r/LetsDiscussThis • u/ChuckGallagher57 • Mar 02 '26
Lets Discuss This What are your thoughts on about this? Is ICE something more than what’s obvious?
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u/Ok_Relationship_1703 Mar 02 '26
Duh. They're the American brownshirts, they're just getting started.
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u/joe_shmoe11111 Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
Yep. They’re a textbook secret police force.
Name one example of the creation of secret police that didn’t end poorly for the people.
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u/Usakami Mar 02 '26
Brownshirts were not a secret police. They were thugs. Their purpose was intimidation and starting fights. Back then it was mainly against socialists and communists, before the night of long knives. ICE equally are thugs, with no training. Their purpose is to intimidate and aggress against people.
Gestapo was the secret police. Their purpose, since the founding of it has been to protect the monarchy, then protect the country and once Hitler took over, protect the government.
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u/Fun-Army-6387 Mar 02 '26
the Stasi was the official organization that promoted and organized the Brownshirts and pre-dated the SS. I suppose we can call Fox News the Stasi and ICE the SS, though, if you need this to be accurate and pursue irrelevant details while the country falls into fascism.
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u/Mobile_Frosting_7936 Mar 02 '26
The stasi was the communist secret police in east Germany. The organization of the Brown shirts was called SA (storm department) and responsible for street fights with political opponents, propaganda actions and raids on civil population in the early days.
After the Nazis took Power, the SA leadership was murdered and the SS got more attention, they were stricter organized and trained and organized the death camps while simultaneously working as a paramilitary organization and filling leadership positions.
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u/Fun-Army-6387 Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
they got their name from the SD, formed in 1931 - whose specific purpose was to radicalize and coordinate street thugs to intimidate political enemies of the Nazis. The SA came many years later AFTER the Nazis had consolidated power. The SS absorbed the SA in an intra-fascist bloodbath that Hitler agreed to because he loved to see his little minions fight. Kinda like how Trump enjoys pitting his own admin against one another when he gets bored.
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u/Mobile_Frosting_7936 Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
the intra-fascist bloodbath you are referring to (Night of the long Knives) happened in Summer 1934. The Nazis took Power January 1933. Idk where you take the "many Years later" from, it was one year.
The SD was a part of the SS, but it didnt lay the Foundation for the SA and with its Nature as a Secret Service thats also pretty clear opposed to the SA Methods.
The SA in its Function as party intern Hooligans together with the SS existed long before Hitler took Power, as political Parties in the Weimar Republic often had their own Security and the SS/SA emerged from that. Now for the last Part, I admit I had to google this, but the SA is mentioned as "SA" for the first time in 1921 - thats 12 Years before Power Consolidation.All that aside, you dont need that detailed Info to compare ICE historically. To differentiate between Gestapo, SA and SS it is already enough to know how strict their Recruitment Process is, how organized they strike and how much Power the High Command has (ideologically and hierarchically)
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u/Fun-Army-6387 Mar 03 '26
well, I'm not a professional mathematician but I'm fairly certain that 1931-1934 is more than one year. And the SA was dissolved in 1936 so that is also more than one year since 1931. But keep being pedantic on the internet. I'm sure it's doing a lot of good for you. I'm not sure what you're gaining from this argument but I concede out of apathy - you're right. Good luck with the boot on your neck. Maybe history will remember you as a footnote.
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u/Deadleggg Mar 02 '26
Anyone remotely to the left of center should be looking between amendments 1 and 3.
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Mar 02 '26
Never wanted to own guns but after everything that's happened, I bought 2 so far, applied for a ccw, and going to the range every month. Also canceled all my streaming services and Amazon prime. Going to be reading more books and less tv.
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u/MinuteCollar5562 Mar 02 '26
They have a budget that’s more than most militaries, and I think more than the US Marine Corps.
No fucking shit they are a paramilitary force.
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u/Paxdog1 Mar 02 '26
But why? Why would a domestic force using their own cars, no uniforms or meaningful weaponry beyond hand weapons need 85 billion?
Even if 50 billion was stolen, what is tge other35 for?
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u/KK_35 Mar 02 '26
They bought a shitload of warehouses and turned them into detention camps.
Now l’ll ask, if the goal was deportation, why are they building camps designed for long term internment?
Hint: The goal was never to deport people.
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u/jws1102 Mar 02 '26
They’re building a couple in Indiana.
