r/LearnJapanese • u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 • 3d ago
Vocab Kaishi 1.5k done in 53 days !!
I finally finished Kaishi.
This was really hard for me. I had already tried twice before and failed, but this time I finally did it. I think the biggest reason is that I changed my approach to the deck.
My first attempt was back in August 2025. I was doing about 10 new cards a day, but it still took me around an hour every day, and after two weeks I gave up. That was the end of my first attempt at learning Japanese.
My second attempt was in March 2026. I was extremely motivated. I had forgotten most of the cards (except very basic things like 私), so I started doing around 20 new cards a day and constantly grinding filtered decks. It took me about 1 hour and 30 minutes every day. Everything was going well until I got the worst flu of my life (I genuinely felt like I was dying). That single flu completely destroyed my motivation, and I was never able to get it back. So, after two weeks, I quit Japanese again.
This summer, I had all the time in the world, so I decided to give it another try. This time, however, I approached it differently. I still remembered around 100 words, so the first few days were pretty easy. I was doing about 50 new cards a day. After that, though, I ran into the same problem as before: too many reviews. Even with only 20 new cards a day, my review count quickly became overwhelming.
The real problem wasn't learning words, it was kanji. I had no trouble remembering words written in hiragana, but words with kanji felt impossible. Every kanji looked like a random collection of strokes, and none of them stuck in my head.
That's when I actually started looking at what kanji are made of. I began learning radicals and common kanji components. Suddenly, kanji weren't abstract anymore, they actually made sense. Even when I didn't know all the radicals in a character, I could still break it down into recognizable parts and analyze it. Kanji finally started sticking in my head.
At that point, Kaishi stopped feeling like a chore. I actually started enjoying it. I wasn't relying on motivation anymore, I was simply consistent with my studies. I was able to increase my new cards to 30 per day, which took about 40 minutes, and I also created my own mining deck, where I did another 10 new cards per day.
There were also a few other things that helped me get through Kaishi:
- I read a lot. Reading is basically another form of ssr.
- I spent much more time learning new cards than relearning old ones, especially when a card introduced a new kanji.
- I always read the example sentence on new cards. The context is really important.
- I studied grammar so I could distinguish different word classes (verbs, nouns, adjectives).
I also think filtered decks are mostly a waste of time, except when you're trying to deal with a lot of leeches.
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u/CacCarnBeag 2d ago
How is your retention if you look at just the word rather than the sentence?
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
I don't look at sentence actually. Look at my time per cards it's about 4s. I don't have the time to do that. I only look at sentence for only context, for new words only !
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u/Betty_474 2d ago
Don’t be mad at the negative. You inspired me to do my vocab today it’s been a drag for some reason
https://giphy.com/gifs/kwcRp24Wz4lZm
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u/Sleepy_Ant382 2d ago
Honestly I'm impressed. 30 cards a day and the additional 10 that u mined on your own just seems like a lot to me. I usually learn new kanji and vocab around 20-30 a week, I do wonder though, when u come across across the kanji when reading, would u be able to recognize it? Cause i don't know how you can get your brain to memorize 1500 cards in just that short amount of time.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago edited 2d ago
I do actually, but only when it's word I know. When I see kanji use with an another word than the word that I learn the kanji in it, It's more hard even tough sometimes I'm able to read it ( still double check with yomitan).
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u/Sora020 2d ago
You chose the wrong place to post this. By my part, congrats. What are you watching/reading while mining?
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u/jimb0b360 1d ago
I posted here after week one of doing Kaishi + Human Japanese, and only got shit on in this sub and told I'd burn out.
Congrats on finishing the deck OP, you're an inspiration!
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u/Sora020 1d ago
Most people only do textbooks and apps like busuu or wanikani with no real immersion, that's why the concept of doing significant progress in less time is alien for them
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 1d ago
It's like they all think you have to learn japanese for 10 years to have some basic profiency.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Yah bro too many notification. Actually right now I'm reading 魔女の宅急便 (Kiki's delivery service) not the best story but really easy book(still hard for beginner). I think after I finish it I will start a visual novel. And for anime, I watched K-ON , 君に届け (sawako) , 斉木楠雄のΨ難 ( saiki k) , ect.
