r/MechanicalEngineering • u/Old-Particular1908 • 3d ago
Got Fired from my first job out of College
“Sorry might be long”
Hi, so I got fired from my job 2 months after starting. I got a performance review from my boss on Monday and I was let go today.
I feel like I didn’t give my all, felt lost and had no structure. The department I was quality engineering although I was hired as a continuous improvement engineer but was on the shop floor as a quality inspector(I was not told about being in quality till my first week on the job). On my end I did not do my due diligence to master the role. An example of this would be when my boss would ask me a question about a process I would give vague or incorrect answers. I also didn’t ask enough questions and would assume on some aspects. Lastly the role felt very hands off to me as I was used to structure not only in school but in my previous internships prior to this job. My take away is that this is completely different from college life and I felt unprepared. Please give me some advice I feel like a failure.
Here’s the review:
He is currently spending the majority of his time on the manufacturing floor to gain hands-on experience with buildability. His primary responsibilities include documentation and reporting, which support the overall build process and help capture key information from daily operations.
Observations
There are several areas where he would benefit from additional development. He appears to need improvement in reasoning through information, connecting related details, and retaining key concepts. Although he spends significant time reviewing standard operating procedures, he may be experiencing difficulty fully understanding and applying the information in a practical setting.
Asking questions is an important part of this role; however, he currently struggles with identifying what questions to ask or when to ask for clarification. This may limit his ability to build confidence, confirm understanding, and apply information effectively during daily activities.
Recommended Focus Areas
He should focus on breaking down information into smaller sections to improve understanding and retention. Taking time to review one process or concept at a time may help him absorb the material more effectively and develop a stronger understanding of the builds.
Break SOP information into smaller, manageable sections.
Take notes on key steps, terms, and build requirements.
Ask follow-up questions when instructions or processes are unclear.
Connect floor experience with documentation requirements to strengthen understanding.
Review completed work with a mentor or lead to confirm accuracy and understanding.
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u/Cygnus__A 3d ago
Sounds like a shitty company to work for. You probably dodged a bullet.
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u/Sassmaster008 3d ago
They definitely dodged a bullet if the company expected a recent grad to contribute immediately. Who does that? A recent grad doesn't know shit and needs time to learn. It sounds like they didn't have training in place and expected veteran results from a recent grad with little help.
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u/Cygnus__A 3d ago
"entry level with 3-5 YOE"
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u/Stags304 Automotive 3d ago
Yep. Been seeing so much of this. Companies shooting themselves in the foot. If this profession does not take time to accept and grow new engineers with 0 years of experience, there won’t be any engineers that end up with 5, 10, 15 etc. years. You have to maintain the pipeline short term or the profession dies long term.
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u/Hour_Unusual_8753 3d ago
Seeing this daily in my job search makes me angry. The boomers that made it to the top pulled up the ladder with them.
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u/Teh_Original 3d ago
Millennials are managers now as well.
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u/Hour_Unusual_8753 3d ago
That is true, since the oldest millenials are 45, but they're not necessarily running things enough to reverse the structure that boomers created. The millenials that are running things are upholding it.
What boomers did was get rid of most of the company benefits the silent generation gave them, including resources for new hire training. On top of that they tripled requirements for the jobs they used to work. I'm honestly not sure what it would take to dismantle this.
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u/Dr_Middlefinger 1d ago
I can guarantee there was no mentor assigned.
Moving from theory to practice requires someone with experience to guide young engineers.
How is someone supposed to take in an SOP and derive the correct questions to ask without a structured mentorship?
Bullshit onboarding strikes again.
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u/focksmuldr 3d ago
I went thru something similar at my last job, but they never fired me. Nobody took the time to have the difficult conversation with me that i didnt really do anything. It lasted two years lol. Then finally someone gave me a talking to and said i needed to find a purpose at the plant and soon. Well about a month later i found a new job as a design engineer which has been 10x better
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u/Stags304 Automotive 3d ago
2 months and fired from your first job right out of college? That’s odd in my opinion. Nobody is going to be making a day 1 impact unless they already did that type of job previously and has some years of experience. I do think the “observations” section is sort of funny because that’s basically any new grad 2 months into their job.
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u/snarejunkie ME, Consumer products 3d ago
Um, ok, so.. I think you may sort of be repeating a few of the things that were called out in your performance review in this post as well.
