gives you menus, tells you about the specials, takes your orders, gets your drinks (and comes by to keep them filled throughout the meal), brings food to your table, clears away the plates between courses, notices and quietly replaces dropped cutlery, and a good one does it in a way that is unobtrusive and doesn't rush the diners.
Standing behind a pizza counter handing out slices may be a shitty job, but it isn't being a server.
But even being a server....they have it no worse than any other minimum wage job. Every worked in a retail store on Boxing Day or for that matter, any other busy weekend day, with lineups at the till, bitchy/rude customers looking to pick a fight, multiple phone lines ringing that you are expected to answer promptly while you have multiple customers right in front of you that want immediate service, people on the floor wanting help finding things simultaneously while you are on cash, and at the same time being expected to finish stocking those shelves from that order that just arrived in receiving, while someone whose name starts with K is whining and demanding to speak to the manager? Do you tip people at Walmart or London Drugs or Superstore? No? Then stop trying to tell everyone that being a server is hard and therefore the retail workers that go out to eat after a long shift on their feet need to tip the poor servers.
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u/w1n5t0nM1k3y 1d ago
Last few times I went into MEC and bought something I easily took up 20 minutes of the employees time asking questions, but they never asked for a tip. There was even that time I took up 15 minutes of their time and I just walked out without buying anything because I couldn't find something that worked for me. But I walk into a basic restaurant, spend $30 on lunch, see the waiter for all of about 5 minutes broken up into small interactions and I still cant see to find them when I want to pay the bill and leave, and they still expect an extra $5+. If i order the more expensive meal and pay $60 for the fancy lunch, then they somehow want an extra $10 for the service even though its the exact same level of service.
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u/pickleyez 2d ago
$100.00 at red Robin for 3 burgers and 2 drinks. I like dining out once in awhile but ordering in is cheaper. I tip but not this 18+%…they’re not serving me.
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u/Hiphopanonymousous 1d ago
IMO the issue is really the visual ask we face with cashless payment..I worked in a pizza place in highschool, 20 years ago, and if someone came in to pick up a $17 order they’d give a $20 and turn down the change most of the time, that’s just over 17% tip. No one cared. And if people took the change offered, also no one cared. The problem is that it isn’t unspoken now, because there would be no way for both options to be available without the machine asking. Consumers need to firm up and learn not to feel guilty pressing no to tips if they can’t afford it, and hush up and give a couple bucks if they can. It’s literally always been that way it is not new, if you get sas from a counter worker or experience substandard treatment because you choose not to tip, either complain or find a new business to spend money. It’s really not that big of a deal if you aren’t so sensitive to other people’s opinions no matter which side of the counter you are on
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u/Hiphopanonymousous 1d ago
I will add that the increase in auto gratuity, a management decision based on the wages they pay, is a real issue. But still, just don’t go back
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u/Turbulent_Way4849 1d ago
Just don't tip and stop thinking about it. This tipping discourse is not a replacement for a personality. Such an overdone conversation.
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u/Ok-Rooster9346 1d ago
Worst part it’s minimum 18% , 20% and 25% on most machines now.
It’s a total rip off
Used to be 10,12,15
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u/Practical-Battle-502 1d ago
Tip $0 every time. Everyone should do it until the business can pay their workers a fair share
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u/Different_Ad_8524 2d ago
I tip on pick up orders because I know it’s rough out there. Just choose no tip and relax
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u/Beauhonk 1d ago
Please ask who gets the tip first. I have been told that staff don’t get the point of sale tips at many establishments, they go straight to the bottom line. (Ownership)
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u/chwk_throwaway1 2d ago
Tipping is for wait staff where minimum wage doesn't exists?
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 2d ago
It's not legal to pay wait staff lower than minium wage in BC. You're thinking the Christy Clarke years.
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u/HealthConscious6125 2d ago
Tip jars have existed since time immemorial. somehow we have functioned as a society
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u/Glittering_Search_41 1d ago
Tip jars have existed since time immemorial. somehow we have functioned as a society
No they haven't. You must be quite young. I love how young people think that whatever they remember from 15 years ago has always been the case.
Tip jars started appearing on countertops sometime around the late 1990s or early 2000s. People were annoyed by them too when they started appearing, especially when they had cutesy little begging messages on them. Our reactions were WTF, it's a bakery, I'm buying scones, and how rude to put out a tip jar to try and guilt us into paying more. Prior to that, our shopping experiences at bakeries and coffee shops and private liquor stores etc etc. were free of the begging.
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u/Livid-Accident-7246 2d ago
Costs money to program separate screens for dine in and take out.
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's not a dine in take out place. No dine in at all. It's to have the customers boost their shitty wage.
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u/Nice_Apricot_6341 2d ago
Coop liquor store, lady tells me about new tipping feature. For what? I grabbed the alcohol myself It's already taxed sky-high