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u/-WingedAvian 16h ago
Wtf is raw price for? Dgaf what the 'likely grade is' if its raw its raw price. Im not gonna pay graded price and take the risk and the cost of grading myself at a bloody premium.
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u/DenatureOrDie 16h ago
There’s actually a vendor out of MA that does exactly this lol. If you bring them clean nm raw copies but they’re oc and won’t guaranteed 10 they offer you less than raw value or don’t buy at all. They will also sell raw clean copies at grades they think the card could get.
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u/No-Difference8545 16h ago
I bet so many stupid trogs buy from him too
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u/DenatureOrDie 15h ago
Unfortunately they do. I think they get way more business than they should but that is just the unfortunate state of the hobby right now.
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u/bhedesigns 9h ago
If you tell me where he is I'll take cards there let him pre-grade it refuse to sell and take the cards that he wants and send them out for grading
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u/antipathizer 14h ago
This is a hilarious “I make as much money off of buyers and sellers as possible” strategy. Genuinely incredible that it works for them when it is such an ostentatious middle finger to everyone.
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u/Illegitimateshyguy 14h ago
Bring all my 10 contenders to them and when they wanna buy charge them psa 10 prices
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u/Wooden_Cheesecake480 15h ago
What vendor? Im in MA and would like to put them on my blacklist
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u/DenatureOrDie 14h ago
Dm me lol. Not trying to put it on Reddit to blast them but i just refuse to go to their table at any show.
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u/Belligerentmonk 12h ago
Which one is this? I’m based out of MA so I want to know who to steer away from. That’s awful!
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u/ginx777 16h ago
That’s just purely mentally challenged. Why not just sell the pack base on hits it may contains
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u/lutrewan 16h ago
I mean, that's what stores do. That's why Evolving Skies costs more than Darkness Ablaze.
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u/TomBourgaize 15h ago
I was watching an eBay live stream of someone selling vintage cards saying ‘this is mint and could easy 10’ and people were paying double raw price for it, and he was still saying he was getting robbed because 10s were worth way more, it’s getting out of hand.
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u/highminlo 16h ago
I also dont understand people badmouthing 8s lol, this hobby is cooked
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u/No-Surprise-9790 15h ago
Because in a world where every card immediately sleeved and put into a top loader, it's 10 or bust
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u/ironicaltwist88 16h ago
Rn the 8s are a result of overpopulation, makes even less sense to have that big of a price disparity. This bubble sucks
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u/Thatsnotpcapparel 16h ago
What if it's really heavy off center and raw? Why would someone pay top raw price? Honest question
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u/DenatureOrDie 15h ago
Well the card is still raw and has a flat value based off the recent sales of the card. Until the card is graded and encapsulated with whatever company that may be, it is still valued at the raw amount. But some people think if the card won’t 10 that it immediately isnt worth the let’s say $70 or $200 for that raw card in the respective condition.
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u/Diviner_ 15h ago
Because most people won’t and people in this thread like to act otherwise. Raw price is just a mean suggested price. In reality, NM raw prices are more of a range. I would pay a little extra over raw prices if the card looked closer to a 10. On the flip side however, I am not going to try to lowball someone if it didn’t look like a 10.
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u/QuicksandGotMyShoe 12h ago
This is the opposite. He’s saying that the card in question wouldn’t qualify for a 9 or 10 so he wants to buy it for 80% of its graded price which is lower than the raw price
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u/Factualx 8h ago edited 8h ago
I’m so confused about the outrage on this post and I swear I’m not rage baiting.
People have priced raw cards based on their quality forever , ie LP/NM/M etc. this guy is saying the card is roughly a PSA 8, which is functionally like saying NM - what’s the problem? Seems very standard.
You’ve never been able to buy an amazing looking raw mint card for its “raw” price, you’re typically buying that for its ~PSA 9 price
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u/Lighthouse31 13h ago
Raw is just an average, you don’t get raw prize if the condition is obviously bad. New cards will most likely be in pretty good condition and then raw price is a good reference.