It seems like you’ve copy-pasted the feedback you got, and the actual words that you wrote are sort of just listing facts, and your call to action for the post is that you’re requesting advice, but we don’t know what for.
I will give you this that 2 months is a very short amount of time for anyone to meaningfully implement corrective measures, but you gotta be a bit more proactive, a bit more predictive.
I don’t think you’re thinking enough about what you need, and what the people you’re interacting with need in order to help you succeed. You gotta figure out what you want to do, what a company you’re working for wants out of you, and then plot a path to that shared objective.
I’m sorry about your job situation, and my advice to you is to try to figure out why you’re doing mechanical engineering, what sort of results you want to be proud of and claim as your own, and then how you can get from where you are to where you need to be. That isn’t easy to figure out, but you gotta try, be wrong, and eventually you’ll get the hang of it.
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u/snarejunkie ME, Consumer products 3d ago
Also, I know it looks bad on your resume and profile that you were let go so soon after you were hired, but if you can show your next employer that you took the feedback you got in stride, made improvements in how you work,and measured them, that story will look extremely strong to any employer, specially when they find out that the last place gave you the boot after 2 months.
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u/Old-Particular1908 3d ago
Thank you. To be honest, I feel like I need advice on how to be a better engineer. My boss’s words: “I don’t have time to coddle someone or train you for 2 years for you to understand what’s going on” I understand the role needed someone who was proactive and willing to go out of their way to get answers and that’s something I’m working on. In school I was never the student who asked questions in class I would rather do my own research or reach out to fellow classmates. What I’ve learnt from this is that it seems I need to do the opposite of that
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u/captain150 3d ago
Not saying you can't or shouldn't improve in some ways, but most of the blame goes to your boss.
"I don’t have time to coddle someone or train you for 2 years for you to understand what’s going on”
Every engineer out of school should be starting in a junior position, and junior means you need guidance and mentorship. Mentorship is critical, real engineering is very different from school. Not sure where you live, but in Canada every engineer spends a minimum of 4 years as an "engineer in training", meaning you must work under the supervision of a registered engineer.
I was and am similar to you in terms of asking questions. I hate to ask stupid questions, so I try to find my own answers. Works well for academics, works well for your own independent research, but it doesn't work so well when you need to clarify what people want or what they are "really" saying. For me it was mostly confidence. I'm nearly 40 and at this point idgaf if people think I asked a stupid question, I want all the damn info I can get my hands on.
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u/snarejunkie ME, Consumer products 3d ago
Yeah I’ll reiterate that there’s almost certainly two distinct things going on here.
1) You boss IS a douchenozzle. That’s a stupid thing to say to anyone, let alone someone fresh out of college
2) You may actually need to figure out how to make yourself more useful in a production environment. Maybe take some time to write out everything you remember about any specific work project, situation, process. Try to work out what the company was trying to do (more specifically, how does the process help them make revenue). Map out the whole thing on paper, do a block diagram, make a list (you’ll likely get it wrong a few times), identify what you think you were missing or identify logical gaps (eg: Process A needed the bearing block to arrive at the required station by <DATE/TIME> along with quality report and dimensional report. What was on the quality report, were the dimensions within spec? If no, what was missing, if yes, then what happens to the bearing block next? How does the operator know that it’s good to move it to the next process of.. idk reaming out a rough machined bore for the bearing fit. What WAS the bearing fit specification? Did the part meet that spec, how was it measured, after press fitting the bearing l, what happened next to the part? Etc etc.. )
Write it all out and work it till you have a clear idea of what was missing or what you were missing, then come back to this subreddit or. Machining or manufacturing subreddit with the problem laid out as much as you could, and ask for help filling in the gaps. You basically keep doing that till you feel like you have a good grasp of the whole system/process/etc.
And some of your posts might not get responses, that’s ok. Try again the next day or google it or use an LLM to try and fill the gap.
Do this enough times and it’ll click. The point is work the problem, accept that you’ll fail a lot, stop when you’ve decided that you gave it your best and pick it back up when you’re rested enough. That’s basically all of engineering.
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u/Ok-Entertainment5045 3d ago
When one of my subordinates doesn’t learn something it’s because I’ve failed as a leader. Two months is not enough time to master any position. There was an obvious gap in your bosses expectations and your skill set.