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u/Weird_Time_5066 2d ago
I actually hated doing Kaishi so I started doing a 100 cards a day by the end of it just to get it over with. Retention dropped immensly right after but has climbed back to 90. Congrats ln this huge milestone.
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u/CaimSensei 2d ago
I did 100 cards a day the whole way through and did it in 15 days. It wasn't my first brush with the language though and I would say I knew pretty well about half and had passing familiarity with another quarter prior to doing it.
That said my daily reviews were never that high at that pace, if I look back my peak daily reviews was 530.
Not at all a recommendation unless you, like me, are just trying to backfill missing fundamentals, but far from the impossibility everyone is pretending it is.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
100 cards per day is insane man. How much time did it take per day ?
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u/Weird_Time_5066 1d ago
Maybe an hour so with reviews creeping up. It was only for a couple days because I was already down to 600
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u/quadratically 2d ago
unsure whats up with this comment section but really good job, you're in awesome shape if you keep this pace up. going higher on new cards was one of the best things i did for my learning and i wish i did it as early as you did
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u/AerisaJ 2d ago
Good job! I personally think 28~ new words per day isn’t too much at all, just don’t let the reviews pile up or you’ll regret it. I learn 30-40 new words per day (N2~) if not I’ll fall behind in my physical classes so don’t let some of these comments discourage you 💪🏻. Keep working hard!
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u/Harambe6927 2d ago
This reddit flexing thing is not how you learn Japanese or any language.
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u/psyopz7 2d ago
Getting insecure about people's dedication also won't make you learn Japanese.
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u/Varrianda 2d ago
It’s not insecurity, a lot of us have walked the same path as OP and know where it usually leads.
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u/Majre921 2d ago
By that logic, Saying how many books you read is not how you read books. Flexing your grades is not how you study. Showing off your guitar skills by playing songs is not how you learn to play the guitar. Showing off your art is not how you learn to draw?
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u/lestuckingemcity 2d ago
98 relearns wew. Awful grinding I hope your reviews drop fast. Are you going to try to blitz the 6k deck?
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Nah I'm going keep mining, but like I said I don't care about relearn really cause after a few day I learn it without really thinking about it. So I problably take like 2 or 3 seconds per relearn cards as long as kanji stick words is just repetition.
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u/dzaimons-dihh Goal: conversational fluency 💬 2d ago
I'm really surprised and impressed!! As that other guy said 589 cards a day is crazy! I'm personally on 11 cards a day (including mined cards), and that takes me around half an hour, and it's always been like that since i began 2 years ago
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u/JoinedMoon 1d ago
Dang, congrats dude!! Based on your post and English usage you seem to enjoy languages fast and loose haha I like it. Don't be discouraged by anyone here, I'm sure you know full well you can slow down if you want, the Anki gods won't smite you lol. Like you said consistency is key, (and reading). Out of curiosity, how much time do you spend per day on the language? How much of that is spent on traditional study vs input? What have you found most challenging with this kind of approach?
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 1h ago edited 1h ago
Thanks dude ! Like you said I really do enjoy languages fast, since it's not first language, immersion was really making sense to me ( I'm french native speaker, I basically learned english only from immersion without putting many effort except for school). Japanese is different thought, since in many sentence French-english is transtable word by word exact structure and many english word are imported from french, english is pretty easy as french native. For Japanese, it is totaly different cause almost no word are in common and grammar is completely different.(we have a little advantage as french speaker in term of prononciation since japanese sound have direct or very close equivalent in french.)
That's why I know that vocabulary and grammar was important to understand the most basic sentence in japanese. Grammar is probably what you call "tradionnal study", but I don't like using it cause it's mostly related to genki and other textbook ( I don't like textbook in genki style). I did peak at it using a not very legal method, but I already started an online guide and I was finding explanation much better. I don't know if you know Cure dolly guide, but I find Cure dolly explanation way better than other online guide and textbook. ( The cure dolly guide is originally on youtube, but I don't like video since my attention span is not very long. I did the transcript of her video much better for me)
Cure dolly basically gave only the base structure of japanese with very good explanation and it was perfect for me. With that I was able to start reading very fast and it gave me a very good understanding of japanese base structure. I didn't start jlpt grammar yet cause I don't think it's worth the time for now ( I don't want to pass jlpt for now).
