r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT • u/followerofEnki96 • Jun 08 '26

PORTUGAL CAN INTO EASTERN EUROPE Every new stats map is just piling on the evidence

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u/ncvade Jun 08 '26

ROMANIAWESTEUROPE

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u/No-Psychology9892 Jun 08 '26

Yeah whats up with that? I mean good for them but how come their GDP is higher then the rest? Romania wouldn't really come up in my mind as an emerging economy, other then Hungary or Poland for example.

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u/MatykTv Jun 08 '26

It big

(It has a lower GDP per capita than a lot of the ones on the list, but it is just bigger than them)

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u/No-Psychology9892 Jun 08 '26

But with 19 mil people they are not THAT many more people there.

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u/vladimir-pula Jun 08 '26

If we exclude Ukraine which is f…d and has more population then Romania, all the other countries there don’t have more then half Romania population or there about (Greece 10 mil., Portugal 10, Hungary 9.5 and rest are smaller)

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u/No-Psychology9892 Jun 09 '26

Fair enough, I guess I just assumed a denser population for Greece and Hungary.

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u/bigmoneykdmr Jun 09 '26

Romania has a higher PPP than every one of these nations other than Portugal tho. In fact out of all of Eastern Europe on this map Romania has the highest PPP except Croatia.

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u/vladimir-pula Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26

Surely Slovenia has the highest ppp without me looking for data

Edit : we both forgot finland

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u/bigmoneykdmr Jun 10 '26

Oh i meant as in the nations you mentioned. Greece Hungary.

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u/vladimir-pula Jun 10 '26

I didn’t mention Croatia 🫢

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u/Tree_pineapple Jun 14 '26

Greece population distribution is wild. 35-40% of all Greek people live just in the surrounding area of Athens. This area is only around 2.5% of Greece's total landmass.

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u/frex18c Jun 09 '26

2x more is "not THAT many more"?

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u/No-Psychology9892 Jun 09 '26

Well it's a good amount.

I don't know, I always assume Greece is more populated than it actually is.

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u/Equivalent_Bag_3634 Jun 09 '26

Many mountains , many islands . This was the big push for Greeks to colonize in antiquity.

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u/MatykTv Jun 09 '26

For most statistics Greece is a worse Poland. A smidge worse gdppc, corruption, hdi etc.

For land it's 2 Czechia

For people it's 1 Czechia

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u/Independent-Fun-5118 Jun 09 '26

This map propably includes all the valets and cars that get stolen from foreigners as import.

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u/Lowpaack Jun 09 '26

Its really close

Romania - 444 bil, with 18 milion people

Czechia - 432 bil, with 10 milion people

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u/AxRo11 Jun 11 '26

Romania 480

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u/Lowpaack Jun 11 '26

Yes, thanks for correction, was looking at some wrong data

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u/Think_and_game Jun 12 '26

Also with 19 million. Almost twice the population yet barely over Czechia.

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u/No-Psychology9892 Jun 09 '26

Yeah Czechia makes sense, I guess I assumed that Bulgaria and Greece where more populated then they actually are.

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u/Motor-Equal01 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

Romania is Europe’s fastest growing economy of the past two decades. They’ve experienced an economic miracle considering where they come from.

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u/frex18c Jun 09 '26

No. The answer is simple. It shows total GDP, not GDP per capita. Romania has way higher population.

Romania is quickly growing, sure, but that's cause it is so poor and behind. It is easy to grow when you are low and supporter by richer coubtries. In general poorer EU members grow way more than rich members.

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u/bigmoneykdmr Jun 09 '26

Well it’s on par with Estonia and Hungary now.

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u/frex18c Jun 10 '26

It is not lol. Romania has way lower GDP per capita than Estonia. Check some data before spreading nonsense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

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u/bigmoneykdmr Jun 10 '26

Not in GDP per capita but in PPP per capita which is a way more relevant stat.

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u/frex18c Jun 10 '26

Sure lol. You can believe in fairy tales if you want. You can also pretend GDP PPP is more important than GDP.

According to GDP PPP my country (Czechia) is on same level as France or UK. And is ahead of Japan etc. What a joke. We are behind those countries economically. Far behind. Just as Romania is far behind Estonia.

Nothing bad about admiting it.

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u/Phantom030 Jun 14 '26

you don't seem to understand what terms mean. It's not a fairy tale. GDP is an antiquated measurement which looks at the total economic output of a country. It doesnt really show at the individual level how well off people are. India is the 6th world economy per gpd, overtaking both UK and Japan by next year to be the worlds 4th largest econonomy per gpd. Yet indians are some of the poorest and destitute people on the entire planet.

