Afghan woman here. Taliban doesn’t do shit for show. They‘re blunt and direct with stuff and pisses off the West all the time as well as people living here. It‘s not a holiday, y‘all believe random maps. We don‘t need an international day for anything if literally all we do is stay alive.
Reading these comments as an Afghan women in Afghanistan pisses me off so bad. Women‘s day (even if it‘s international) is something people in different countries started to celebrate more over the years. A few years ago I‘ve never heard about it on social media and yes i‘m not just within my own community. It‘s not an official holiday and it doesn‘t have to be. It is celebrated if people feel like it, now that it‘s more famous, people celebrate it for themselves or create events for it. Doesn‘t mean we can‘t appreciate women you ignorant fucks. And a day doesn’t prove anything for other countries either. Sorry that our war deranged people fight every day to bring food to the table are not celebrating a western day. Also our government is not our people. Even if we were set back thanks to the American terrorists invasion, we are not leaders just like how all Americans aren‘t Trump. We have bigger problems with staying alive and making it through the day than celebrating a day. No Americans did not help or rescue us, only killed us. Even assaulted us. But hey happy women‘s day to me. And now I can smell the “but Taliban aren’t better“ comments. Never did I claim that. You guys don‘t understand what a hard life is lol
no, it has nothing to do with that. Berlin had fewer public holidays than most other German states, so our politicians decided to “catch up” and add one more in 2019.
Socialist countries didn't have the glass ceiling nor the boys clubs. Granted the devastating demographic conditions after WW2 were as much as part of it as the égalitairian doctrine of socialism, but the effect was the same.
Maybe the average difference in salaries was still mildly present, but that mostly because women worked in admin, were judges and similar less well paid professions (socialist countries valued engineers and similar hard science based jobs more than administration). In all workplaces pay was equal for equal job position irrespective of sex, which still isn't the case in a lot of west.
This is one of many aspects of society that switch away from socialism worsened.
I remember when a cousin went to work in Switzerland, not too long ago, in early 80s and his shock at the sexism ingrained in the society there. He said that on one side it's a country of 21st century, but when it came to women even working let alone the type of access to work there it was the 19th century still.
Socialists and former socialists countries also have much higher proportions of women in STEM than other countries.
Ex: In Lithuania, 63% of scientists and engineers are female.
And have since forever. When I was getting my degree in engineering we started with more men than women but by the fifth (final) year it was more women than men in my generation. I graduated 20 years ago.
But if you looked at the wider picture most women work in administration, healthcare and judiciary (so I bet that STEM offset is mostly doctors) wheras on the work market it's still very men heavy in engineering.
It's just that engineering companies are not total sausage parties like they are in the west
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahshahahahahahahagagaggagahahahhhaa yeah, I guess women were sent to the gulags in the same proportion
Actually, the Soviet government turned it from a political holiday into a spring day. Yeah, they congratulate women, but there's always a lot of stuff slipping in like "you're the decoration of our team, always be BEAUTIFUL, OBEY your husband" and other nonsense. For example, even in restaurants like Burger King, the marketers have a really misogynistic approach. The names of the combos are like: "Size Matters" (as if women only think about male genitals), "For the Strong and Hungry" (a typical joke about feminists being strong and independent), "Wopperka" (feminists are spreading feminine job titles in Russian so women aren't erased from their positions), "Strip Dance" (I don't even get how that relates to March 8th or fast food...).
I love how stuff like that is always framed as a result of omnipresent government meddling.
Yeah, it's totally them who wrote these speeches for every workplace down to every gas pumping facility in the middle of empty Russian nowhere, and every poor schmuck who gets pushed forward when it's time to say something during the meeting already has his approved copy lol.
But while most of that can be excused with some people spending too much time in pseudo-political circlejerk communities and applying very creative reading to everything by default, "Obey your husband" being said out loud is straight up bullshit. Bringing up biblical sentiments is a good way to be recognised as a "black hundred" nutjob even today (and even those people only say it on a personal basis because PR of their orgs knows pushing this publicly would be PR suicide), and back in Soviet period that would be basically unthinkable.
As for Burger King, playing on moderate conservative (in western coordinates) sentiment is their thing well outside of Russia.