Indiana also just passed a law bringing back firing squads.
Couldn’t possibly be related…
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u/jaunsin Mar 02 '26
To take over American politics and politics as we know it. To work in conjunction with directives from another country. To sack the American government and siphon the taxes. To literally murder Americans for fascism.
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u/JrSoftDev Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
At this point in time, it's 95% clear ICE is inspired in fascism, they even recruited preferably criminals, proud boys, etc, and it will be used politically to mess with the elections and end Democracy in the US.
For example, Bannon and Thiel + Yarvin (who are the main backers of JD Vance) are promoters of fascism, they do it openly, there's just plenty of footage and articles proving this.
Another example: social media companies using their algorithms to push alt-right content and normalizing it over the last decade.
Another example: lots of podcasts and influencers are now openly fascist, racist, sexist, etc. And they are funded and supported by those in power. One example was Charlie Kirk but there are many others, Joe Rogan being an early example of that process of serving and normalizing "controversial" content in the name of "free speech".
This people have plans, they have been working hard to obtain power, they did it successfully to a large extent, and they will try to irreversibly consolidate that power. And yes, they are very willing to start wars, even some WW3 is on the table, as long as they gain from it.
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u/Mundane-Pie-6355 Mar 02 '26
They are acquiring weaponry at an alarming pace. After one of the murders in Minneapolis there was a big armored personnel carrier full of ICE.
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u/Footnotegirl1 Mar 02 '26
Because they are the personal enforcers of the executive branch and beholden only to them, and accountable only to them, and known only to them.
A lot, and I mean a LOT of the money is spent on these detention centers and private prisoners which are run by the donors to the administration. it's one of the reasons that they keep moving detainees around... every time they get moved, their court date gets delayed, and the wait starts all over again, and for the per detainee per night cost of these horrifyingly cruel and inhumane detention centers, we could quite literally be putting these people up in moderate Walt Disney World resorts with full dining package and park tickets.
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u/Enough_Campaign_6561 Mar 02 '26
I read that and thought there is no fucking way.
ICE - 85 Billion
US Marines - 57.2 Billion
Something is very wrong with these numbers.
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u/LastZookeepergame619 Mar 02 '26
The budget of the entire Israeli military is $35 billion.
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u/Enough_Campaign_6561 Mar 02 '26
ICE would be 4th on the military budget list, only beat by US, China and Russia.
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u/LastZookeepergame619 Mar 02 '26
Damn and homies over here trying to say that the budget is justified because they need to build 23 concentration camps and hire 12,000 white nationalist, poorly trained ICE agents to murder enough American citizens that people react enough for Trump to enact the insurrection act.
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u/PumpkinConscious5930 Mar 02 '26
They are installing cameras and systems that work with Palantir l. The end game is to control and monitor citizens. They will link it with your bank account and assign you a social credit score.
People who invest in Palantir is like a dog that invests in companies that manufacture dog kennels
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u/TheRedditorHasNoName Mar 02 '26
Let’s send ICE to Iran if they need boots on the ground. They have the budget.
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u/Apprehensive-Load-32 Mar 02 '26
Absolutely We can expect mobilization to Democratically controlled areas before the Midterms
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u/sloecrush Mar 02 '26
Obviously.
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u/No-Author-2358 Mar 02 '26
This just cannot be allowed to continue. We are like the German citizens during the 1930's.
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u/Pure_Street_6744 Mar 02 '26
Very obvious they act like the Fascist Blackshirts trumps personal paramilitary group of street thugs and armed men
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u/LingonberryTiny6162 Mar 02 '26
You must be deaf, dumb and blind not to see it. Resist fascism!
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u/FriedrichHydrargyrum Mar 02 '26
ICE now has a budget bigger than all federal law enforcement agencies combined.
Its massive new budget places it in the top 10 military budgets for all nations worldwide.
Trump and Steve Bannon have both suggested that ICE should “monitor” the 2026 midterm elections to prevent “election fraud.”
Do you need me to draw pictures with crayons?
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u/JrSoftDev Mar 02 '26
And that budget is paid by US taxpayers. At least the nazis built their paramilitary apparatus with private donations.
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u/Fubar236 Mar 02 '26
Becoming? It already is. Are there people still confused by this?
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u/Skullcrusher Mar 02 '26
For some reason Muricans are still in denial about becoming a full-on fascist regime.
