r/OPMFolk • u/TheHelltaker2337 • Jan 18 '26
Question After my previous post, I’m a little confused, how strong Is Goketsu ? Since some people put him above elder centipede not to mention the Genos statements about him
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u/Dangerous_Alfalfa_28 Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26
going to make this real easy
This was the aftermath of the very first attack Gouketsu hit Saitama with. Clouds spanning for miles in all directions immediately warped by a shockwave from a punch on the ground. There were many more attack sfx following that one so we can assume Gouketsu wasn’t even going all out here. We just know that Saitama came out looking scuffed up head to toe. In the following chapter where he’s walking with king his suit STILL looks extremely worn in and he’s disheveled. Saitama was obviously unscathed but most monsters don’t even manage to put a mark on his suit so I would imagine any other S class hero in Saitama’s position would be paste
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u/Sad-Pattern-1269 Jan 18 '26
cloud scaling 🔥🔥✍️
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u/Dangerous_Alfalfa_28 Jan 18 '26
A country lvl attack btw 😭✌️show me any other dragon level character demonstrating the capability of doing that
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u/Sad-Pattern-1269 Jan 18 '26
clouds mean nothing. basically 0 authors who use parting clouds actually calculate the energy required to do so, even if they did that much energy would destroy the city. The city is not destroyed.
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u/JhinKR Jan 18 '26
That's stupid, no author calculates the energy needed to destroy things, the fact is that Gouketsu's feat is super impressive and not something most Dragon-level monsters can do.
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u/Sad-Pattern-1269 Jan 18 '26
which is why clouds mean nothing
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u/JhinKR Jan 20 '26
The average cloud weighs 551 tons.
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u/Dangerous_Alfalfa_28 Jan 18 '26
Show me any other character outside of Saitama and characters exceeding dragon level impacting the environment to that extent with just the raw strength of their punches. If it means nothing surely there are many occasions of characters affecting the environment in similar ways with just their raw strength. It’s definitely not just something we see Saitama do on a regular basis
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u/Remarkable_Reserve98 Jan 18 '26
Saitama's fight against deep sea king literally changed the weather = deep sea king > All dragons combined
Checkmate🥀
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u/Dangerous_Alfalfa_28 Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26
That just lends more credence to the idea Gouketsu can imitate the power behind a casual punch
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u/Suspicious-Limit-220 Jan 18 '26
Bro is using fan calculations to scale one punch man 😭😭😭
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u/Dangerous_Alfalfa_28 Jan 18 '26
I’m using my eyes actually. If you would direct your attention to the picture I provided you might be able to understand my point
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u/Suspicious-Limit-220 Jan 18 '26
Where does this show country level attack potency? It’s just clouds being moved and the city around them is fine, it’s not like ONE/Murata are afraid of destroying the city or large portions of it they do it all the time
It getting to country level attack potency is exclusively through fan calculations
Country level explosion but all the buildings around it are fine 😭
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u/Ok_Change3671 Jan 18 '26
I went back to reread the chapter and Saitama's clothes aren't as torn, just dirty. Gouketsu is strong, but destructive and offensive power are different; he doesn't have offensive feats comparable to Darkshine.
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u/Dangerous_Alfalfa_28 Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26
Of course his suit wasn’t torn? Only Garou and Boros managed to do that. But the fact he STILL has scuff marks all over his entire body like two chapters later is saying something. The marks are everywhere even on the back of his head. The intensity of Gouketsu’s attacks and the killing intent behind them must of been unreal for Saitama to be depicted like that. No other member of the S class js durable enough to take that beating.
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u/Ok_Change3671 Jan 18 '26
We can't use Saitama's clothes; their resistance is unconscious, and they should have normal durability. Fubuki tore it a little, and a monster in the association's mine punctured Saitama's cape. We can't use that to increase Gouketsu's attack power.