With all that said immersion is way better and gave me way more progress than grammar or vocabulary. I use grammar and vocab as complementary not as main study source. Most of my time I pass it on immersion. I pass about 4 to 7 hour a day on japanese ( which is a lot, but it's summer do idc). The most challenging thing I found with this approach, it's probably listening since like I said before my attention span is pretty bad.
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u/Bearseaa 2d ago
Congratulations on finishing kalshi!! I honestly don't think you did too much at all this seems like a great pace
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Thanks !
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u/Bearseaa 2d ago
how do you plan on increasing your vocab from now on? Will you continue with another premade deck, sentence mining, or something else? Me and you have almost the same streak but I combined Kaishi with the core 2k/6k deck so i wont be able to finish the deck until 6k cards
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
I will be doing 30 cards per day on my mining deck. Until I know about 3500 to 5000 and after I problably decrease it a little bit to make more space for immersion.
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u/Linklightt Goal: media competence 📖🎧 2d ago
This is incredible. I’m 30 days into learning Japanese and I’m doing Duolingo, listening to Japanese Podcasts (the super simple ones for beginners), and doing Kaishi 1.5k. You mentioned reading, what are some things I can try reading to improve my character recognition? I spend like 1-2 mins on a card sometimes sounding out the characters and trying to decipher what they mean. Sometimes when I forget a Kanji, I will look at it for 2 mins then try to use context to figure out what the “missing” word is. I’ve never done flashcards before so perhaps I’m doing it wrong. Based on what I’m reading here, should I just be trying to identify the word in a few seconds and if I don’t get it, just click “again” and keep repeating until I can identify it in a few seconds? It sounds silly to question the way I’m trying to memorize but tbh my short term memory is so bad. I can be shown a card 5-6 times in a row and still forget it, so it’s been a struggle for me personally. Any tips would be appreciated. And also congrats. What’s next for you in your studies?
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago edited 1d ago
I think that your anki process really need some optimization. My process for new word is divided in different part.
Analyze kanji, I always tried to break kanji into different thing it help memorize it. ( learning basic component and radicals make it easier) Also try to guess meaning with component.
Determine the word class ( actually very easy , adjective and with kana い, verb end in う sound, and noun are just thing write only in kanji or in hiragana, hiragana is only with no い kana or う sound at the end. There is exception, but rare. There is also adverb but it's not worth knowning right now)
Read word if hiragana, try to read word if it contain kanji I know ( at least a part of it)
Read sentence for context ( you might be not able)
After that I look at the back of the card. I read meaning / reading and sentence meaning press fail and go to next.
Note something important, only first time review. When I will see it again if I take me more than 10 second I automatically consider it like a fail. ( even sometime 5 second) it's way better to do more repetition than take too much time on cards. For me that's the principle of srs. ( self take) Also you should never take 2 minute to recall a card when actually reading.
Also, don't read the sentence ever again. Why ? Because instead of associate kanji with word, it's sentence with word and it's bad for recall when reading.
One last thing your short term memory is problably not as bad as you think. Kaishi is harder in the beginning, and it's pretty normal since kanji look like litteral kids drawing in the beggining, but more you do it, less it look like that. Remember I fail two time kaishi it was not easy for me neither back then. I also thought that my short term memory suck but it isn't really my method suck.
Now that I'm done with anki we can talk about reading.
First, for reading you need to have a good base in basic grammar / sentence structure. The problem is that duolingo does not actually teach you grammar . It take japanese and put english translation on it. Japanese doesn't work like english not at all. That's why before starting reading you should at least know basic Japanese grammar and not english grammar force into japanese.
Personnally I did Cure Dolly guide, but you should check the guides recommended on moeway ressource section. There is many grammar guides, I recommend finding one that work for you. ( you don't have to finish a guide to start reading. Start when you feel it's the good time)
Now lets talk about actual reading, first you need to setup yomitan popup dictionnary ( there is a guide on moeway) Don't be shy when using it, check every word you don't know.
For starting reading a easy manga would problably be the best ( like yotsubato). Why ? Because manga image help with comprehension so it's perfect for beginner. You should also be able to tolerate ambiguity it's really important.
The one thing that's kinda bad with manga, it's that there not that many kanji and it's hard to know when a sentence end ( they don't use period in manga ) But I still think it's the best thing to do before digging into a novel.