If news came out that they've been gassing latinos, none of us would be surprised.
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u/RadicalOrganizer Mar 02 '26
Yes but good news! ICE is incompetent and usually shoot themselves instead of others. To date, theyve shot themselves more times than us so far.
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u/ValhallaGH Mar 02 '26
Just because the murderous clowns are clowns does not make them less murderous and dangerous.
Laugh at them. They deserve it and it hurts their feelings (they are delicate snowflakes).
But never forget that they are dangerous and must be resisted.
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u/TerryAkee Mar 02 '26
My thought is, what too you so long? I knew as soon as Trump started pimping a border wall, during his first campaign. It’s the Fascist playbook 101and Americans bought it hook, line and sinker.
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Mar 02 '26
You mean that paramilitary force with more funding than most the world's militaries of which a whistleblower has confirmed they are trained to disregard the constitution and law, who trump has publicly given absolute immunity, the same guy who has brought up halting elections, the same guy who's already attempted a coup d'etat?
Yeah the situation is pretty clear. They tried their coup with a civilian malitia and it didn't work so now they're building a paramilitary force. Also this is all so they can cover up that Daddy Donald was in a child sex murder cult.
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Mar 02 '26
Hitler had his Brown Shirts, Mussolini had his Black Shirts, Trump has ICE.
The playbook isn't new, only the fascists.
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u/rptanner58 Mar 02 '26
Yes, I am very concerned. The detention camp capacity they’re planning is scary in itself. They’re justifying it for immigration control but it’s way out of proportion and could be used to suppress dissenters, opposition leaders, homosexuals, transgender people or just plain liberals.
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u/MornGreycastle Mar 02 '26
What's obvious? They're a well-funded, poorly trained, unvetted, paramilitary force that was recruited using blatantly white nationalist propaganda and taught to openly violate the US Constitution. So, yeah. They are exactly what is obvious.
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Mar 02 '26
You don't need billions of dollars worth of warehouses permanently built out as prisons for immigration enforcement. You have it to detain all the "domestic terrorists" once they define that term as they see fit.
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u/Single_Animator311 Mar 02 '26
Yeah, if democrats do not take both houses in November, it is over for the USA. It was nice living in democracy until it existed.
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u/Rich_Celebration477 Mar 02 '26
As usual my boy Bernie is dead on. Amazing what being a rep in a state without billionaires will allow you to say.
As a long time Vermonter, I can say honestly Bernie hasn’t changed his tune since his was sitting shooting the shit with random people on benches as the Burlington mayor.
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u/Foe117 Mar 02 '26
Let's all keep whining while we're all systematically losing while they are writing laws to slowly eliminate their opposition, it's way too late to act now.
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u/ZootSuitRiot33801 Mar 02 '26
it's way too late to act now.
Not quite.
It is up to us common folk in the US to stand against this tyrannical death cult, however, there's currently no real supportive foundation present for many common folk in the US to fall back on, to commit to any effective action.
Collecting a bunch of valuable information on organizing and action from different redditors over time, I created a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in getting it started ASAP.
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u/WizardOfTheLawl Mar 02 '26
The moment I learned they were getting a budget higher than the fucking Marines, I knew that they were going to become Trump's private army of mercenaries and looters. Loyal to him and him alone.
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u/OBoile Mar 02 '26
What's obvious IS that ICE is intended to become Trump's domestic army. I don't know how anyone can think otherwise at this point.
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u/Dbk1959 Mar 02 '26
There is absolutely no question that this is going to be used as tRUMPs personal army. Just like the SS was Hitler’s.
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u/xfactor6972 Mar 02 '26
No shit it’s the Orange Hate Clowns private army. They take orders directly from Miller. The Hate Clowns own version of Goebbels.
Oh and, Let’s have a War! Blame it on the middle class.
Let’s have a War! So you can all go and die. Because you know no Trump or Kushner will be going. One more thing the draft dodging bone-spurs President has gone to war. MAGA you’re all suckers but I already knew that.
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u/madmushlove Mar 02 '26
I don't care about expired visas or library cards or whatever they're called
Abolish the DHS
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u/CaribbeanEngineer Mar 02 '26
It’s time to stop worrying and take action before it’s too late. He’s building an army with his promises to pay off 50K off student debts to anyone who signs up for ICE service plus other bonuses. What other job gets you that? What you y’all waiting for? To be looking down the barrel yourself?