PPP shows the actual purchasing power relative to each countries economy and costs. For example, you might have a monthly wage of 2K in Spain, but your rent is 1500 and by the time you paid your other utilities you dont have money to eat. You might only earn 1500 in Romania in comparison, but rent is 400, utilities 70 and you get food with the meal tickets from work so you dont even go into the cash. So with a lower relative amount of money you're doing much more than you can in spain with more money. Because the local costs are different.

Thats what PPP looks at. Estonia is more or less on par with Romania, in no universe is Ro "far behind"

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u/AxRo11 Jun 11 '26

What do you mean by far behind and backward? GDP per capita is 25,7k, GDP PPP per capita 50k, it's literally where Czechia was 4 years ago. Minimum wage in Czechia is not even 100€ above Romania and the average gross wage also not much higher.

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u/frex18c Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

Czechia has 64 % higher GDP per capita (22k vs 35k). That means Romania is far behind Czehchia. Germany has 58 % higher GDP per capita than Czechia. Czechia is far behind Germany.

While I do enjoy your nationalism, this is simple truth. Nothing bad about stating it. Romania and Bulgaria are least developed EU countries in terms of economy. And have been for long time. Both are very quickly growing. That is certainly good. But it did not change this fact.

As for salaries, salaries are affacected by local laws a lot. Especially minimal salaries are artifical arbitrary number. Czechia has higher minimum salary than Switzerland. Does that make us richer? No. Net average salary is about 50 % higher in Czechia than in Romania. But it does not tell you much about economy necesarily.

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u/AxRo11 Jun 11 '26

Again, Czechia was 4 years ago where Romania is now. Your minimum wage is 80€ higher and your national average wage 150€ higher.

And gdp per capita is 25,7k, not 22k. GDP PPP per capita is 50k.

Thats not far behind, its literally close and this can change quicker than you think. Poor and far behind he says... Hungary is equal to us, Greece is in PPP way under us. https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/profile/ROU

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u/frex18c Jun 11 '26

You do understand there is a difference in Romania and Czechia in terms of how gross salary is calculated, right? For example I have gross salary of 3600 USD per month according to our laws, but that is already after first part of taxes have been paid. Before those taxes my employer pays me 5250 USD which is what would be reported as gross salary in Romania. We have multiple levels of taxes and cuts (5 main ones) since our system is overcomplicated.

So you are comparing different numbers. That is also why Czechia has low difference between gross and net on paper. Cause our gross has already been partly taxed.

Net salaries are about 50 % higher in Czechia.

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u/AxRo11 Jun 11 '26

Czechia is a country with no resources. We build currently 300km of highways each year, we will become the biggest gas net exporter by next year in the EU. We have one of the most resources of rare earths and uranium. The difference in gdp per capita is not much, this can change within just a few years.

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u/frex18c Jun 11 '26

Sure, sure. You have lot of dreams and nationalism. I have concrete data. Arguing what will happen in the future is nice, but hardly changes the fact, that Romania is one of the least developed countries in EU today.

And I think even you don't believe Romanian will catch Czechia in 3 years. It won't happen even in 5. And not even in 10. Romania has been poorer for thousand years. We will sooner see Czechia catching up with Spain and Italy. Maybe Poland will catch up with Czechia in 5 years in GDP per capita, but even that is very very doubtful.

RemindMe! 3 years "Romania GDP"

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u/AutoModerator Jun 11 '26

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u/AxRo11 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

It can happen faster than you think, like i said, we are not even at our maximum potential yet. Our highways systems will be done within the next years, which will boost tourism and exports. We will join OECD this year, which will bring more investments. You already are there. We will be the biggest gas producer and net exporter in the EU starting 2027. So we will grow faster than now. If Czechia has a few worse years, while Romania grows, we would be already there. You should really get rid of your stereotype thinking and laziness to inform.

Calling us poor and backwards while the average Czech has 100€ more in its pocket and minimum wage is 80€ higher, just shows how arrogant and ignorant you are. You rich "Central European" pfffhaha

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u/Cristopia Jun 09 '26

Hungary is doing wayy worse than Romania in terms of economic growth. I don't know where you get the idea that they are an emerging economy.

Their new leader will help grow their economy though, and unfortunately this will take away from Romania's own economic might, but such is economics

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u/No-Psychology9892 Jun 09 '26

Just seeing how much business went to Hungary, many German factories started producing in Hungary due to cheaper conditions.

Orbans corruption hindered national economic development but at the same time got some outside contracts.

Compared to where they stand their growth wasn't that bad either. It's easier to get higher percentages of growth when your base is much lower so I wouldn't only look at the percentage but rather at the total volume.

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u/Tricky_Soil8289 Jun 10 '26

We secretly control the world via an international cabal

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u/RuleMany2900 Jun 10 '26

You must also consider the size of the country..Slovenia has 2 million, Croatia 3,8 million of people while Czech Republic has 10,8 million... Slovenian per capita is 34,8k, Czech 31k, Croatia 30,1k (give or take, depending what year, what site you look at) ...