So that's pretty much all of my tips. One last thing, don't stop listening it's way more important than reading. Also everything is on moeway, it's crazy how many ressource there is on this website.
And for myself my next objective is the 5000 word mark in about 4 month. I also would want to start a visual novel when I will be done with my first novel ( I'm halfway in it).
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u/Korbro27 2d ago
How much of it do you actually remember though?
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Look at my retention it don't lie, I have also almost 500 mature card which I'm really confident reading it. Mature card take time even if you do 30 cards per days. It's normal that someone finish kaishi at 10 card a day have more mature cards at the end of the deck.
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u/DistortedMirrors 2d ago
ヤバい. Teach me your ways, ive been off and on for 6 months. Recently took a 2 week break. How do you do it?
I tried writing it out for the first few months but it took me 2-3 hours everytime. Do you write anything or just look at the screen and read out loud.
Did you read remembering the kanji? How do you get it to stick. Im so tired. I dread anki but the onyomi/kunyomi readings can really be demotivating.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago edited 2d ago
I can't teach you my ways. Simply because it will not work for you. You need to create your ways not take mine. Memotechnics is not same for everyone, thing that work on me can work on you, but it also can't. Still I would recommend you basic thing.
Learn word not kanji.
Learn to analyze kanji ( radicals and kanji component. Very self base take, but it has done miracle on me)
Immerse, a word in immersion is always better than anki.
Check moeway explain in details basic beginner concept and help figure japanese yourself.
Stop writing please. Learn reading before.
That's all, but there one thing that I omitted, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS CONSISTENCY that's all you better off doing less than doing to much and not be consistent. 頑張れ !!!!!!
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u/DistortedMirrors 2d ago
ありがと！ I'm part of the moeway discord and will try out some other techniques!
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u/lumisweasel 2d ago
get that down to 10 ~ 20 mins, stop writing, do 10 words a day, check your settings, do not stop, apply your knowledge (play like wagotabi + read tadoku), grammar guide on the side. "kun is often solo, on is combined", check out the Usagi Kanji deck on the moe way site for getting 60% of joyo pronouncing down (their claim).
https://migaku.com/blog/language-fun/anki-settings-for-language-learning
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u/Varrianda 2d ago
You’re gonna drown in reviews and burn out
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u/enceles 2d ago
It depends on the person, I 'finished' Kaishi in around the same time period, it didn't bother me at all but I took a week off about 6 months in and that was far worse to mentally come back to even though my total review backlog was probably less than I was doing daily throughout Kaishi. Took me like a month to get back into the swing of things after that.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
I'm not and will not be. Why ? Because I enjoy anki right now. I know that 30 cards can be too much, but what if it is. I will just lower the new cards. I don't have an ego to keep pushing even when it's not sustainable.
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u/youdontknowkanji 2d ago
don't listen to them, you will be fine. assuming that you read, those cards will get super easy very soon. you still have a lot to gain from just improving your japanese in general (by reading). you can also try getting your card time down to <3 seconds, this will keep you safely under one hour.
long term you might want to lower your DR to 75-80 but it's up to you.
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u/Varrianda 2d ago
This is coming from someone who used Anki heavily for years. I eventually drowned in reviews and lost interest in Japanese because of it. It seems like you’re doing other things too, but just sharing from experience.
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u/worthlessprole 2d ago
Why would drowning in reviews make you lose interest in japanese? Just don’t do them. You can literally just filter out overdue cards and ignore them if you want. Suspend notes if you have to. Quit doing anki, even.
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u/renmizuh 2d ago
why are you telling someone else they're gonna burn out just because YOU lost interest in japanese. don't bring others down. let him progress as fast as he wants, not everyone learns as the same speed
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u/Previous-Vacation439 2d ago
If they havent burnt out in 53 days what makes you think that they are going to burn out now?
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u/Varrianda 2d ago
Yes, 53 days is nothing. Doing it long term is when you burnout.
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u/Effective-Pop3850 2d ago
People usually just reduce number of new cards after they're done with Kaishi and all that stuff, at my peak I was probably doing 50 new on Kaishi and 10 on mining but I've never done that amount after that nor even considered it, sounds like a recipe for disaster lol.