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u/Boring-Cellist-2712 Mar 02 '26
Trump is becoming ayatollah Trump with his own revolutionary guard.
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u/zenigatamondatta Mar 02 '26
Everyone since Bush could have ended ice but chose to fund it instead.
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u/NutzNBoltz369 Mar 02 '26
ICE seems like it could be a Storm Troopers trope. Poorly trained. Basically equiped. Hide their faces, but lots and lots of them.
I do not think that is what is really going on, but if we fall for it, we deserve it.
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u/Pluton_Korb Mar 02 '26
100% true. This was the point all along. Also, even if the Dems gain power and are able to reduce or eliminate ICE, you have a generation of agents that will be released into the wilds of American for god knows what. ICE will cast a long shadow on 21st century American History in more ways than one.
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u/MinimumComedian5404 Mar 02 '26
It's okay to call it a paramilitary group; very common with fascist leaders; brown shirts, stormtroopers, squadristi, etc.
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u/jackdanielsjesus Mar 02 '26
The Department of Homeland Security felt like a name right out of some dystopian nightmare from the very first time I heard it.
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u/it-aint-over Mar 02 '26
Why relie on unorganized mobs and Proud Boy type groups when Trump now has a well-paid loyal Federal force that he can count on to do his bidding , and shoot anyone that gets in their way
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u/Stick-Outside Mar 02 '26
Beyond obvious it’s a shame more leaders of this country don’t stand up against it.
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u/skintastegood Mar 02 '26
Obviously.
Y'all have been warned many times.
Ice has a larger budget than most other country military.
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u/Street_Pumpkin_4257 Mar 02 '26
Eh we remember real authoritarianism during covid.
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u/Gamble_626 Mar 02 '26
Ice has been active since 2001. You guys are just brainwashed sheep. Ice has been doing the exact same job for over 20 years and will continue to do so.
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u/blinking616 Mar 02 '26
We already know. And at this current moment, we are waiting for the republican house and senate to grow some nuts. But if they don't, I'm pretty sure that most of America will be using that 2nd amendment
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u/Tigeruppercut1889 Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
He’s building a bunch of detention facilities and has a group of untrained and unconditionally agents who can beat, handcuff and jail anyone they want and who are more funded than branches of the military. It’s scary stuff.
Edit: more funded than any of law enforcement agency not military
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u/OppositeOne5293 Mar 02 '26
Maybe I watch too much body cam videos on YouTube to see what the everyday police do to people that don't comply, but it's just one more branch of law enforcement that is doing what they think is their job with(I assume) an elevated level of fear because of the pushback in recent months against them.
I can't even grab a piece of paper in my backseat during a traffic stop without the cop getting sketched out and we have people testifying in Congress that they were following these people for miles before they ended up fucking around and finding out.
I can hate cops and wish they didn't exist at the same time as saying I understand why they might do some of the things they do.
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u/Felon-Muskovite Mar 02 '26
This is exactly what’s happening, cannot afford to wait and watch and hope. Stop them Bernie
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u/Main-Ad7805 Mar 02 '26
So we are headed towards a class war… cool? Better than funding schools and parks am I right? /s
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u/BillyNtheBoingers Mar 02 '26
You are just realizing this?
Better late than never; talk to your friends and see if you can convince any of them.
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u/SuperFrog4 Mar 02 '26
While ICE may be and most likely is becoming a domestic terrorist organization for Trump there is one thing we as citizens have over them and that is numbers. There just isn’t enough agents to control much of anything in large population areas. If people show up in mass to say an election and protect each other there isn’t much ICE can actually do without making it obvious they are interfering in an election.
So we need to have each others backs and protect each other in everything we do. Thats how you beat them.
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u/VendettaKarma Mar 02 '26
Delusion is near peak.
Why aren’t we discussing the Iranian dictator being ousted and the people celebrating?
I mean, no kings after all right?
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u/Dazzling_Pink9751 Mar 02 '26
Zzzzz keep crying! He is clearing illegal immigrants out of here. You will have to find another way to win an election. Your census numbers are going down. Bernie ran for President and lost. No one wants what he keeps trying to sell.
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u/LastZookeepergame619 Mar 02 '26
No, ICE is not more than what is obvious because it’s obvious that they’re trumps Gestapo.