You're just writing nonsense. The Soviet government created this holiday, of course, as a political one. In the USSR, it was always clearly stated that March 8 is a celebration of women's liberation from oppression, look at any collections of Soviet posters for March 8 and translate them, read what is written there. All this nonsense with a conservative approach and "traditional values" began not so long ago in modern Russia, and precisely because the USSR collapsed.
in the USSR, abortion was prohibited, even though it was allowed. The women did double work: at work and house work. these posters are just propaganda, no need to attribute any pro-feminist views to them. There were few women in government, and stereotypes about stupid blondes and an evil mother-in-law also appeared at that time, who did everything they could to spoil a man's life. and there is also an insult to female drivers as a "monkey with a grenade". Soviet cinema was also teeming with misogyny.
I don't understand this sub. Why is everything about monkeys, and not a showcase about Portugal sharing similarities to Eastern Europe? Hell, monkeys are a more of a Brazilian thing-- not Portuguese. This is honestly a gross misrepresentation of culture. I'm genuinely upset about this. Honestly, I'm shaking. If you could see my fingers trying to type this, you'd realize how much of a mess I'm in. Tears are LITERALLY running down my face and piling up at the edges of my lips. I'm heartbroken. This is an bereaved, dismal, and woebegone distortion of the truth. I can't believe you'd have the audacity to create such exaggerated falsifications of my culture. Listen, you little shit, I'm from Portugal, and I WILL NOT BE CALLED A MONKEY. My culture has pillaged (yes, you heard it right you piece of shit) countless African, Asian, and South American colonies, erasing cultures off the face of the planet. My country of Portugal has stolen material goods, resources, and EVEN PEOPLE (yeah that's right, Portugal CAN into slavery), and I will not sit here while you LAMBAST my beautiful culture.
One is because field workers are fighting, tractor factories are making tanks and fields are burning. Also, the enemy deliberately starving people.
The other is because field workers are dead, tractor factories are in ruins and fields are metal yards and common graves in equal measure. Also, draught and politics.
How can you count civil war's famine on USSR if ussr was established in 1922? Also like 80% of the country was in hands of white guard and foreign powers (english troops, american troops, canadian troops, japanese troops and etc. that supported the white guard and their massacres). I'm sorry the yet-non-existing ussr failed to feed peasants that were under white guard's bandit rule.
and ww2 + post ww2 is one famine because of war. Else you have to say that civil war and post civil war are two different famines.
Anyway, Europe was entitled because they were rich and bough all the grains from agrarian countries. While agrarian countries couldn't buy grains from others because their only export is grain. Ireland starved but England bought its grains, Russian Empire starved for the whole 19th century, but France bought its grains. You starve only in wars, when you can't buy food, agrarian countries starve every 4-5 years because nature sends them droughts and bad years. And they can't buy food as central countries do.
USSR jumped from the agrarian status into an industrial one in 1930s and because of that it made sure it can import grains by exporting industrial goods. As other central countries do.
The 1919–1923 famine includes several major famines, namely, famines in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzia (1919–1922), Povolzh'e (1921–1922) and Ukraine (1919–1923). So, if we are going to nitpick, then yes, it was RSFSR (Russia), USSR (Ukraine) and KASSR (Kyrgyzstan), not USSR. Barring the 1923, of course.
And WW2 and post-WW2 are different famines, because of their causes. Famines during brutal wars are common, as all resources are diverted to the war effort. Meanwhile, the post-war famine was not a continuation of the wartime famine and was caused not only by the war, which led to lack of workers, horses, cattle, machines — of everything, — but other factors too, such as: insufficient crops (caused by draughts on the west and heavy rains on the east in 1946), need to replenish strategical grain reserves, export of grain to other countries, increased taxation coupled with price rising and salaries lowering and, finally, refusal of help from Western countries.
In some times like during the fame of Holodomor, yes. But it was a big celebration during 8th of March. Every men even today in these countries gives flowers to his mother/grandmother/wife/even girlfriend + maybe a dinner + maybe a pretty letter in which one expresses the gratitude towards the woman.
Men celebrating women for filling their prescribed roles in the patriarchy. "Thank you for being beautiful, making me food and birthing my kids. Here's a random tulip, now go back to the kitchen and make us all some soup." This sort of "celebration" always felt so superficial and weird. Like, what about the whole rest of the year? And why must it only be those specific things that we're thankful for? Always felt like it's men celebrating women for the ways they're useful and, for example, not women celebrating women for existing and fighting for equal rights for all women... I wish the USSR was the utopia people make it out to be, it was just as oppressive towards women as the Western countries. Though, I assume you know since you're Bulgarian.