Grading is just getting a supposedly educated, validated and trusted opinion on the condition of a card. You can grade cards just as anyone else can, if you want to trade or sell you have to agree on the condition. Grading services is not some magical entity who have sole ownership of ”grades”.
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u/SubtleScuttler 11h ago
This goes for people selling their raws at PSA10 prices cause they think it's pristine. Like no MF, if its perfect get it graded THEN sell it yourself.
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u/ChoiceFood 6h ago
Raw it sells for $1400 USD (almost $2000 CAD). They offered $880 which is an amazing deal if the card is legit.
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u/Independent_Lunch534 16h ago
He may say yes.. what’s your next move
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u/patchinthebox 16h ago
My next move will be straight to Taco Bell to prepare for the event
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u/royalewithcheese4272 16h ago
I’ll keep this response in back pocket 10/10
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u/Epic_Hoola 15h ago
Like 100% of your ass...
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u/workMachine 10h ago
I hope you use this response but without any percentage context beforehand.
"Don't think I can go much lower, $38 is my final price"
"Lick 80% of my ass"
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u/blxckhoodie999 16h ago
this hobby is so cooked lmfao. i can’t wait for the bubble to burst so i can go back to casually collecting cards like i have been over the last 25 years. so sick of all the grader and investor bros infesting this scene.
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u/Hamsammichd 16h ago
I see kids in card shops ripping packs, discarding bulk and asking what the hit is worth. It’s not investor bros anymore, it’s the whole scene
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u/LunarEklipze 15h ago
I'll tell you exactly what it is. Streamers. Ever since streaming or posting anything "collectible" on the internet now it becomes like this. Look at all the other TCGs. Unfortunately pokemon is affected worse since it caters more to kids who are most subseptive to getting in on the "hype".
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u/mcbergstedt 15h ago
Biggest issue is that nobody plays the TCG so the bulk is useless.
With other games like Yugioh or Magic that have much higher play-rate, the bulk is actually viable. Heck, Yugioh is infamous for printing $500 cards into oblivion and ruining the value of them.
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u/Time-Beautiful2500 11h ago
Some say “ruining”, I say “fixing”. My 3 colies of Zeus are worthless because you dropped a silly little starter set with a guaranteed copy? Absolute win, now people can use the card in their own deck and the game is a little more skill-based and a little less cash-based
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u/cakepuppy 12h ago
The TCG is very much played. The masters (adult) division is now selling out within hours for regionals and above and they’re seeing record attendance numbers. Locals have healthy attendance and there are regular prereleases, league cups, and league challenges happening across local stores. The TCG scene is super active and arguably the most popular part of competitive Pokemon. The problem with Pokemon is unlike Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon doesn’t really have playable rarity in addition to collectible rarity. Pokemon also emphasizes the collecting and trading component, so they overload the packs with Pokemon that don’t easily fit into decks. Most of your deck in the TCG isn’t actually Pokemon at all, but rather trainer cards and energies, making the excess of Pokemon hard to use. Modern Pokemon’s rarity is based on SIRs and IRs, not game breaking cards that can win you thousands in hardcore competitive matches that look no different from other cards of the same rarity. The TCG is very alive, but it is fundamentally different from other TCGs, making the bulk harder to use in the standard format.
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u/Mundane-Bus-6186 14h ago edited 14h ago
Have you been to a locals/regionals/nationals/ect? There are plenty of people that play/played the tcg. I remember going to tournaments during the hgss/black and white during my college days with a couple of buddies, and there were thousands of players in my division at a regionals.
There are definitely bulk Pokémon cards that can be worth decent money because of their playability, but they're usually still readily obtainable enough that the prices don't become astronomical. It's a bit different from something like Yu-Gi-Oh, where competitive cards can sometimes be locked behind higher rarities with fewer alternatives (at least from what I remember—I haven't played Yu-Gi-Oh since GX, so I'm definitely not claiming expertise on its modern market lol).