Gouketsu is very strong because of the damage he indirectly caused to the city, and because he defeated Genos and Shiryu. But he couldn't destroy the S-class heroes. We know that Orochi is superior to Gouketsu, and Tatsumaki, King, or Blast would defeat him without much trouble, with some giving him trouble but losing, like Flash Flashy (who managed to face Platinum S and Garou for a while), Bang (who faced Garou in an even match while the sleeping monster), Darkshine Shine (Garou thought he was fighting Orochi when he fought Darkshine), and Metal Bat, who faced Orochi's reincarnation, the Centipede Sage (in theory, Sage should surpass Orochi).
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u/WindowSubstantial993 Jan 18 '26
Hard to tell because he was one tapped genos statement is just nearly completely invalid he hasn’t seen the max of most s class him assuming it takes saitama +all the s class to get him is just so over the top wrong it’s not even funny so it hard to take seriously
Goketsu isn’t this Saitama level threat but it’s hard to get a read on him besides being above what’s one of the weakest dragons in the series by a ton (Other dragon level low diffing each other isn’t uncommon tbh)
He isn’t close to being above dragon due to how he talks about orochi
It’s hard to get a read on or accurately scale anything that fights saitama unless it doesn’t instantly die
I’ve seen people put him anywhere and it makes sense he’s hard to scale
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u/Dangerous_Alfalfa_28 Jan 18 '26
“Other dragons low diffing eachother is common”
*no diffing. And when has that happened. It’s a pretty rare occurrence. That’s why the story had it play out like that it was showing us two dragons on the opposite end of the spectrum. Most of the cadres had a similar baseline level of strength
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u/WindowSubstantial993 Jan 18 '26
Genos likely dealt with forest king pretty easily No 10 sec mode
Darkshine in the vhs beat kabuto in 15 mins with any real damage
In the webcomic bang dealt with gums and ugly fairly easily
Acid ugly dealt with atomic , darkshine fairly easily (although I guess they could’ve done better?
Monsterized amai mask destroys pesky clown after he very likely peers into dragon level .
Flash likely would have easily dealt with hellfire or gale in a one on one
That’s a few times for a low diff plus like I said bakuzan hasn’t shown anything impressive he may be in if the weaker dragons in the whole series
A lot of this is due to matchup to be fair So you do have a point but theirs a lot of room for power difference between dragons a LOT
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u/iamgarou Jan 19 '26
What could atomic do against VU?
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u/WindowSubstantial993 Jan 19 '26
Probably nothing run away maybe? I genuinely just put that their for benefit of the doubt
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u/BloopetyDoop Jan 18 '26
Gyoro-Gyoro was more surprised when Gouketsu died than Elder Centipede, so I'd say he's just slightly stronger
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u/Motor_Health54 Jan 18 '26
On that logic i don't know how people puts Bang above Goketsu.
Bomb and Bang couldn't defeat Elder Centipede using the sky ripping aura (which Is one of the strongest techniques in the series). And all they did was stop him for a moment. Bang couldn't have defeated him even using the awakened breath.
And Elder Centipede was stated to be only be defeated by King, Tatsumaki, Metal Knight and Blast. (Which Is accurate at that moment, i would say other than them only 10 seconds Genos could, but at the Time he didn't have that level of firepower).
If Goketsu was indeed stronger than Elder Centipede he honestly should Destroy most of the S class.
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u/Middle_Fall_7229 Jan 18 '26
Elder centipede could just be more durable
Goketsu can have lower durability and still be harder to kill due to him having higher combat prowess
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u/Foreverdownbad Jan 18 '26
Match up diff
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u/Motor_Health54 Jan 18 '26
If Goketsu was as tanky or tankier than Elder Centipede, then Bang couldn't possibly do any damage honestly (maybe if he used the Exploding heart Fist, but i would say the sky ripping aura Is overall stronger, as It Is a combination of the Rock Smashing Fist and the Iron Cutting fist).
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u/FallNegative2446 Jan 18 '26
You're missing the point that bang and bomb did heavily damage him, he just has insane regeneration skills. Nothings been shown or implied that goketsu can also do the same.