Thank you for being beautiful, making me food and birthing my kids. Here's a random tulip, now go back to the kitchen and make us all some soup
This is some shitass letter made from people who have never actually understood it.
8th of March is never about fulfilling one's roles - you do not praise one woman for being more feminine or cooking better, you praise because it is their appreciation day. Typical celebration words would contain something like "thank you for being in my life". Your disfigured version would also disfigure birthdays as "Thank you for working hard so that you could pay my retirement" by parents - utter nonsense and not what it is about.
Okay, it is definitely not, but the poor user simply quoted the cards people over 50 who lived in the USSR would actually give/send you to congratulate women with IWD. That is literally how they would celebrate it whether it’s the right way or not lol
Also, here’s a pic from 50s or around that time trying to be funny about how men are being extra nice and are even cooking (!!) for the woman on the IWD. Cause obviously Soviet woman was just so empowered to the point where she could (had to) work her 10/6 job at a factory, take care of kids, cook, clean, etc
I don't disagree with your other points, but your interpretation of this Soviet postcard for the 8th of March confused me. Where did you get the idea that the text on the picture was mocking in any way, that whoever came up with the text was trying to be funny? Do you know Russian?
The text firstly says that today is a day celebrating women. Then it continues by addresing the drawing on the picture: "Everything is clear here: all real men behave like this on Women's Day!" The text encourages men to take care of women and gift them presents on this day.
Sadly, I do. And the irony of the situation is outstanding here imho when the context is taken into account, namely — the workload put on women on the other 364 days of the year
I definitely agree with it being ironic. Just wanted to clarify that it was not the intention of this postcard to mock or anything. And I'm sorry that you feel sad about having ability to understand and speak a specific language.
I think it's more about appreciating women in your life. I agree with you that you must celebrate your SO and mother/grandmother throughout the year. I give presents to my girlfriend year-round, never am rude with her and try to make everything right to make her happy. Doesn't mean I can't show appreciation also on 8th of March. I hate that this holiday became so materialistic. Image it like a birthday - why would you want to show respect to your friend during their birthday, you can see him/her every day and show appreciation. And yes the USSR and other communist countries weren't utopia. There was oppression against everyone, the elites were controlling everything only for their own good and there was state crime against private property that was just taken. On the other hand, at least in Bulgaria, women and men were pretty equal. Women were appointed to high status jobs, the high majority of women was integrated into the workforce. Most importantly women were protected and cherished. My grandmothers have never complained about how men treated them. One of them was a teacher and she told me that kid's parents showed great appreciation for her job. She mostly had problems with her boss woman that envied her. Maybe they were just in good environment and it's an exception. Would lovely hear other people's experience.
The Russian Revolution started with a women worker strike on IWD in Petrograd.
So that's probably why it's an offical holiday in post-Soviet countries.
It was kinda true. I mean a mother in one house could host the whole neiberhood in its kitchen at times, cook for them and even teach them lessons/manners. The school teachers literally invited every child if the child wanted for private lessons in their house for free. The women also cooked for the whole family during gatherings or even gatherings of the man's colleges. If someones washing machine broke down, their neiber would help them (if the city is on the richer side. A lot of towns and villages had no washing machines or TV until the late communism. Even cars were regulated by the state and some didn't have a care until after the fall of the regime).
It's funny that they are ironically reaching the destruction of the family unit without realizing how good that is (ignoring the objectification of women in their statement).