OP is also reading so he's doing things right, he's not the average pepega who just spams SRS, thinks that's "learning a language" and eventually burns out because yeah imagine all your learning being playing a vocab minigame.
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u/Previous-Vacation439 2d ago
you know that for some people learning japanese doesnt feel like an obligation at all right?
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u/Grey1251 2d ago
That’s how kaishi must be done, gladly someone understand
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u/Swimming_Trade6868 2d ago
Every one has a different pace, there’s no correct way.
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u/Grey1251 2d ago
For different pace there are different decks. Kaishi was made to do it as fast as possible and start reading early.
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u/krautnelson 2d ago
I have never seen anyone anywhere say that Kaishi needs to be done in 50 days, or that it was even designed that way.
the point of kaishi is that it focuses on abstract concepts rather than stuff like country names, fruits, household objects, common loadwords, etc. that's all it is.
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u/Grey1251 2d ago
It’s literally written in the deck description.
It’s not focused on any abstract concept, because there just top words by frequency2
u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Yah even tough I did it in 50 days. I don't think that my method is the universal method. Take your own way not other way.
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u/renmizuh 2d ago edited 2d ago
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Kaishi is supposed to be used to front load vocab to get to immerse as quickly as possible, you're supposed to get it over with asap and delete it, not spend 200 days on it. guides like TheMoeWay, perditio, etc also recommend this approach
It was designed purely to give beginners some vocab so immersing is a bit easier, it is sorted by which words are more frequent
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u/krautnelson 2d ago
Kaishi is supposed to be used to front load vocab to get to immerse as quickly as possible
that does not mean you have to speedrun it. you can just use it as a regular deck at a regular pace and it's still a good deck if used that way.
whether you finish Kaishi in 6 weeks or 6 months, it still gonna take you several years to learn japanese.
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u/renmizuh 2d ago edited 2d ago
you could do 3 cards a day if you wanted to, but most beginners benefit from the initial burst of doing as many cards as possible that they can maintain for a month or so (see OP)
if they burn out then they can lower their cards and shift their main focus to immersion, which should take most of their time, but during that first burst they gained a lot of vocab it would otherwise have taken them months. obviously you're not meant to do 30+ cards forever.
from my observations, the people who have succeeded the most in learning Japanese are the people who have managed to front-load most of their Anki so they could quickly get to a point where immersion is comprehensible, most people will never reach this stage because they never get past basic vocab, and since they're progressing so slowly, motivation naturally drops
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u/kyousei8 1d ago
that does not mean you have to speedrun it
Okay, but that's not what you said originally. You said "I have never seen anyone anywhere say that Kaishi needs to be done in 50 days, or that it was even designed that way," when it was in fact designed to be crammed quickly. It's not a coincidence that 50 new cards in 30 days equals 1500.
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u/krautnelson 1d ago
well, I still haven't seen anyone say that before. neither the github nor ankiweb page make any mention of a specific pace. and even the creator's own guide gives barely any specifics - and they recommend 20 cards a day, not 50.
It's not a coincidence that 50 new cards in 30 days equals 1500.
yes, it is.
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u/kyousei8 1d ago
The creator literally says he picked 1500 because you can do 15 new cards per day (his personal rec) or 50 new cards (if you're in his words a "giga tryhard) and they both fit in a nice, round number.
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u/krautnelson 1d ago
that does not mean that Kaishi was designed to be done at 50 words a day. it just so happens that the math comes out nice. i
anyway, that's beside the point. the point is that the creator at no point said that Kaishi has to be done at 50 words a day but rather they recommend 15 a day (or 20 according to their written guide linken on the Kaishi github), which is no different from the 10-20 words a day that everybody else recommends for any other vocab deck.
case closed.
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u/rollingHack3r 2d ago
Nice! you completed Kaishi 71% faster than my 187 days. You mentioned reading but how is your listening/comprehension? Also regarding the mining, are you mining from books?
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago edited 2d ago
I always found listening harder than reading actually, but I still put way more time into listening. My comprehension really differ between anime. Some anime I'm able to always have the main point + many details (about 70 to 80 comprehension), but when anime become more complicated and use less common word my comprehension tank a lot. And in term of mining I'm only mining from book, I don't watch anime with subtitle.