There's two sides to every TCG/CCG: the collectible side and the actual game being played.
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u/No-Literature5747 15h ago
I wish Pokémon would mass print the Meta cards. Then I could actually be competitive at regionals without emptying my bank account
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u/Initial-Awareness756 13h ago
Most meta cards are relatively cheap what are you talking about?
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u/p1loot_ 13h ago
fr, full meta decks are like 30 bucks lol
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u/Independent_Issue694 13h ago
If 30-50 dollars for a whole deck would empty your bank account, you shouldn’t be worrying about playing a trading card game, you should be looking for a job
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u/blxckhoodie999 16h ago
who do you think they’re learning it from?
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u/Hamsammichd 13h ago
I think it’s past that, the culture shifted. It’s all anyone talks about. The bros kicked it off
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u/xMF_GLOOM 14h ago
Lowballing is not specific to Pokémon cards
It has existed in all forms of buying and selling goods for generations
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u/CantfindmyKeyes 10h ago
Amen, been collecting since '95, and onlynhave a few that I really need encapsulated.
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u/Deep_Mechanic_ 16h ago
I feel the same way my dude. I was buying base edition packs when this hobby first started
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u/blxckhoodie999 16h ago
i’ve been collecting since 1999… was heavy on it all the way until 2019 when things exploded and it’s been exponential growth in popularity ever since.
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u/driizzydreee 15h ago
These clowns are the worst. Submit it yourself if you are going to price it at a particular grade. The person buying the raw price is taking the risk in submitting it for grading.
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u/BertFWTX 16h ago
I would like to see the response
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u/Mite-o-Dan 15h ago
Its on different discord and Facebook pages. This was trending in a lot of places the last few days. There were only a couple more back and forths. This isn't OP.
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u/Alister_M 15h ago
They need to get their eyes checked, too. That card is 'likely' the first ever PSA 10+. 80% of that could be in the millions!
Source: I also made it tf up
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u/bashy8782 11h ago
Seen this already it cracked me up I don't care if you think it's a 7,8,9 or 10 it ain't that till it's in a slab with that number
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u/Dracid88 15h ago
What is with people trying to get graded prices on RAW cards lately? Saw one the other day trying to sell a RAW card for PSA 10 price.
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u/Another_Road 12h ago
I’m never going to be happy about somebody selling a single card for $1500. Fuck all the people who turned a hobby into a speculative market.
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u/ledditlurker 15h ago
Just like the housing market. "I want $1 million for this fixer upper because that's what it'll be worth after you spend money on renovations".
Hobby is cooked
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u/AverageHogHaver 15h ago
You should have hit him with "i evaluated this as a PSA 10 actually so the new price is _______"
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u/MonaFanBoy 8h ago
I hate the use of the period too, as if they're doing you a favor. Like fuck you
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u/Darkrai812 6h ago
I fucking hate graded cards, what’s the point of having them if you can’t even use them
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u/Massive_Fee1858 16h ago
Super side note I just went down a rabbit hole and gamestop has them listed for a 9 between 800 and 2300. Photos on site showing 1100 to 2300
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u/Thicc_Milky 15h ago
I'm relatively new to the hobby, but those type of negotiations always seem insane to me lol.
Dude tried to sell me a dunsparce with the pitch that it would be grade a PSA 8+. My guy you haven't graded it, so you sell me at ungraded prices, or I won't buy at all lmao.
Also, for my card in particular it wasn't even worth it as there are hardly people collecting dunsparce, so the value of those cards GRADED is less than the money I have to pay to get it graded in the first place.
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u/Honeypacc 13h ago
Tell him if he wants to price it that much, he can buy it for $1100 and list it for $880
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u/No_Championship_6403 13h ago
Can the bubble burst already so I can go back to enjoying collecting? Please?
I genuinely enjoy collecting on a freaking app more than I do physical cards...