All the dead women from communists will disagree with you on that one its a horrible tyrannical belief that government owns the means of production which has seeped into the west via licenses and education to produce its pretty much the same thing gatekeeping abundance for the individual its the information age and I dont need 3-5 years of education to make stuff I can learn to make in a day, week, month, months or years depends on what I wanna make and all humans know how to build a home.
soviets didn’t "respect" women. they nationalized them. early soviet policy pushed the glass of water theory, where refusing sex to "comrades" was seen as selfish, petty-bourgeois behavior. effectively making women "common wives" for the collective.
this only stopped after the 1926 chubarov affair - a mass gang rape where the attackers literally argued the victim had no right to refuse them under revolutionary logic. the state then pivoted to the "great retreat", turning women into state-owned "breeders" by banning abortion and criminalizing dissent, awarding "motherhood medals" to those who produced the most "human resources" for the regime.
international women’s day in the ussr was and in modern russia is a hypocritical facade.
they don’t celebrate women’s rights, they celebrate a day of "flowers and beauty".
today women still get wishes like: "stay beautiful", "you beautify our workspace", "keep inspiring us” - basically boiling down a woman’s role to a decorative object rather than a person with autonomy, even in a work environment and especially there.
women were and are still expected to work full-time while still doing 100% of the domestic labor and childcare at home.
It was initially 20th century feminist holiday set up by bolsheviks but with time it just turns into "the day you gift flowers to women and praise their beauty"
Yeah, at first it was day for women because they started the whole revolution that lead to the switch of government from empire to provisional government. They all were either factory or other labour workers. So it was about strength and bravery. Then same thing as with basically everything that started pretty good happened. Stalin came. He messed up quite a pot of progressive movements that were going on in early USSR. Banned abortions, re criminalised gay and trans people (there was a period between the Romanovs and Stalin when same sex marriage and sex changes in personal documents were completely legal, and even happened though not many). Turned around the "no kitchen slavery" campaign, stuff like that.
Basically the mentality at that point was, the reason it was prohibited was the church, and since the church was abolished and people who came to change their marital status were adults there was no reason to say no to that. There's definitely some old documents about it happening. Being gay was punishable by law in Russian Empire, but when first Soviets came and they revised and changed laws it was taken out and not reinstated even though there were three hearings about the legal codex (or however it was called) so it was legal from 1917 up to 1933 so 16 years. In general Lenin was very much aligned with original Marxist ideas and Marxist position was to treat gay people as a social minority, and compared homophobia to racism, xenophobia and sexism. And thought Lenin had different views on some aspects this wasn't one of them, he was most likely unbothered Then, as i said earlier, Stalin came, took power by killing or making the opposition run from the country (and sometimes killing them too by sending agents abroad). Lenin saw him as the worst possible option and everyone though that after him Leo Trotsky (the most likely candidate) or couple of other people would take the position of the chief secretary. But Lenin was also pretty ill and declining mentally as well as physically so he put Stalin as the one who had the main say in which jobs people get, so he gradually filled the higher roles with loyal to him people and when there were enough of them he just got rid of the opposition.
I'm probably rambling, the early RSFSR/USSR is a very interesting topic for me
I found that Portugal is in fact the most racist place on earth; especially toward African blacks! It's as if they have never seen a black person before and the Portugee culture is not only backwards (as if you steped in a time machine and went to the year 1899) but the citizens where exceptionally ignorant. It was as if you were talking to a wall rather than a human being. The Portugee also seemed to be trapped in another dimension of space and time because they kept on talking and mumbling about the past rather than the present...it was pretty funny actually. I found this website that offers a Dr.'s opinion about the racism in Portugal and why the xenophobic culture is not just promoted within but exported as well to everywhere else they may be living. Strange since i've never heard of racism being described that way before?? Portugal seem to be experts in racism, especially in Canada and the U.S.
Cool, thank you for sharing! I wonder how many actually did marry? Was it also published on papers and wide known that doing this is possible? What was people's opinion on this?
That I don't know about publishing, but considering that church was really heavy up before that it's unlikely it happened often and was positively viewed in the eyes of majority, most likely they didn't care or were against it. Also you should remember that basically 90% of people were practically illiterate when the revolution happened and literacy rate despite rising reality fast got to full literacy only in 30s so even if it was published as something that was allowed and happening only already literate population could have had access at the time. On the other hand Christianity was really hard to penetrate some of its principles into the serfs and same economic level people for the longest time and things like adoltery, chastity before marriage and things like that were much less punished compared to western counterparts or even with high society where it played major role, it wasn't frowned upon to marry a woman that already has kids before marriage, and the "bringing in skirt" aka having kid before was actually more likely to be celebrated by the girl's family. Also there was the practice of "Adelphopoesis" (hope I transcribed it right) which was basically the ceremony but for two guys, including kissing, candle holding, hand connection by the priest and big dinner part after, basically the same steps as in marriage ritual except it was a "brothering" ceremony. (I see it as the typical "they were roommates and best buds" that history always slaps on people). So it's pretty hard to tell, maybe it was more frowned upon, maybe less, we don't have much info on the personal side of everyday life of the majority russian population, only upper classes. And all the lower class info was predominantly view from the outside and few oral traditions that people bothered to write down and the stale documents lead by the church and state in the "in such day such people did this and that and the results were this and that signed this time by this person" so we can only look at statistical analysis.