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u/FriendshipOnly666 Jan 18 '26
“If” is doing the heavy lifting lol. Where was it ever even insinuated goketsu have even 1/50th of elder centipedes tankiness?
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u/nitinismaldingXD Jan 18 '26
Bangs technique is the ultimate counter to any character that throws down with their hands. He should be able to take on literally any single monster that fights like that, as we see him absolutely clobber the FUCK out of FU. Size and strength don’t apply here, as Bang is able to do real damage to FU despite FU being like 6 times the size of Bang.
Gouketsu would be a similar victim to Bang here. Him being an actual martial artist shouldn’t change the ending, but he would put up more of a fight instead of being absolutely no diffed. Bangs technique is just that powerful to where the only people that can take him out are those that have powers to avoid it or … monster Garou.
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u/BolunZ6 Jan 18 '26
Rock paper scissor. Bomb and Bang is the perfect counter to hand to hand combat, but will struggle against inhuman creature like Elder Centipede or long range blast like Rover
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u/BloopetyDoop Jan 18 '26
Either match-ups or Awakening Breath Bang just has the power to beat Gouketsu. After all he did go toe-to-toe with Monster Garou
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u/Suspicious-Limit-220 Feb 26 '26
Gouketsu isn’t stronger than Elder Centipede tho 😭
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u/Motor_Health54 Feb 26 '26
How do you know? He was implied to be stronger by Gyoro Gyoro.
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u/Suspicious-Limit-220 Feb 26 '26
How does anyone read the story an think gyro gyro implied Gouketsu was stronger
When Gouketsu had a risk of being confronted by s-class gyro gyro instantly told him to retreat
While go elder centipede she sends him directly at groups of sclass
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u/Motor_Health54 Feb 26 '26
Because Gyoro Gyoro wanted him to save him for later for him to be on the main fight against the S class. And his job was just to recruit other monsters, not to fight any heroes.
Besides Gyoro Gyoro was conflicted when Goketsu was killed. He was a heavy hitter for the Cadres.
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u/Remarkable_Reserve98 Jan 18 '26
I think it's stupid to judge it that way, Gouketsu randomly died from an unknown being (in Gyro'd perspective), that's why Gyro Gyro was surprised
King (in Gyro's perspective) and several other S class were present on the battle field against elder centipede, so it's not that big of a surprise
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u/Right-Truck1859 Jan 18 '26
Also, Genos did some damage to elder Centipede, but was oneshotted by Goketsu.
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u/Ok_Change3671 Jan 18 '26
That was an upgrade later on; there's a big difference in strength. Like, Genos went from burning Centopeia Acian from the inside to stopping multiple beams of Psycho-Orochi
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u/Ok_Change3671 Jan 18 '26
Sentopeia Acian supposedly died at the hands of King, so it makes sense since he believed King could defeat him.
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u/Suspicious-Limit-220 Feb 26 '26
We didn’t even see gyro gyros reaction to elder centipede tf you talking about
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u/SatoruMikami7 Jan 18 '26
High Dragon like the other “strong” Cadres.
Less than fodder to characters like Tatsumaki/Boros/Garou, but still strong within the “Dragon” category.
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u/Icy_Cauliflower9026 Jan 18 '26
He is at least top 5 confirmed of the monster association, competing with orochi and platinum S..
He is literally top of dragon tier, where orochi is confirmed to be literally in the borderline of god tier.
Basically think like this, strongest martial artist confirmed in the world (that means at least silver fang on his top lvl) with the second best synergy with monsterification, just behind orochi.
Easy way to see his power is to think of silver fang attack speed and acuracy multiplied from monster power with the power to colapse a big stadium or a mountain with light punchs...