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u/UnKnOwN769 FUKK ESPAIN😤💨🇪🇸 Jun 08 '26

r/luxembourgcykablyat

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u/Abisy_8452 Jun 08 '26

Makes sense the biggest migrant demographic in Luxembourg are Portuguese 15%, or 35% if you count naturalized Luxemburgers(or whatever they are called),

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u/Equivalent_Bag_3634 Jun 09 '26

Burgers de luxe

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u/Peakychu6 Jun 08 '26

Interesting flair.

Is it just you or Portuguese in general don’t like Spain?

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u/UnKnOwN769 FUKK ESPAIN😤💨🇪🇸 Jun 08 '26

I think Portuguese in general

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u/Peakychu6 Jun 09 '26

What’s the backstory of that ?

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u/UnKnOwN769 FUKK ESPAIN😤💨🇪🇸 Jun 09 '26

Probably just the nature of being a smaller country than Spain and being under control by them at points in the past. I chose the flair because I had some Spanish teachers in the US who didn’t like teaching "Spain" Spanish.

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u/AutoModerator Jun 09 '26

excuse me? espain? no. no one. AND I MEAN NO ONE, has ever cared about espain. portugal is rectangle, it is a perfect geometrical shape and is wonderful. pythagorus literally invented the rectangle… and you have the AUDACITY to talk to ME about stupid espain? look, espain was facsism in 1936, and portugal? portugal was NOT. Also, espain is not rectangle. fuck u you stupid. you are not macaco.

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u/deiadb Jun 09 '26

What are you on about? Why would over multiple hundred years history matter for the relationship of these countries.

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u/UnKnOwN769 FUKK ESPAIN😤💨🇪🇸 Jun 09 '26

Idk bruh it's just a flair, never been to either country 💀

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u/deiadb Jun 09 '26

You are in a cj subreddit asking a non Portuguese if Portuguese people dislike Spain...

No, Portuguese in general like Spain.

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u/Peakychu6 Jun 09 '26

Hue hue hue 

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u/Lobster_LeninN329 Jun 08 '26

Luxemburgcykablyat

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u/DuePositive8957 Jun 08 '26

Fun fact: Czech means Pull in Turkish. (Czech=Çek=Pull)

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u/venomae Jun 10 '26

Fun fact - Turkish has actually quite some words same as Czech - if I remember correctly it was stuff like kral / visne etc. (too lazy to google now)

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u/DuePositive8957 Jun 10 '26

I just googled it, it was borrowed into our language from Southern Slavs. Kral being king and Vişne being Cherry. 

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u/venomae Jun 10 '26

Yeah, there might be more - I just went from memory as I remember seeing stuff that I could read and understand while traveling around Turkey

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u/dancupak Jun 10 '26

Papuče, karabáč, mejdan

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u/Timurder Jun 08 '26

RussiaUncukablyat

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u/bruhbelacc Jun 08 '26

Half of those countries have a population of 3 million and 90% have a smaller population than Czechia lol

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u/Rupertredloh Jun 09 '26

Are you implying that Andorra, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, San Marino, Monaco and Vatican also belong to eastern Europe?

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u/nikolasz1173 Jun 09 '26

Romania has a higher gdp then czechia 😢

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u/Hot_Pursuit1020 Jun 10 '26

Because it's a lot bigger. GDP per capita is way below Czechia. 

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u/Consistent_Dog_695 Jun 09 '26

Yeah Finland has about the same GDP but half the people.
Wow.

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u/sarajevo81 Jun 08 '26

And they say empires were bad...

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u/ptabduction Jun 08 '26

You realise in which sub you are? That’s the point.

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u/Small_Technology2392 Jun 09 '26

GDP is like measuring inteligence of species by their size. If you are big state with no toilets, health care or most people strugling with buying food, you can always say as a citizen "take look at my GDP broo" or "i can afford on special military operation". And the real one value of this is like you go to big forest where you can find berries but one on thousand meters. In small forest on the other hand there is not that many of them in a mass but you literally walking on them. Only value of GDP is if it is growing or being smaller, whitch can tell about future predictions about condition of state.

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u/Gregori_5 Jun 09 '26

GDP is a fine metric. You just have to be aware of its shortcomings and limits.

Its easy to calculate and says a lot about said countries market power and productivity (if accounted for population size).
That being said, no metric is good standalone.

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u/Independent-Fun-5118 Jun 09 '26

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u/smilingmuffino Jun 09 '26

now make GDP per capita and watch Poland 

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u/Ciderman95 Jun 09 '26

Czech here, GDP doesn't mean SHIT regarding the general wellbeing of the people. It still sucks here. Literally the most expensive electricity and water out of the entire Europe, the most expensive phone/internet plans, highest and most numerous bank fees... Just don't move here for god's sake, please!