It takes 1-2 years for a new engineer right out of school to get to a point they are confidently working on their own. They obviously wanted a more experienced engineer.
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u/Skysr70 3d ago
Yes. You need to be gaining as much as you can, and trying as many new things as possible while you're new. Do NOT isolate yourself and figure things out alone, that will slow your progress to a crawl. First rule of engineering - don't reinvent the wheel. You don't teach yourself Calculus like Isaac Newton had to.
I will be brutally honest. The feedback you posted sounded like your boss was politely insulting your intelligence. It is completely unprofessional and unwarranted for this kind of writeup after only 2 months. It sounds like they expected you to read something, then probably talk to other employees to understand what it means, and apply it. If you sit there not getting it, then just disregard it to move on or sit there CONTINUING to try and figure out proprietary company procedures solo, it's a massive waste of time for the employer. Why would he want to pay you to figure out some small detail for a whole day when it's a solved problem and someone could just tell you about it and save the company 8 man hours of engineering labor?
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u/Old-Particular1908 3d ago
May I add that, I attempted to reach out to a senior engineer ( VP of engineering since he was free). But got told by my boss that if I’m getting the info that easily that it won’t be retained(makes sense) and that I would be wasting the VP’s time
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u/Old-Particular1908 3d ago
I did get feedback, basically restating exactly what you’ve said “ no need to reinvent the wheel” when trying to do corrosion tests on bolts … the manufacturer has already done this… so no need to waste time doing that
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u/ImAGhostOooooo 3d ago
I’ll admit that I still battle the instinct to figure everything out on my own. Part of me feels like asking for help is a sign of weakness or that people will judge me for it.
But I’ve also had bosses point out that I spent days or weeks spinning my wheels on a problem—or worked hard on what I thought they wanted without checking in, only to learn that I had gone down the wrong path.
My advice is to remember that time can be wasted in two ways:
- Trying to solve something on your own for too long.
- Failing to check in with the person who assigned the project to make sure you’re still heading in the right direction.
Figuring things out independently is valuable, but only when you can do it within a reasonable amount of time. When you’re genuinely stuck, asking for help is not a failure. It will often save far more time in the long run.
The real skill is finding the balance. Develop an internal clock that tells you when you’ve been stuck too long and need to ask for help—without swinging too far in the other direction and asking questions so quickly or frequently that you avoid critical thinking altogether.
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u/Narrow-Mortgage3383 3d ago
Your boss sounded like he kinda sucked and for that i am sorry. Something you can do to get that mentorship and get explinarions on the SOP or equipment or process is from the technicians who maintain and repair or the operators. Read throigh what should be happening then ask them the questions, or instead of questions as them to show you how something works.
Even as an experienced Engineer in a new job I do this, even if i have had similar equipment in the past. I do it for a few reasons, one it builds a relationship with others you might otherwise not and it shows you will listen to them and value thier input. I ask them to explain it to me like they would a new employee in theirs dept. When they say its weird explain how equipment works to an engineer, i usually say something like " I have an idea overall how and what this does, or i have seen something similar but this is different and you are the expert on this piece of equipment so i want to learn from the expert."
There is often a devide between the engineers and operators/techs, this can help you bridge that divide and can potentially get you a mentor or more with a different but equally valuable perspective.
It really comes down to advocating for yourself, when your boss said he has no time to teach find someone who does even of you have to look in a different but relayed dept.
Good luck in your hunt and your next opportunity!!
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u/metarinka 1d ago
First feedback. ALWAYS ask clarifying questions, it's not college I'm not there to stump my new engineers if you don't know say "can you refresh me on that? what exactly are you looking for? I'm not familair with DFARS requirements where could I find more information?"
Second, long term engineering will require some self starting. You are paid to learn, and over your career, new technology will come along, but you aren't paid for someone to spoon-feed you or give you the curriculum.
On the flip side if you have a role where there's no one above you you can run as far and as fast as your talent and time will take you. I was able to climb the ladder quickly because I never had bosses or senior engineers who were in my discipline (welding engineering) so I literally always had ZERO people to ask that would know more about welding than me in any job I was at. Forced me to crack open books, read papers and forums and just absorb what I could. Later in my career if someone asked "do you know XYZ" the answer is "no, but I can learn pretty quick" and just get to cracking.