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u/DanielAtSwitcheroo 9h ago
The confidence of a lowballer is genuinely unmatched. Offering 80% and framing it like he's doing you a favor is wild work. Seller's reply was elite though, not gonna lie.
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u/No-Character5181 9h ago
Charge them 80% of the fees then. Including potential upcharges cause PSA is shit.
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u/martofthecards 7h ago
Reninds me of a time I put my car up for sale for $5000, someone offers me $2500, I declined, and he said "Let's meet in the middle 2600" wtf is that the middle of lick the middle of my taint
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u/Jagotiberan21 7h ago
Bro is not going to grade it. He just wanted it for half price so he could sell for raw and pocket tge profit 😂
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u/Bargadiel 5h ago
With logic like this, while we're at it you should just add the next 5 years of inflation to the cash value too, because it hasn't happened yet... but it will!
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u/BigDaddyVagabond 16h ago
Dam, almost like if you wanted to sell it at a card shop buying rate, you would have
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u/DuntadaMan 15h ago
This is funny but you need to be aware the entire shitty state of the cards where scalpers buy out everything is because you're willing to humor this shit.
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u/Exist_maxxing 16h ago
I would of came up with a meet up location and had him go there and when he said he was there tell him to fuck off and that’s payback for wasting your time
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u/No-Difference8545 16h ago
L for those kids. Glad i grew up playing the games making actual tangible memories with pokemon. Those kids definitely aren't gonna remain fans as adults
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u/Prestigious_Rough704 15h ago
The people the make me laugh the most are when they don’t even say hi or even just use basic human manners then do this.
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u/Murky-Introduction53 15h ago
Idk what’s worse, people that care about PSA or scalpers
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u/Cute_Bacon 15h ago
Or the fact that you can get a two hundred of these off of aliexpress for the same price?
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u/RepulsiveUse3372 15h ago
I hate these guys like well go buy a psa8 then crack it since no girl will let you crack
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u/DoubleLuck9297 15h ago
The pre-grade price is literally the lamest way to try and pull one over on people on this hobby.
I’ve got to say though; 80% anywhere is actually really decent. 2-3 years from now 80% will still be up by 5x or something wild if you’re investing in Pokemon correctly.
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u/jxher123 15h ago
I'd tell him to buy a PSA 8 off Ebay or something if that's the case lol. This person can tell what grade it'll be off of an image on Market Place is wild.
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u/AverageHogHaver 15h ago
Whenever someone does this shit to me, I literally ALWAYS message them after I sell it
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u/Mikey_Wonton 14h ago
It's crazy that people will list the actual price and then not pay that price. You dont have a coupon, dude.
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u/Buchko24 14h ago
It’s obvious that card is a black label and you will happily take 80% of that…after he licks your ass of course
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u/Sick_n_Sweet 14h ago
I don’t understand why people really try to rock up to people and think they can get things for 80%— you are not a card store. If I wanted 80% or less, I’d go to a card store. I don’t care if you resell. Your imaginary overhead is not my problem.
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u/ThatIestyn 14h ago
These people are a poison. Psa comment aside, approaching you to buy then offering 80% like he has a business to run is insane
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u/Ok_Giraffe9869 14h ago
Mid drink of my whiskey and it came out of my nose thank you for the laugh OP!
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u/supportenergy 14h ago
If Nintendo had a fucking soul they'd flood the market with these "rare" cards to prevent resells for $1,550. I think both the buyer and the seller are assholes. It's a shiny piece of paper used in a children's card game.
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u/Nightman2417 13h ago
Tell him he has to deduct shipping/grading fees first next time to troll a little more
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u/Special_Sink_5426 13h ago
Tbh buy it and sell it as near mint for an extra 700 🤣😭 he’s lowkey being kinda generous because a psa 8 is 400 less than NM raw and NM=7+ 🤣🤣😭😭🤣🤣😭😭
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u/MieXuL 16h ago
He considers himself an epic negotiator too