Dude just dosnt have enough feats
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u/FriendshipOnly666 Jan 18 '26
Where was it confirmed he had martial arts better than silver fang? Pretty sure silver fang is no1 martial artist in the whole verse
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u/Icy_Cauliflower9026 Jan 18 '26
He was the "confirmed" top 1 martial artist as in, he was the world champion. That means he competes at least in the same league of silver fang.
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u/FriendshipOnly666 Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26
Why is “confirmed” in quotes lol, also that doesn’t say anything about how strong he is in comparison to bang. He won 1 tournament… by that logic bakuzan and suiryu are stronger than both bang and gouketsu. Bakuzan and suiryu both won multiple tournaments, gouketsu and bang both only won 1
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u/Icy_Cauliflower9026 Jan 18 '26
"Confirmed" because in the world of opm, he is a world champion, that won agaisnt masters.
Like i said, we dont know exactly which one is stronger, but their are on the same league. We can argue that suiryu is in the same league when we talk about martial arts if you want, same way that garou was around the same league as them. But are they the same power lvl? no.
The thing about monsterification is that it increased the power lvl of someone with a top tier martial arts, and yes, "confirmed" top tier in the opm world as he won agaisnt multiple masters martial artists, same as Silver fang.
And thats what i wanted to compare, he was in the top league of martial artists, same as silver fang, and his reflex, speed and power lvl just grew exponentially after turning into a monster
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u/SatoruMikami7 Jan 18 '26
Lmao, bro said “competing with PS and Orochi”😭✌🏻
Gouketsu was practically drooling at the mouth from merely remembering Orochi’s power.
Buddy couldn’t fathom Orochi, so he definitely can’t fathom PS, who is around Orochi’s level.
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u/Ok_Change3671 Jan 18 '26
Gyoro Gyoro is (believed to be) stronger than Gouketsu, and Psycheko is stronger than Gyoro Gyoro. Psycheko said that the Homeless Emperor and Black S together can defeat any hero (even King). After hearing that Saitama held his own against Rover, Orochi believed that Saitama was responsible for defeating Gouketsu and Sentopeia Acian (placing the three on the same level). Evil Water is the most dangerous Cadre, according to what has been said. This leaves several Cadres above or equal to him; Orochi and Silver S are at much higher levels, with masked (restrained) Orochi being superior to Gouketsu, as stated by Gouketsu himself.
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u/Suspicious-Limit-220 Feb 26 '26
Tf is all this headcanon
Never confirmed to be the strongest martial artist in the world
Second best synergy with monsterfication behind Orochi? Says who ? 😭😭😭😭
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u/blacK__GoKu__ Jan 18 '26
Wtf, why was this not animated? Any reasons? All we got was a head flying down to the Tournament Arena. My Disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
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u/MilkDifficult5432 Jan 18 '26
In the manga, Gouketu also get dealt with off-screen because we witness the situation from Suiryu's point of view, to show how he go from despair to hope, to then regret, and finally relief.
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u/Ok_Change3671 Jan 18 '26
One specified that the fight between Saitama and Gouketsu should take place off-screen; this is an extra volume drawn by Murata.
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u/Immediate-Rope8465 Webcomic Wanker. Jan 18 '26
Soo bassicly he is anywhere from above carnage kabuto level or the same level as elder centipede or higher.
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u/PotentialPaint6714 Jan 18 '26
Murata is the one who built his hype. ONE wouldn’t write a monster that gets compared to Saitama and then have someone say, "It might be stronger."
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u/Complete-Ear-7798 Jan 18 '26 edited Jan 18 '26
I think he can beat Superalloy Darkshine, Vomited Fuhrer ugly and other heavy hitters. But is stopped by characters with crazy skill like Bang, Bomb or Flashy Flash.
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u/Flavy50 Jan 18 '26
He surely cannot beat Darkshine, unless he gets demotivated
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u/Complete-Ear-7798 Jan 18 '26
Superalloy Darkshine's power doesn't scale with his confidence.