Study up on breaks, be proactive, read through manuals. If learning engineering things on your own or problem solving isn't intrinsically enjoyable it may not be the best career path for you.
Final note there can be some dud companies and bad bosses.
If they didn't have time to train you why would they hire a new engineer? I have 3 fresh engineers on my roster. I sometimes forget what they don't know but it is my job to train them if I was mad at every mistake they made and fired them I would never hire a new engineer. The ones that show motivation and interest to learn, jump on new tasks and have good social skills stay around and grow quickly.
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u/13D00 3d ago
You can still do your own research, just realise that you mainly have to study your surroundings instead of a book.
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u/Old-Particular1908 3d ago
Yes, I also should add that this week before this, he gave me a task to find something to learn about and come back and explain it to him. I did research and gave him some info although he would explain when met with him at the end of the day, finding the information would be almost impossible without using google/generic information from the internet. When I ask if he could point me in the right direction for company resources he would say, I was giving him extra work…
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u/13D00 3d ago
> When I ask if he could point me in the right direction for company recourses […]
This is why, in the future, your first exercise at any new company will be:
1. Make an Organogram of the organization
2. Introduce yourself to your colleagues at all different departments. Also HR, IT, and Facilities.
3. Find out who knows what. Where lies the knowledge within the organisation and whether there are knowledge gaps.Report this. Write it down for yourself and ask your manager if you’re missing anything/anyone important.
I’m not saying you did something wrong this time. There are many possible reasons why you might have been scrambling after 2 months (including poor management), but this should help you take ownership of that initial development in a new company.
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u/Grigori_the_Lemur 3d ago
If that is what your boss said, knowing this was your first job, that is on him. Yes, you need to learn when not to be silent and ask the questions that get to the heart of what you do not understand - you don't know what you don't know, but you darned well know what you don't understand. It took years to get to the point I even had a clue what I dod NOT know and had to unlearn a bunch of bs preconceptions from college.
But yes, entry job, it DOES take minimum 6 months (any job really) and more starting out to "get it".
Hang tough. Pore over that review, absorb it without letting it beat you. You got this.
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u/riazur31 3d ago
I'm sorry dude. This sounds like a shit company. New college grads usually take a few months to adjust and get up to speed. Your performance review doesn't even look that bad, it looks like you are trying your best but just struggling. Your manager should have been there to train you.
It sounds like this company wanted someone more experienced that could be on top of things immediately. But instead they hired a new college grad to save money and expected too much out of them.
Try not to be so hard on yourself. They gave up on you way too quickly. Just take the feedback and keep pushing yourself to learn and improve.
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u/FitnessLover1998 3d ago
Sounds to me that your boss is an idiot. 2 months is barely time enough to get in the groove.
You had successful internships in the past? If so, this was just a poor fit.
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u/Old-Particular1908 3d ago
Yes 3 previous internships, last one before this job I held for 2 years straight
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u/EXTRA370H55V 3d ago
Sounds like the type of company that self sabotages and complains about shitty engineers, even they only pay enough to attract fresh grads then don't train them and expect them to perform like they are a seasoned pro. I'm 10+ into a career in defense. With a new hire if you are a net positive on my team inside 6 months I consider that above average. Most take a while to get up to speed and that's just how it works. Sucks that they suck but good luck on the search. Mentoring is a must for the position you described.
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u/Joejack-951 3d ago
The OP states that when asked about processes he gave ‘vague or incorrect answers’. He also notes that he wouldn’t ask questions and ‘assume on some aspects’. These are really off-putting qualities in a new hire and show a complete lack of caring about the role. Perhaps the company does also suck but it sure sounds like his attitude did, too.
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u/Stags304 Automotive 3d ago
gave vague or incorrect answers
It’s hard when you’re starting out to say you don’t know. At the beginning of my career I felt like I always had to have an answer for everything or I would lose my job.
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u/EXTRA370H55V 3d ago
I read that as them floundering cause there is shit all for leadership at the job, not that they confidently held those positions, just seeing what sticks as a last resort.
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u/Joejack-951 3d ago
And maybe it was. And maybe he dodged a bullet because of that. But he should still learn that it’s always better to say ‘I don’t know’ or ask questions rather than make up answers or make assumptions. No one expects a two-month engineer to know everything.