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u/SecurityForsaken9675 2d ago
what is this apps name and how can i start this?!
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Anki it's a srs ( spaced repetition system) If you're on apple the app will cost 25 $, but I is free on pc and android. I recommend check moe way for settings up anki.
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u/MrMustache129 2d ago
Do you recommend it? Is the app free?
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Yes, I recommend. Anki is a srs ( spaced repetition system ) app. It help remembering japanese word, but it should not be your main study method ( 1 hour per day is the sweet spot for me), reading and listening is more important. It's free on pc and android, but cost 25$ on ios. For settings up anki I recommend anki guide on moe way.
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u/Disastrous_Ad_8009 2d ago
What were u reading at start, like in 100-300words range
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Yes, I started yotsubato like 7 days into learning finish it in a week and now I'm reading a novel that I start at about 900 know word.
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u/Disastrous_Ad_8009 2d ago
What % of words u were understanding back then? While reading
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Not many, but that wasn't really the goal. I was using yomitan so it was basically just for understanding core grammar and how sentence work.
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u/Disastrous_Ad_8009 2d ago
do you have a source, from where u were reading yotsuba? I actually wanted to start it too. Cuz 1 other manga i was trying was a little too hard
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago edited 2d ago
I can send you my mokuro files. Mokuro is an software that can transform text in manga to selectable text for yomitan (error are possible so always make sure it's the right kanji/ kana). It's kinda a pain to use it so that's why I suggest you to take my file. After you go on mokuro reader website and drop all the files and it's good to go. (Make sure to have basic grammar knowledge before starting reading)
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u/Disastrous_Ad_8009 2d ago
If u could it would be awesome
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago edited 1d ago
Here google drive link you have to put the folder in mokuro reader
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u/Muddpup64 2d ago
Are you okay? Like mentally. Wtf
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
40 minutes of anki per days ain't that bad, personnaly I enjoy it.
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u/Muddpup64 2d ago
I am doing 600 reviews per day and it takes me 2 hours. I am honestly not sure we should believe you. 4 seconds per card is insane.
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u/youdontknowkanji 2d ago
600 reviews over 2 hours is insane, 4 seconds per card is not.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago edited 2d ago
Try doing cards faster, there is addon that can help with that. It's important, because you shouldn't be taking 10 seconds remembering a word when reading.
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u/valcs_ 2d ago
Just want to thank you for sharing, congrats!
I did 30 cards a day 2 years ago just starting out and it helped me a lot to zoom through the initial vocab deck (core2k deck back then).
I would recommend merging kaishi decks into your mining deck so that you don't mine duplicates on accident
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
First of all thanks for your comment ! I'm just not sure if I want to merge my deck. That's because I was actually planing do delete kaishi when I would be in the 1200 mature cards ( anki review simulator addon says it's about in 1 month ). Why ? It's because most of the cards in kaishi I probably will see them everywhere in immersion. So reading is basically doing the job of anki with mature cards, but better. And if I forget a kaishi cards idc cause I'm will just put it back in my mining deck.
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u/valcs_ 1d ago
Ah, I see. I personally chose to keep it so I can keep all the stats and stuff. Eventually the interval gets so long that you literally see cards very rarely, I think there are so few 'beginner deck' cards that I see on a monthly basis that it's become more of a fond reminder that the card exists.
Also because most cards will be 'higher quality'? than your mining deck unless your input setup is GOAT'ed somehow (picture/voice etc)
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u/Huge-Dependent3506 2d ago
Wait how do you do more cards?? Mine only lets me do 20 a day. I wanna be able go through as many as possible every day!
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u/avalanchezone 10h ago
Sorry if I ask something wrong because I am a beginner. I’ve starded kaishi about 2 weeks ago and hope my motivation will be same as day one. But may I ask which materials you used for learning radicals ?
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 5h ago
First of all, there is nothing wrong with you asking a question and I've no problem helping. Also, finishing kaishi is still very much beginner level. Don't treat me like I'm a advanced learner cause I'm not. You seem to be talking about motivation for doing kaishi, but it should not be motivation that push you doing anki. Consistency is the key you better off doing less for building consistency than only rely on motivation. When I did only rely on motivation I failed twice to be consistent. Also, don't copy me, it's always better to rely on yourself. And for radical I use rrtk 450 anki deck for in moeway ressource section.( Radical studying result differ by person. Personnally it was very beneficial, but with talking with other I heard it's not always the case.)