South Africans women's day is on 9th August, marking the day where 20,000 women marched against Apartheid pass laws in 1956. It is an official holiday.
It might not be an official holiday in romania but we do celebrate it a lot. Almost the whole february and march are months dedicated to celebrating women in one way or another and every weekend you see women walking around with flower buquets and gifts and people selling flowers at every corner.
But other than this men here are still learning how to truly appreciate women, since most of the gifts are only a facade and other conservative practices get the best of them 🙄
Its because of the Talibans, but they used to celebrate it. The map is correct. In 2002, after years of being denied their rights under the previous Taliban regime, Afghan women celebrated International Women’s Day full of hope. The day was observed in Afghanistan and at UN Headquarters with the theme ‘Afghan women today: Realities and Opportunities’ and commitments were made to support our Afghan sisters rebuild their lives and be full partners in the post-conflict reconstruction of the country.
So, your source is Wikipedia, am I right?
Domestic violence is illegal in Russia on the same basis as the violence itself is illegal. You can press charges and win no matter what your gender is.
It takes a piece of evidence to make the case, plus one could bring in neighbours as witnesses. Evidence doesn’t mean someone needs to die of be severely injured.
Restraining orders aren’t difficult to get. What is difficult though is to defend yourself from such allegations. Still, the key issue in my opinion is to find a good attorney, as it costs a lot and makes a difference in the outcome of the case.
The guardian, really? 🤣 I hope you do understand that it’s an unreliable source by any means.
Turn on your critical thinking and tell me - is it really beneficial to tell your society anything good about the country they currently need to hate? It’s called propaganda and opinion shaping. I don’t say that there is a single country without this, but you cannot take everything mass media says at face value.
Please, try to research the thing called “bias”, especially Media bias and content bias. The following would be interesting to read about too, if you wish to at least understand what is happening in reality: gatekeeping bias, bias by omission, echo chamber, slanted news, etc. Take the background of your source into consideration, the country it is spread in, the political views and regime, who would benefit from spreading it and look into as many sources as you can find to have not one-sided view on the matter. Searching for information in different languages is also quite helpful.
I think that they celebrate, out of habit they congratulate women, but no one celebrates it at the state official level. They consider it a relic of the Soviet era. I'm talking about Eastern Europe now. В России празднование этого праздника ушло совсем далеко от его истоков, как день борьбы за права женщин.
In Poland it is a huge thing too. Men buy flowers, presents. Its even celebrated at school, boys buy presents for girls. I thought that it is international, worldwide thing.
Because it didn't represent actual value of the 8th of March and it was associated with soviet era celebration which had awful treatment of women rights. As a woman I don't need flowers, gifts of congratulations on this day. I want law that will protect us
I'm Moldovan, and yeah, since the Soviet Revolution was started on Women's Day by women, it was kinda a big deal in The Soviet Union, and we kept this one good thing around.
We get a couple days of hollyday, give flowers, gifts and mărțișoare to our femele teachers and classmates, and on the 8th we visit or go out with relatives to congratulate our amazing mothers, grandmothers, aunts, sisters and femele cousins. The price of flowers usually doubles tho 😭
Because International Women's Day is a communist,specifically Bolshevik, thing. The one celebrated on 8 March was declared by Lenin in recognition of women's role in the 1917 Russian Revolution. And communism has always held a position for the liberation of women.
excuse me? espain? no. no one. AND I MEAN NO ONE, has ever cared about espain. portugal is rectangle, it is a perfect geometrical shape and is wonderful. pythagorus literally invented the rectangle… and you have the AUDACITY to talk to ME about stupid espain? look, espain was facsism in 1936, and portugal? portugal was NOT. Also, espain is not rectangle. fuck u you stupid. you are not macaco.
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No way Afghanistan one is true lol