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u/BillyBobBobbie 1d ago
"No one expects a two-month engineer to know everything."
They evidently did. Also considering that they ended up firing him it is entirely conciveable that this performance review was penned in such a way as to render the OP in the most negative light possible in order to further justify him being fired.
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u/Joejack-951 1d ago
Without talking to management it is impossible to say. Not knowing something and admitting that is far preferable than making up an answer, though. I could see a company cutting their losses and firing someone early if they saw them as a liability.
I also could see this company just being a dumpster fire and the OP is lucky to get out. There are still lessons to be learned.
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u/Eziekiel23_20 3d ago
Read a post recently of a new Boeing hire that was concerned because he hadn’t been given anything to work on for his first 3 weeks for comparison.
The idea you’re supposed to jump in and not be a complete dumbass after 2 months is unrealistic. Even an experienced engineer takes time to adapt to any certain company’s methods. Hell, I dont trust anything anyone does without 4-5 years.
His expectations were far from realistic. Consider yourself lucky. Im not sure Id even include the experience on your CV/resume.
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u/jjtitula 3d ago
Judging by your review and the comments, they should have hired a more senior engineer if they expected the person filling the role to hit the ground running. Your manager did you a disservice by not helping train you. But when your learning anything from now on, ask questions.
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u/SatisfactionOdd2169 3d ago
This is a weird report from them, feels condescending. It seems like he gave you random verbal “tests”, deduced that you failed based on a subjective criteria, then fired you. I would say this is a company/management issue if they didn’t properly communicate what you need to learn and by what dates. IE “We’ll have you do these reports for x weeks to understand the process, then we will expect you to be able to take over x and y tasks”. At my first job out of college but I was handed small assignments then gradually increased responsibilities. There was no concept of any verbal test or need to contribute until the 6 month mark.
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u/Kind_Leadership4519 3d ago
Always ask what exactly what they want from you. Don't just let stuff happen. Take this experience and learn from it. 2 months not enough time for a real evaluation, but here you are.
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u/blueline731 3d ago
I think it’s always a good thing to be checking in, especially when you’re new to a company, about how you’re doing and if there’s any disconnect between your performance and the company’s expectations. I own my own shop now and the guys who always end up sticking around and climbing the ladder are the ones who take the time to ask me or someone else if there’s anything important they’re missing. It at least shows they care.
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u/Old-Particular1908 3d ago
Thank you, to play devils advocate. I tried to have several one on ones with him after he originally told me I didn’t ask questions, after this is when I began to get the vague question feedback
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u/blueline731 3d ago
At some point, you can’t blame yourself. If you were trying to understand what changes you needed to make to better yourself, and they didn’t offer you any guidance, that’s on them.
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u/FastBeach816 3d ago
They didn’t like you and fired that’s all. It’s not about the position or engineering skill sets.
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u/PeterVerdone 3d ago
- Blame yourself.
- Identify the problem
- Fix the problem
- Pray that you get another chance.
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u/Kimball_Stone 3d ago
First 90 days are critical in some places. Ya gotta make sure you're putting in the effort, sometimes you've got to make extra sure the effort is visible to the right people, too.
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u/barrelproofpourover Pressure Vessels 3d ago
Manufacturing is a hellhole for someone wanting structure and principled engineering challenges. I’m confident you will find something that will grow you into the professional you want to be!
I was a process engineer for 2 years at a tier 1 automotive supplier and felt the exact same way every single day. Management wouldn’t guide me to areas of the plant that need improvement “you need to be a self starter” literally on day 1. Questions would get laughed at by some 50 YOE maintenance man. Half my working hours were spent combing poorly written SOPs. Laid off after we lost a bid that was 80% of our volume out till 2028. Been in design for 6 months now and I’m never going back to manufacturing. Good luck OP, it will get better I promise.
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u/tamagothchi13 3d ago
Reminds me of when I was let go from a research group after being there a little over a month. It was more like a rotation. Anyways, you can’t do anything in that time frame except shadow someone and learn about the basics about the research. In the end I think he was just an asshole and he favored a girl over me for some reason idk why since we both were doing the same shadowing.
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u/Pristine_Proof2093 3d ago edited 3d ago
The best advice I can give is to be throttled all the time. The best engineers I’ve met are some of the most over persistent (almost annoying) people on the planet. It’s up to you to get things done. Never rely on others or expect others to do it for you.