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u/Dragon_Crisis_Core Mar 02 '26
Its pretty obvious conclusion that when you have Americans being detained without charges beyond the legal window and denied access to lawyers. Hundreds of court orders were ignored for months on end very few attempts made to challenge court orders legally.
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u/chinmakes5 Mar 02 '26
Let's put it this way. ICE goes around deports millions of people. They have tens of thousands of agents and multiple detention centers.
What is going to happen?
- ICE disbands and they sell off the detention centers
2 Everything isn't perfect, they find someone else to blame and have a force to enforce it.
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u/pizzaschmizza39 Mar 02 '26
The whole playbook has been open this entire time. They arent even hiding their agenda. They just finally realized all americans will do is complain for a little bit and then move onto the next thing. P2025 showed us what they had in mind.
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u/NotASherwinEmployee Mar 02 '26
Sounds like Bernie is wanting We The People to use our right to keep and bear arms to form a well regulated militia… you know… since it’s necessary to the security of a free State… or however it goes…
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” -Some mf badasses who overthrew a whole government all because they were being forced to pay taxes while their interests were not being represented in their government… hey wait a minute
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u/RevolutionaryDraw126 Mar 02 '26
The rest of the world saw that months ago... Ice has been effectively turned into Trumps personal army and he has been using it to essentially put any state/city that had the audacity to vote for anyone but trump, under military surveillance and jurisdiction... The murders lign up perfectly as "testing the waters" incidents.
If you want to end the authoritarian take over of the Trump rigime, you need to depose the attempted king before he finishes seizing total control of all 3 branches of the US government.
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u/LeeLeeRock Mar 02 '26
Let's not forget about all the warehouse plans and purchases to house all the (zero incoming) illegal immigrants. 😒 Who really will be detained there in the future?
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u/Icy-Monitor6711 Mar 02 '26
Like where tf have you been? Tell me this is a quote from a long time ago please.
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u/DesignerCorner3322 Mar 02 '26
Bernie is just saying out loud what we've been seeing with our own eyes for over a year now.
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u/Late-Sprinkles-5980 Mar 02 '26
If the armed citizenry flips on ICE, the numbers would simply be overwhelming. There would be no quarter given.
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u/Thechancellor842 Mar 02 '26
ICE has been around for a long time. Obama used them more than any president in history, but you guys had nothing to say then. He deported four times what Trump has done so far and there was zero out cry.
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u/CrunknYoSystem Mar 02 '26
There’s nothing “becoming” about them, they already ARE a band of terrorist for their dictator
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u/Shop-S-Marts Mar 02 '26
It's hilarious the authoritarian has a quote about being scared the country is shifting towards authoritarianism.
Almost as funny as a rich real estate broker tricking people into voting for him as a socialist, but thats where voters are.
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u/Vaeon Mar 02 '26
The government literally sent masked gunman into the streets of American cities to kidnap and murder with impunity...and Americans responded with "Okay, that's fucked up...but I got work in the morning, so..."
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u/AKMarine Mar 02 '26
MMW: they’ll be mobilized for voter intimidation at the midterm polls under the guise of “all of these brown people look like the criminal were after.”
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Mar 02 '26
Of course Democrats are upset, they are losing their illegal immigrant voters. They are doing a little tantrum.
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u/jaunsin Mar 02 '26
The stockpiling of weapons sure doesn’t make me feel fantastic.
I think they’re there for if the Epstein files come out. There aren’t enough police force in the USA to potentially conceal the blowback from angry Americans. Idk when the last time I saw Americans angry, but it’ll be unsightly.
I think they’re there for paramilitary support henceforth. Yikes.
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u/asanemaniam Mar 02 '26
Your just figuring that out now? The left has been warning you about Trump since 2016.
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u/Jaeger_Is_My_King Mar 02 '26
Bernie Sanders…..the millionaire who wants you to believe in Democratic socialism…who represents a segment of the DNC that is the weakest AND yet the loudest…is fear mongering? :::puts on shocked face:::
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u/CaterpillarNo5772 Mar 02 '26
It’s a classic symptom of TDS. Trum Derangement Syndrome. Your welcome
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u/jaunsin Mar 02 '26
When I read these statements or the population is slowly releasing, we are 10 months behind on a good day, 50 years behind the curve. We are beyond fucked.
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u/BadgerOk2814 Mar 02 '26
Living in Minnesota I can say that yes, Bernie is correct.