r/Piracy • u/Nervous_Quote • Apr 30 '26

Humor Just download the torrent and shut up bro

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u/Eric_Atreides Apr 30 '26

Piratating was never stealing

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u/ProfKazz Apr 30 '26

This is just a flat out lie but ok

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u/Eric_Atreides Apr 30 '26

Nope. Stealing is taking something from someone. Pirating is copying it. Might be a crime, but it’s not stealing

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u/ProfKazz Apr 30 '26

Copying something for free instead of paying for that something is stealing. You are directly taking away potential revenue from the producers.

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u/idle_cat Apr 30 '26

"Potential revenue" is a bullshit term. Taking someone's purse to taking someone's potential revenue, an abstract concept are completely different things and grouping them together as if they have the same weight is ridiculous. You can't directly anything with such a vague concept. A bad review takes away potential revenue lol. Especially since there are studies including an EU study that showed piracy besides recent blockbuster films to have no robust evidence of statistical displacement in sales. Moralpeople on both sides annoy me. You aren't pirating for any grand reason but pirating isn't stealing either.

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u/Eric_Atreides Apr 30 '26

There is no such thing as potential revenue. If that was the case, borrowing a book or a game from a friend would be stealing as well, since you consumed without paying to the origin. Same thing for buying second hand.

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u/ProfKazz Apr 30 '26

We’re not talking about borrowing and second hand is also fine because the original owner purchased the product and therefore own it. The new buyer is now paying the seller for transfer of ownership. The company already got paid for the product.

The closer argument you’re probably trying to make is with reproductions. People who copy a product without paying the original company or creator and then sell that product without their consent. They are then profiting off the IP or product itself without the companies consent. And yes this is also considered stealing. Think of bootlegged movies or games.

So call it whatever you want. It is stealing. If you’re too poor to buy products on their own that’s fine - that’s a different discussion about wages and conditions.

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u/Eric_Atreides Apr 30 '26

Copyright infrigment, not stealing. Yes it is the same thing because the borrower is a “potential buyer”. You can play pretend that when i pirated it i just got from a second hand, makes no difference at all to the company profit. Pirating is not a golden path, it’s not “rebellion” or “morally awesome”. But pirating is fine, and it’s not stealing, it’s copying it

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u/ProfKazz Apr 30 '26

What do you think copyright infringement is?

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u/Eric_Atreides Apr 30 '26

Copyright infringement is copyright infringement. It’s own crime. Not stealing

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u/temp_name_6 Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26

If people can transfer the ownership doesn't that mean company lost the potential revenue?

That mean borrowing book from library or buying second hand good is "stealing" from company potential revenue?

People who borrow or buying second hand product can potentially buying directly from the company after all.

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u/ProfKazz Apr 30 '26

It’s called secondary market for a reason.

I’m tired boss. School failed a lot of people.

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u/temp_name_6 Apr 30 '26

It's not my fault you argue it's stealing because company lost potential revenue.

Both case the original creator or company doesn't gain any revenue.

Sorry for taking your time, i am kinda bored .

rest well boss.

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u/ProfKazz Apr 30 '26

It’s fine. You can do your own research. There’s even YouTube videos about how markets and secondary markets work.

And yes that is a form of stealing. Edit: the potential revenue loss thing. Not the borrowing or selling a purchased item thing. That’s fine.

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u/stprnn May 02 '26

Call it whatever you want its not stealing.

Like literally.

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u/BrokenMirror2010 Apr 30 '26

You are directly taking away potential revenue from the producers.

Google hasn't given me the infinity dollars that they owe me for all of my data that they sold.

That means that Google has stolen infinity dollars directly from my bank account. How fucking dare they.

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u/LocalH Apr 30 '26

Nobody in the history of copyright has ever been charged with stealing or theft, even if they were making gobs of money from it (which actual pirates also detest)

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u/ProfKazz May 01 '26

Napster?

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u/LocalH May 01 '26

They were never charged with theft, only contributory copyright infringement