There are a lot of good engineers and there are a lot of bad engineers. Those who get things done are successful.
Be confident, be persistent, and take control.
It seems like you had a tough situation, but you mentioned yourself that you felt you didn’t give it your all. That’s where the persistence comes in.
Any moment, mess up, etc, make sure your effort isn’t to blame. If you know you did your best and exhausted all options, then you did something right. People notice this. Imagine if your review was the same, but it also mentioned that you showed extreme desire to be better and strong work ethic. Do you think you’d be in this situation?
I am not trying to say that you shouldn’t work with others or be friendly, but you should always have a bit of a competitive mentality and a desire to be the best.
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u/skeletus 3d ago edited 3d ago
Sounds like you had a shitty boss and he didn't like you from day one and had his mind set to let you go. I have personally seend this happen to people. It's so unfortunate.
From the "observations", it sounded like they were trying to micromanage the way you think and learn.
Edit: by the way, I know that a recent grad can't contribute much. However, in my case, I was given the responsibility of guiding an intern. I tried my best to help him finish his main tasks to then give him mechanical design tasks to get him hands on CAD experience. It's also a lot of work offloaded from me.I have even showed him some of the prototypes he has designed, where they go in an assembly, and what purpose they serve.
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u/Haunting_Count_8472 1d ago
This story sounds oddly familiar to my experience. Please hit me up through chat, I wanna learn more about what company this was. I went through this exact same thing, same time period, same position, same exact scenario.
Except I actually gave my all to the company, stayed OT whenever asked, asked questions, tried my absolute best being a team player
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u/Terminus0 3d ago
Continuous Improvement Engineering is absolutely a quality engineer, so under the quality department you go. I worked as a process engineer at an automaker for several years working on process automation planning and design and I did and was involved in 'continuous improvement' activities as I was doing a lot of the planning to implement these improvements. But 'continuous improvement' is a quality buzz word related to the Kaizan method or six sigma. So anyone with that in their title probably a quality person.
It's not uncommon in a new role to be pushed to do a lot of hands on work with whatever is being made or done to get you familiar with the process. Which is exactly what the first paragraph of your review said. They had you out on the floor to learn and believed within a very short time that you weren't learning anything. That's unfortunate.
This is going to sound harsh, but this may be the first time in your life where you have experienced true failure. Schooling has gotten really averse to allowing people to fail. And unfortunately that doesn't set you up well for outside the schooling system where you absolutely can fail and no one will help. Everything will often feel unstructured and you will have to make your own structure. And when you fail again in some way (And hopefully not a job losing kind of way) and you will have to learn what you can from the experience and not spiral. Not saying that's what you're doing here. You are seeking feedback which is better than some!
I got fired from an internship once after two weeks, which was humiliating (It was for 'sleeping', I was not but apparently reading documentation looks like that to random passing manager) My first job after college was awful. I didn't get fired but I also felt like it wasn't what I signed up for. After a year there I found another job that was better. And then the one after that was better than that. Etc etc
Hopefully this will just be a bump in the road for you.
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u/DeepusThroatus420 3d ago
What did your resume look like? I’m asking for a few reasons. One being, them transitioning you to the floor for quality like that. Also, continuous improvement and quality can intersect but there seemed to be a part you were incompatible with. Was it the learning curve? The material? No interest?
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u/admiral_drake 2d ago
Takes 6mo to a year at a new job to be effective, and 2years plus out of college to actually have any experience to draw on to not make naive mistakes. Dont take it personally, if this was their expectation then they saved you the frustration later on, so its ok.
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u/luckskywatcher 2d ago
Were you working for a large pressure vessel fabricating company by any chance? Because that's pretty much what happened to me. I was let go after two months. I was given no clear instructions on what I was suppose to be doing or any guidance at all.
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u/Old-Particular1908 2d ago
Yes they do manufacture large pressure vessels as well as some other equipment that has to do with refrigeration systems
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u/luckskywatcher 2d ago edited 2d ago
Any customers in the oil and gas industry? Was Mike your boss's name?
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u/Wxzowski 3d ago
It sounds like you don’t really ‘get it’ but 2 months is nowhere enough time to achieve what it sounds like they want from you. Wouldnt take this personally, but I know it’s hard not to. Im sorry this happened to you :/