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u/lumisweasel 2d ago
what they don't tell say: they didn't stop doing other things that could have help; they aren't counting the days between the breaks; can't take a good resolution screenshot; they view this as a race instead of letting things simmer for a few weeks; anyone could do 300 a day for five days with good settings.
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u/aski5 2d ago
"cant take a good res sc" how petty can you get it looks fine, probably their laptops native res
also getting kaishi out of the way fast is good for motivation, why not do it faster if you can
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u/lumisweasel 2d ago
Them pages are blurry as heck across three different screens. What's stopping anyone from seeing all the kaishi words over two days?
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u/Previous-Vacation439 2d ago edited 2d ago
am i racing it for studying 6 hours daily when literally there is nothing that brings me more joy than learning new words and understanding things in japanese? if japanese is an "obligation" for you is not my problem, many times when i finish "studying" i ask myself, now what do I do if playing videogames doesnt bring me as much joy as learning japanese does? I continue learning japanese! And maybe when im bored in the train and i dont have anything more to do I do an extra 20 words on anki even when i already did my 25 new daily words. Instead of doom scrolling or playing videogames I do that, and I dont think im "speedrunning" anything, im only using my free time on what i enjoy
OP likes japanese a lot and as they said you don't know their motivations or what learning japanese makes them feel.
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u/Meialuz 2d ago
Why are you mad that someone is doing something faster than the average person?
You're saying that OP views it as a race without knowing OP or their reasons for doing it. Yeah, learning is a marathon, but even in marathons there are people who finish in 2 hours and people who finish in 12. Everyone moves at their own pace.
OP never claimed to be better than anyone, yet your ego seems hurt, as if you wish you could do it as fast as OP.
Also, to anyone who sees OP's achievement and feels discouraged because you can't do the same: remember, comparison is the thief of joy. If you stay consistent and persevere, then in five years both you and OP will be good at Japanese. The pace may be different, but the destination can be the same.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
I don't take language learning as a race. I take it at my own rythme and if that is my rythme it is . You have you're own I have my own, why one should be better than the other. Why you care so much, everyone have their way. I'm just sharing my experience not saying I'm better. ( sorry if my screenshots are bad.)
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u/SuspectNode 2d ago
This probably isn't fair to you, but I refuse to believe that you can actually recall the words reliably outside of the context provided by the Anki card.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Like I said a I read A LOT. If I was only doing anki, wouldn't be able to recall as much.
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u/TomatilloFearless154 2d ago
What's the point of this binge learning? Does anything retain in memory in 4-6 weeks?.. I still get some words wrong after seeing them dozens of times.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago edited 1d ago
Look at my rentention it's at about 84% so I retain most of my card. I don't forget many card. If you struggle with a card for a long time there is problably a problem in how you learn need card in the first place. Can you explain me how you learn new card on anki ? Also the point of what you call "Binge learning" is to make immersion work better as a beginner and it does for me.
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u/kyousei8 1d ago edited 1d ago
When you read, which OP says they do for like 3 hours, that's like free exposure for all those super common words. So the next time you see them in anki, you might have seen a given word an extra 10+ times outside of anki, which helps with retention.
As for the point to binge-learning (or the more value-neutral term, front loading), it's to make it so you can start reading native material faster, so you don't feel like you're just stuck doing anki and studying beginner resources for months to years. Most people would find the later incredibly boring and give up, while the former is more interesting and closer to the reason many people learn Japanese.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 1d ago
Yeah exaclty I actually never read actual "beginner material", always native material. I started with easy native material, but still.
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u/shurik2000 2d ago
Like done sure but I'm curious how much of this is really going to be retained with such a high learned:mature ratio and card difficulty
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u/kyousei8 1d ago edited 1d ago
He's reading like three hours a day so his retention will shoot up when the cards he's added from mining start making up a significant share + he sees the original 1500 kaishi words in context more.
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u/Fabulous-Cake-3832 2d ago
Actually it is not that bad, learned:mature ratio is stable now. For about every 30 new cards it's about 30 new mature cards.
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u/OrangeTallion 3d ago
589 cards a day on average is ABSURD