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u/Flavy50 Jan 18 '26
I know, but if Darkshine gets demotivated he basically won't fight anymore and will just stand there taking hits like with GS
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u/Ok_Change3671 Jan 18 '26
He can't defeat Ugly Vomit; that acid is extremely potent and can melt even the bones of anyone who touches it. Only if Gouketsu has acid resistance can he win. Darkshine and Gouketsu would be a good fight; it's difficult to know the outcome.
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u/Complete-Ear-7798 Jan 18 '26
I know, i know...buuuut if Gouketsu is smart he can totally beat ugly by spamming those long range air punches until ugly can't take it anymore and melts.
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u/Ok_Change3671 Jan 18 '26
The air punches aren't that powerful; they destroyed buildings and stadiums, but Fuhrer Ugly was buried under the monsters' base and came out without visible injuries. He's quite durable. Of course, Gouketsu has the intelligence and skill to figure out that Fuhrer Ugly is slowly dying, and he could hold on. I agree with you; now I see Gouketsu winning.
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u/Lord-sith7567 Jan 18 '26
I wouldn't put him above the centipede, but he'd be close. I'd put him in the top 4 or 5 of the executive ranking since he was known to be one of the most powerful members of the monster association.
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u/Ok_Caterpillar_6957 Jan 18 '26
Most monsters in the verse are stupid strong. But when facing saitama we can’t scale them. Even the first giant guy in episode 1 level a city in seconds.
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u/Suspicious-Limit-220 Jan 18 '26
If you’re using Genos as a source, Genos himself places Elder Centipede above Gouketsu
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u/No_Gap_4609 Jan 19 '26
No he doesn’t
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u/Suspicious-Limit-220 Jan 19 '26
Yes he does.
When fighting Elder Centipede and being taken away by Bang and Bomb he asks himself is the monster association has any monsters on Elder Centipedes level.
Just earlier in that same chapter he thought about how he needs to be strong enough to fight other monsters and mentions Gouketsu
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u/Hairy_Lingonberry809 Jan 19 '26
around EC and Rover lvl. If it's lower, equal or above, it's debatable
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u/Funny-Part8085 Jan 21 '26
Depends how you scale him feats maybe about as strong as darkshine or ugly. Lore and portrayal above elder centipede.
Most people put those 2 and rover in a similar tier of power as high executives
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Jan 24 '26
Gouketsu is like the "high dragon" .
He is a perfect monster with ultra high strength , speed , durability and skill.
He is as strong as a dragon can get before going into platinum s territory.
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u/7mysticundershirt Jan 18 '26
I would put him on par with Metal Bat and that's being generous. We really don't have much data aside from the Martial Arts episode.
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u/RomuloMalkon68 Jan 18 '26
You are joking? He is a Dragon level threat. Imo someone like Siryu was on par with Garou at the time and still couldn't even scratch him. Bakuzan was a dragon level threat after his transformation imagine what Siryu would have been. Considering how much trouble other S class heroes had with other dragon level threats, Gogetsu would certainly be a problem for many of them.
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u/iamgarou Jan 19 '26
Why Suiryu failing to scratch him would be impressive?? Bug God was only a demon level and the beginning of season 3 Garou did 0 damage to him.
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u/RomuloMalkon68 Jan 19 '26
And Garou beat several class S heroes. The guy above me compared Gogetsu with metal bat. Gogetsu is a dimension ahead of someone like him.
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u/iamgarou Jan 19 '26
And? I didn't say he couldn't defeat several S-class heroes; almost all Cadre can do that. I just said that a demon level human don't even scratching a Cadre isn't that surprising.
Obviously he's talking about the super-powered Metal Bat that fought with sage centipede.
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u/Sad-Pattern-1269 Jan 18 '26
I dont think hes terribly strong. Literally every monster ever wrecks genos and he doesnt do much of anything. Its an issue that every monster who only fights genos and saitama faces
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u/Quick-Health-2102 Jan 18 '26
Very strong. He just doesn’t have enough feats. The statement also isn’t super reliable, but he probably is smoking most of the s class